Diet and blood type

[anthrax]

At first I thought it was a joke, or another marketing scam/hype


But I heard some clever people, people I usualy listen to (among wich Spatts) talk about it

And absence of proof is not proof of absence but failure to analyse

So, do you have any interesting studies, links on this theory ?

 

[spatts]

There's not a lot out there, and what I do have isn't online, but I will see if I can get it scanned for you. It could be a total load of shit. I just happened to notice that all the people who seem to exist on protein like I do, and crash on carbs, are type O. It could just be the best coincidence ever. lol

 

[Deleted member 33117]

spatts there may be something to it, based on acnecdotal evidence. It would be nice if there were some actual research out there, but at this point most scientist are not going to expend grant $$$ to research this. It seems unlikely that protien markers (or lack there of in the case of type O) on red blood cells would greatly impact the effects of micronutrients on the body. However, because there is something of a trend between higher percantages of blood types amoung different races, there may be a correlation between energy/bodyfat etc of different diets based on an ethnic group's eating habits over the last few thousand years. However, I tend to go with meat/green veggie diets if we look at it from a diet history perspective, because until the last few thousand years that was the diet of humans, and really we haven't had time to properly adapt to alot of the foods we eat as sources of food, from an evolutionary perspective. As far as the validity of the blood type diet? At this point, we just don't know. One could try it, see if it works or not, and go on from there.

 

[spatts]

As I tried to explain to you in another thread, there's a LOT of research being done.

I agree on the meat and veggies. If someone made me meat and a green veggie 8 times a day, I'd eat only that.

 

[Deleted member 33117]

Good to hear, when they publish some peer reviews I'll DEFINATELY look at them. ALot of new weight loss information has come to light in the last few years since more research has been done on non-conventoinal dieting methods. Its really exciting actually. Scientists are actually testing everything from keto diets to the Zone diet, checking to see how calcium levels and dairy intake impact fat loss etc. Weight loss is now big business, so alot of grant $$$ are going into this area.

 

[Liftbig]

i think one of my training partners suscribes to the foods for your blood type stuff. it seems to work for him too, he has leaned up a bit over the last few months. so there is something to it imo.

 

[DBCooper]

Which one Liftbig?

 

[anthrax]

i think one of my training partners suscribes to the foods for your blood type stuff. it seems to work for him too, he has leaned up a bit over the last few months. so there is something to it imo.

In order to take conclusion from personal cases there should be epidemiologic studies on at least 10,000 people just as they are doing with vitamins, antioxidants etc

But neither the pharmaceutical industry nor the food industry would take much benefit from such a link between diet and blood type.....

 

[DBCooper]

Well I'm O+ and can eat steak all day and rarely fills me up, soon as I eat some potatoes/pasta or what ever I get full and sleeepppyy.

 

[Deleted member 33117]

DBCooper, high GI carbs put me to sleep as well. I'm slightly hypoglycemic though. Are you?

For me Dr. Pepper used to be a perfect sleeping pill.

 

[DBCooper]

Not sure, I have had my blood sugar/bp/heartrate checked before a meet and they were normal, at the time I was on 3cc's of Brovell T-200mg enanthate and had some coffee/ephedrine that morning. Guess I should have it checked again though.

 

[Liftbig]

Which one Liftbig?

the cursing swede, lol

 

[spatts]

You mean the aussie surfer with the speech impediment?

 

[Liftbig]

uhhhh... lol.. i think so.

 

[DBCooper]

Yeah, that one Spatts.

 

[spatts]

He's a hoot. I really liked talking to him. It was like a fun game trying to figure out what he was saying, and then trying not to fake the same accent when responding.

 

[RottenWillow]

I agree on the meat and veggies. If someone made me meat and a green veggie 8 times a day, I'd eat only that.

You've got to be kidding! If I ate like that I wouldnt have the strength to pump a curling iron.

On my low carb days I need at least 100g and on the higher days its 330g. It amazes me how different peoples' bodies can be.

Blood type not withstanding, it seems to suggest that bodies like mine are less efficient at storing energy than one's like spatts that can still exert a lot of power with so little carbs. Anyone know if there is any truth to this?

 

[Sassy69]

What I've read or learned about the blood type diet is that each blood type evolved during different stages of human development. Of course now I can't remember which goes with which, but one blood type, O, I guess, is the basic one, evolved when humans were primarily hunter/gatherer people. Then A and B evolved during the agricultural stages. So the diet matching each blood type goes along w/ the food tolerances / metabolic rates that were optimal based on the resources available.

It makes sense to me...

 

[Deleted member 33117]

You've got to be kidding! If I ate like that I wouldnt have the strength to pump a curling iron.

On my low carb days I need at least 100g and on the higher days its 330g. It amazes me how different peoples' bodies can be.

Blood type not withstanding, it seems to suggest that bodies like mine are less efficient at storing energy than one's like spatts that can still exert a lot of power with so little carbs. Anyone know if there is any truth to this?

It has less to do with body type than lifestyle. If you have eaten a high carb diet, with a fair amount of sugar, most of your life, your body naturally uses glucose as its primary fuel source. If you were to cut the carbs back considerably for 6 months or a year, it would be an entirely different story. I used to be the same way (to use myself as an example). I needed a ton of carbs to function. Now, I feel fine and perform optimally in the gym on usually no more than 20 grams a day. When I eat a large amount carbs, and greatly reduce fat intake, I feel slugish, and need more sleep to get by. I feel exactally like I did when I first tried a low carb diet years ago, except this time it is when I increase carbs and decrease fat intake that I feel like this.

You have trained your body to burn carbs for most activities, so clearly, it doesn't like its primary fuel supply being reducesd.

 

[RottenWillow]

If you were to cut the carbs back considerably for 6 months or a year, it would be an entirely different story

That would be a LOT of terrible workouts.

 

[spatts]

Depends on the person. I eat a 60% protein diet, and my workouts don't suffer at all. This is the oddity that a few of us experience and are trying to figure out.

 

[RottenWillow]

I eat a 60% protein diet, and my workouts don't suffer at all.

What are your protein sources? I'm wondering if that has any influence on your relative lack of need for carbs.

 

[spatts]

I eat a wide variety of proteins, and seem to react the same to all of them (milk, egg, casein, whey, chicken, beef, fish, pork, etc...). It's carbs that I react funny to. For example, oatmeal and sweet potatoes are fine, but rice and other grains knock me down for the count. As I once told Wilson6, if I want to take a two hour nap, all I have to do is eat a peanut butter and jelly sandwich. Toss in that Dr. Pepper that BBF mentioned, and I'm gonna be in a coma. lol

 

[woof]

Well, I am a type O and I actually have been trying to move towards a diet w/ less carbs. I have oatmeal for bfast and lean meat (chick, buffalo, beef, tuna, salmon) for the rest of my meals along w/ salads and lots of brocolli.

My question for y'all:
Don't you miss bread, pasta, potatoes, etc????? God, I love that stuff. Do the cravings for it ever go away? To be 100% honest, I would be perfectly content if I never ate another salad or vegetable again in my life! Meat is OK, but I could live the rest of my life on pizza alone. Sorry for the digression.

 

[spatts]

That's the thing...not only do I not like what it does to me, but I don't like it and don't crave it. I could go the rest of my life without pasta or potatoes and that would be just fine.

 

[Deleted member 33117]

Spatts, you may very well be hypoglycemic. It isn't like you need carbs to survive or even gain muscle mass. Too people people get caught up in the hype that they MUST have large amounts of carbs to gain muscle. Sure, you'll gain a little faster if you load up on them periodically, but they certainly are not required for growth in the body, or for health. Assuming one doesn't do a great deal of cardio, all of their glycogen needs could be supplied by a high protien intake. It isn't like the type of heavy training spatts does burns a huge amount of calories (which would greatly reduce glycogen stores) that must be replenished.

woof, sure I miss not eating pizza every day, its my favorite food, but do miss being fat, and having a horrible body. It comes down to what you really want.

 

[woof]

BBF, Oh I am with you for sure on that one - that is why I eat the meat and brocolli instead of the pizza!!!

And Spatts, I am envious of your dislike of carbs and love of meat and veggies. I was kind of hoping that if I weaned (sp?) myself off of the carbs that I eventually wouldn't crave them anymore.

I am in the middle of a cheat week since my racing season has just ended and was surprised to find that I really don't WANT most of the junk that I thought I was depriving myself of (mostly sweets). Unfortunately, I still crave pasta and bread. I try to make do by eating whole wheat pasta and making my own whole grain breads. Next week its back on the wagon! Gotta love the 3lb bags of brocolli at Costco!

 

[spatts]

Nope. Blood levels have been checked several different times and under different circumstances, and all is well.

 

[spatts]

It isn't like the type of heavy training spatts does burns a huge amount of calories (which would greatly reduce glycogen stores) that must be replenished.

Are you crazy?

lol

Come train with me sometime. Bring a snack.

 

[spatts]

...and yes, you do need carbs to grow efficiently, and you can't burn fat without carbs either.

 

[valerie]

Great points all, I find it useful to have a certain amount of starchy carbs in my diet. The oats and sweet potatoes work well for me. It is really a matter of balance. I'm an O type as well. I keep my carbs around 50-120 depending on what day it is. By keeping a small amount in on a daily basis really keeps the cravings out.

 

[Playmate Sky]

Iam following the blood type diet at this time. I have been on it for 5 weeks. Results are awesome. I wasnt doing so well at first so my nutrionist and trainer pin pointed the problem. I was having a 1/2 c. of oats every morning. Now I rarely have them because they were setting me back due to a carb overload in the a.m. and during the day the only carbs I have are green veggies.
So far I lost 3/12 % b/f and I will be cjecked again next week. My muscles are coming out so strong. My only problem is that I really need to increase cardio so I have made it a goal to do so. I am a model preparing for a photo shoot so it has been a lot of focus for me and I cannot wait to eat a taco or something good for a change. lol

Sky

 

[anthrax]

And what should a A+ type eat ?

I have found that eating carbs could also make me feel asleep when taken at noon

When I have a carb rich breakfast it is usually OK

 

[spatts]

If you go to pubmed and look for glyconutrients, you can find some of the studies being done.

 

[bignate73]

So far I lost 3/12 % b/f and I will be cjecked again next week. Sky

3/12%?

tell me thats a typo. you mean 3 1/2% as in 3.5 or 3/12(or 1/4) as in .25.

if its 3/12, i would rethink whether you feel its working. for 5 weeks, thats not alot of bodyfat. now if its 3.5% then you are cookin.

whats your ht/wt?

 

[anthrax]

Basically,


* Type A types
should basically stick to fruits and zvegetables (high carbs / low fat).
They have thicker blood than other blood types, a sensitive immune system, and should not consume dairy products, animal fats and meats.
Hey, what's that crap ? I can't eat meat !?
They are at a heightened risk for cardiovascular disease, diabetes and cancer.

* Type B types
should consume a balanced diet (fruits and vegetables, grains, fish, dairy, meat, but avoid chicken).
They have the best chance of bypassing or overcoming everyday types of diseases, including heart disease and cancer.

* Type AB types
should consume a mostly vegetarian diet, and only on rare occasions some
fish, meat (no chicken), and dairy.

* Type O types
should basically stick to a high protein diet (including red meat), low carbs, and
enriched with fruits and vegetables. They should limit the intake of wheat germ, whole wheat products, corn, and avoid dairy products and most nuts.
Type O types are commonly affected with hypothyroidism, high stomach acid
(leading to ulcers), and thinner blood with greater resistance to blood clotting.

based on Peter D'Adamo's research

 

[Liftbig]

* Type B types
should consume a balanced diet (fruits and vegetables, grains, fish, dairy, meat, but avoid chicken).
They have the best chance of bypassing or overcoming everyday types of diseases, including heart disease and cancer.

thats interesting. where did you find this information? i want to read more about it. lol, im getting sick of chicken anyways.

 

[spatts]

liftbig, that's from the Eat Right For Your Type book. If you want some other info on the studies going on, just go to pubmed. That one book hardly encompasses all the research being done.

 

[anthrax]

thats interesting. where did you find this information? i want to read more about it. lol, im getting sick of chicken anyways.

from here

But, as spatts said, you'd better look for more accute info on pubmed