Did you know that Iran could...

[pin]

or anybody could destroy the US with one nuke.

Its called a high altitude nuclear detonation.

If a container ship carrying one nuke fired a missile 50 miles over the eastern seaboard and midwest and detonated it even though the blast would be useless the electro magnetic pulse would permenantly fry every nonmilitary operating electrical system within range.

Power grids, computers, cars, your watch, you name it would be done forever.

no transportation means no food. The police, emt's, rescue workes would would be useless.

Hurricane Katrina showed that without order society rapidly decays into barbarism. Looters, rapists, gang bangers would have a field day.

It would take a decade to recover. That is if we ever recovered.

I wonder if Iran knows.

 

[gotmilk]

Thanks for telling them......

 

[the_clockwork]

lolol you're beyond an idiot.. and jfk was murdered by his own government and 9/11 was done by the government?

 

[Raptorex]

I think you have mistaken Israel for the US.

 

[pin]

lolol you're beyond an idiot.. and jfk was murdered by his own government and 9/11 was done by the government?

Please explian.

 

[pin]

I think you have mistaken Israel for the US.

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Electromagnetic_pulse

 

[Razorguns]

Why? What do they gain?

Nothing. Nukes are great for keeping foreign soldiers off your shore - nothing more.

No one gains by actually launching one!

r

 

[pin]

Why? What do they gain?

Nothing. Nukes are great for keeping foreign soldiers off your shore - nothing more.

No one gains by actually launching one!

r

Unless you are of goverment run by global cult bent on the destruction of "the infedels" to get Allah to come.

 

[redsamurai]

Why? What do they gain?

Nothing. Nukes are great for keeping foreign soldiers off your shore - nothing more.

No one gains by actually launching one!

r

wow.......finally someobody that get's it. Bravo ole boy..........you might be the only one here at EF, besides me of course, that understands that nuance of the worlds geopolitical structure. Nukes bring you to the big boys table..........and that is all. It's all a giant bluff. What the fuck do you think would happen to Iran.........or the whole Mid east.......if they detonated a nuke in the states? Everything Muslims hold dear would evaporate in a nuclear cloud OVERNIGHT!! The persians are NOT that stupid.

 

[pin]

Plus I'm not saying that this is going to happen or that it will necessarily be Iran. Just that it could.

 

[pin]

wow.......finally someobody that get's it. Bravo ole boy..........you might be the only one here at EF, besides me of course, that understands that nuance of the worlds geopolitical structure. Nukes bring you to the big boys table..........and that is all. It's all a giant bluff. What the fuck do you think would happen to Iran.........or the whole Mid east.......if they detonated a nuke in the states? Everything Muslims hold dear would evaporate in a nuclear cloud OVERNIGHT!! The persians are NOT that stupid.

I hope you're right. But then again if the most powerful nation in the world was on your doorstep what would you do?

 

[redsamurai]

I hope you're right. But then again if the most powerful nation in the world was on your doorstep what would you do?

they'll threaten it sure. More likely they would throw a nuke at Israel or at our troops.

 

[pin]

they'll threaten it sure. More likely they would throw a nuke at Israel or at our troops.

Or just go for the whole enchilada.

 

[samoth]

If a container ship carrying one nuke fired a missile 50 miles over the eastern seaboard and midwest and detonated it even though the blast would be useless the electro magnetic pulse would permenantly fry every nonmilitary operating electrical system within range.

Power grids, computers, cars, your watch, you name it would be done forever.

I doubt it. Disruption, sure. Total and complete destruction of all electical equipment? Ehh...

 

[redsamurai]

Or just go for the whole enchilada.

again, I think the threat of complete extinction of not only themselves but the nations of Islam as a whole........just not worth it. Especially seeing as how Iraq has shown people how to beat the U.S. You just retreat into your population and conduct a protracted guerilla war. Imagine if two or three countries right now decided to fuck with the U.S. We would "HAVE" to use some sort of tactical nuclear device. That however would ruin us on the world stage permanently. It's kind of scary where our brazenly incompetent foreign policy has led us to.

 

[pin]

again, I think the threat of complete extinction of not only themselves but the nations of Islam as a whole........just not worth it. Especially seeing as how Iraq has shown people how to beat the U.S. You just retreat into your population and conduct a protracted guerilla war. Imagine if two or three countries right now decided to fuck with the U.S. We would "HAVE" to use some sort of tactical nuclear device. That however would ruin us on the world stage permanently. It's kind of scary where our brazenly incompetent foreign policy has led us to.

So? 4000 US soldiers dead + 600,000 Iraqis dead (by some estimates)= beating the US? I don't get it.

But I do agree that the US using any kind of nuke on anyone would be a global political nightmare for us.

 

[Crocodome]

so what do you plan to do?

 

[redsamurai]

I doubt it. Disruption, sure. Total and complete destruction of all electical equipment? Ehh...

this would be the man to ask. They'd have to light off one of the Russians mothers to accomplish that task wouldn't they? Nothing the Iranians are going to make in the next 100 years could pack the punch necessary to fry all that circuitry.

 

[chazk]

owning a nuclear bomb is like the ultimate penis extention for any nations leader...i bet you could get some major pussy just flashing a warhead around and telling a chicks you could blow up a nation...

 

[dabuffguy]

So? 4000 US soldiers dead + 600,000 Iraqis dead (by some estimates)= beating the US? I don't get it.

But I do agree that the US using any kind of nuke on anyone would be a global political nightmare for us.

nuking is bad news. I hope it never happens because as soon as one person does, somebody else will in retaliation, which will make other people join in on the bomb fest, and the whole world will be in total destruction within a few months. Not the world we thought our children would inherit.

 

[pin]

so what do you plan to do?

Nothing really. What can I do? I am building a 60' radio tower w/ a windmill so I'll always have juice. I live in a reletively remote area so I hope we'll be OK if something crazy ever does go down.

 

[javaguru]

Lol..at Iran developing a nuke and being able to deploy it at that level...we'll have lasers in orbit that will pre-emptively strike before that's a possibility.....baring that....I'm sure the fact they would be living on a glass parking lot might make them reconsider.
No nations state can attack the US without being eliminated...we invented nuclear holocaust.

 

[Lumberg]

If the people that really wanted to do so, could, they would have done it already.

 

[nimbus]

It's all a giant bluff. What the fuck do you think would happen to Iran.........or the whole Mid east.......if they detonated a nuke in the states? Everything Muslims hold dear would evaporate in a nuclear cloud OVERNIGHT!! The persians are NOT that stupid.

what if whoever was in charge sincerely believed that he and everyone he cared about was going to heaven anyway?

 

[Jacob Creutzfeldt]

what if whoever was in charge sincerely believed that he and everyone he cared about was going to heaven anyway?

Do the Iranian leaders truly believe that? Iran is a very secular, modern society from what I can gather.

 

[nimbus]

Do the Iranian leaders truly believe that? Iran is a very secular, modern society from what I can gather.

I have no idea, I've never been to iran. you are probably right; most of the persian people i know are not very religious. Maybe it is a different religious climate in the homeland though

 

[pin]

I have no idea, I've never been to iran. you are probably right; most of the persian people i know are not very religious. Maybe it is a different religious climate in the homeland though

I'm sure the Iranian people are very reasonable. A high school friend of mine married an Iranian guy. He's got a pretty good head on his shoulders.

It has more to do with the people in power. I mean look at us for example. The US people for the most part have a pretty good bead on things. But look at our government. Like they listen to what we want.

I think power corupts.

 

[redsamurai]

what if whoever was in charge sincerely believed that he and everyone he cared about was going to heaven anyway?

but they still hold places like mecca sancrosanct.

 

[Spartacus]

we should detonate a nuke in the sahara desert
to see if the glass forms
and send a message

 

[jaybois]

M A D

 

[the_alcatraz]

or anybody could destroy the US with one nuke.

Its called a high altitude nuclear detonation.

If a container ship carrying one nuke fired a missile 50 miles over the eastern seaboard and midwest and detonated it even though the blast would be useless the electro magnetic pulse would permenantly fry every nonmilitary operating electrical system within range.

Power grids, computers, cars, your watch, you name it would be done forever.

no transportation means no food. The police, emt's, rescue workes would would be useless.

Hurricane Katrina showed that without order society rapidly decays into barbarism. Looters, rapists, gang bangers would have a field day.

It would take a decade to recover. That is if we ever recovered.

I wonder if Iran knows.

It's funny how Israel is always too scared of everyone in this world. LOL. Amusing.

1- Iran doesnt have nukes. They don't have that technology. How do I know? I'm from the middleeast and we're not that technologically advanced.

2- Iran isn't stupid to get itself involved in a war with the most powerful country in the world, financially, militarily and technologically - USA

3- Nukes are for cold wars. No one will think of using nukes, although they might threaten with em. But then next time someone uses a nuke, it's
WWIII and then end of the world as we know it.

 

[the_alcatraz]

Lol..at Iran developing a nuke and being able to deploy it at that level...we'll have lasers in orbit that will pre-emptively strike before that's a possibility.....baring that....I'm sure the fact they would be living on a glass parking lot might make them reconsider.
No nations state can attack the US without being eliminated...we invented nuclear holocaust.

by the time Iran builds a nuke, everyone else in the world will be living on Mars.

 

[the_alcatraz]

Do the Iranian leaders truly believe that? Iran is a very secular, modern society from what I can gather.

Iran is a racist radical muslim country. I know because I'm a sunni muslim and Iranians are either persians or shi3a muslims. Shi3a muslims in Iran are mostly fanatics that give muslims a bad name. Sunni muslims are peaceful.

 

[mountain muscle]

Iran is a racist radical muslim country. I know because I'm a sunni muslim and Iranians are either persians or shi3a muslims. Shi3a muslims in Iran are mostly fanatics that give muslims a bad name. Sunni muslims are peaceful.

Isn't Bin Hindin' a Sunni? He seems peaceful enough. Saddam was a Sunni too. He seems, well seemed like a cool guy who likes to party too.

 

[nimbus]

Why? What do they gain?

Nothing. Nukes are great for keeping foreign soldiers off your shore - nothing more.

No one gains by actually launching one!

r

they gain the ability to do what they want with some degree of impunity. What established nation is going to invade a country with nukes?

 

[the_alcatraz]

Isn't Bin Hindin' a Sunni? He seems peaceful enough. Saddam was a Sunni too. He seems, well seemed like a cool guy who likes to party too.

Bin Laden PRETENDS to be a sunni. He's not. Bin laden was trained by the USA btw....if you would check your history. He's definately not a sunni but he pretends to be.

Saddam wasn't a bad leader....he was just bad with the shi3as and the kurds in hsi country

 

[Kano]

i am moving to the north pole

 

[the_alcatraz]

i am moving to the north pole

Say hello to Santa for me. and ask him wtf happened to the nintendo that I was supposed to get 21 years ago?

 

[mountain muscle]

Bin Laden PRETENDS to be a sunni. He's not. Bin laden was trained by the USA btw....if you would check your history. He's definately not a sunni but he pretends to be.

Saddam wasn't a bad leader....he was just bad with the shi3as and the kurds in hsi country

I know the history just fine thanks dear. We supplied and helped during the russian invasion of afghanistan. What does that have to do with anything? I am certain he learned his beliefs from us lmao.

Saddam was great, He killed more muslims than we could ever hope to kill.

 

[the_alcatraz]

I know the history just fine thanks dear. We supplied and helped during the russian invasion of afghanistan. What does that have to do with anything? I am certain he learned his beliefs from us lmao.

Saddam was great, He killed more muslims than we could ever hope to kill.

Saddam was a good leader. A dictator, but a good leader. He kept his country under military order.

BinLaden's an idiot...and lol @ you picking BinLaden to prove that muslims are terrorists....

 

[mountain muscle]

Saddam was a good leader. A dictator, but a good leader. He kept his country under military order.

BinLaden's an idiot...and lol @ you picking BinLaden to prove that muslims are terrorists....

Wait, who said I have to prove muslims are terrorists?

They make a pretty convincing argument on their own.

Besides, I was refuting your claim the sunnis are peaceful. It's okay, I would be uncomfortable and try to deflect the topic if I were a muslim too bro.

 

[the_alcatraz]

Wait, who said I have to prove muslims are terrorists?

They make a pretty convincing argument on their own.

Besides, I was refuting your claim the sunnis are peaceful. It's okay, I would be uncomfortable and try to deflect the topic if I were a muslim too bro.

Dude, I'm not even going to try to explain shit to you about how the media has distorted your mind and crap...you can think whatever...I dnt give a shit really...

 

[mountain muscle]

Ahhh how cute, a bomb from a muslim.

How original.

 

[mountain muscle]

Dude, I'm not even going to try to explain shit to you about how the media has distorted your mind and crap...you can think whatever...I dnt give a shit really...

Is that why you bombed me? because you don't give a shit? lol. The media hasn't distorted anything. I can see the facts. Also I chat regularly with a muslim friend of mine in Kuwait and gain his insight and knowledge as well as doing research on my own.

I won't even try to explain to you how your religion has distorted your mind and why your religion is the cause of your culture's stagnancy.

 

[the_alcatraz]

Ahhh how cute, a bomb from a muslim.

How original.

Too bad it's not a real homemade bomb you racist pig

 

[mountain muscle]

Too bad it's not a real homemade bomb you racist pig

Psst, muslim isn't a race.

This is exactly this type of response I would expect from a muslim. Are you going to declare a jihad on me now? Maybe issue a fatwa?

 

[pin]

It's funny how Israel is always too scared of everyone in this world. LOL. Amusing.

1- Iran doesnt have nukes. They don't have that technology. How do I know? I'm from the middleeast and we're not that technologically advanced.

2- Iran isn't stupid to get itself involved in a war with the most powerful country in the world, financially, militarily and technologically - USA

3- Nukes are for cold wars. No one will think of using nukes, although they might threaten with em. But then next time someone uses a nuke, it's
WWIII and then end of the world as we know it.

1. If the entire mid east wanted to exterminate you, you wouldn't be scared?

2.They are pursueing the tech. And who needs to when they can be bought.

3. Iran doesn't have to "be stupid enough to get involved". They're prettymuch surrounded. They my not have a choice.

4. A nuclear exchange from a smaller state or between 2 smaller states does not nessesarily mean global nuclear holocaust.

If low yield tactical nukes were used on a battle field. The global political scene would be chaos. But it doesn't mean responsible nations are going to start flinging 20 kiloton city killers around just because of a nuclear terrorist attack or a preemptive strike. But they could. Who knows?

 

[pin]

Psst, muslim isn't a race.

It's is exactly this type of response I would expect from a muslim. Are you going to declare a jihad on me now? Maybe issue a fatwa?

Waaaaaaah. I didn't get my way!!! Your grandpa was mean to my grandpa!!! You said muslims are violent. I guess I'll just kill all of the unbelievers.

 

[pin]

this would be the man to ask. They'd have to light off one of the Russians mothers to accomplish that task wouldn't they? Nothing the Iranians are going to make in the next 100 years could pack the punch necessary to fry all that circuitry.

So Iran has less access to technology than america and russia had over 60 years ago when nukes didn't even exsist? hhmm...

 

[Lumberg]

The US people for the most part have a pretty good bead on things.

Stop it! You're killing me!

 

[pin]

Stop it! You're killing me!

I said for the most part.

 

[redsamurai]

So Iran has less access to technology than america and russia had over 60 years ago when nukes didn't even exsist? hhmm...

what I meant was that Iran would have to make a bomb the size of the biggest russian one to generate that kind of pulse wave. And you're trippin balls if you think Iran is anywhere near not only making one of those, but being able to loft it in the air. I guess people with physics/engineering background understand the magnitude of that technology better. With all the dirt cheap and powerful circuitry out there, only a select few countries can even develop conventional (non nuclear) cruise missiles let alone intercontinental nukes. Even the chinese, who have to resort to stealing our missile tech.......are still a ways away from matching the U.S and russian in missile technology.

 

[Jacob Creutzfeldt]

Iran is a racist radical muslim country. I know because I'm a sunni muslim and Iranians are either persians or shi3a muslims. Shi3a muslims in Iran are mostly fanatics that give muslims a bad name. Sunni muslims are peaceful.

What is the difference between a Shia and Sunni muslim? Is it doctrinal? I think I have read that Shia are not taught to read the Quoran themselves and that the word of their religious leaders are the gospel (sorry for the Christianity allusion) much like Catholics subjugate to the Pope. Are there different sects of Shia and Sunni? Please correct me where I am wrong and inform me where you can as this is an area of interest to me and I hate to be ignorant.

 

[mountain muscle]

What is the difference between a Shia and Sunni muslim? Is it doctrinal? I think I have read that Shia are not taught to read the Quoran themselves and that the word of their religious leaders are the gospel (sorry for the Christianity allusion) much like Catholics subjugate to the Pope. Are there different sects of Shia and Sunni? Please correct me where I am wrong and inform me where you can as this is an area of interest to me and I hate to be ignorant.

Mostly it has to do with who has leadership after Momo died.
The Sunnis killed Ali. One of 4 descendants of momo.


The whole thing is amusing really. I can't talk about muslims but alcy thinks it is okay for them to kill themselves. the "religion of peace" is laughable at best, the brainwashed followers should be pitied.

 

[Jacob Creutzfeldt]

Mostly it has to do with who has leadership after Momo died.
The Sunnis killed Ali. One of 4 descendants of momo.


The whole thing is amusing really. I can't talk about muslims but alcy thinks it is okay for them to kill themselves. the "religion of peace" is laughable at best, the brainwashed followers should be pitied.

I'm not sure I read 'brainwashed' when I read posts from Alcatraz. When he's responding to insults hurled at his faith, he responds in a very defensive fashion much like many people will when you question or poke fun at something that is the cornerstone of their identity. If Muslims were inherently suicidal, the religion wouldn't last very long nor have the capacity to maintain a total population of 1.2 or so billion people.

I live in a city where a storefront mosque is 2 doors down from a Christian coffeehouse. No problems ever occur between the two that I am aware of. I think the violence attributed to religious hatred is often political hatred using religion as the rationalization for expression.

 

[pin]

what I meant was that Iran would have to make a bomb the size of the biggest russian one to generate that kind of pulse wave. And you're trippin balls if you think Iran is anywhere near not only making one of those, but being able to loft it in the air. I guess people with physics/engineering background understand the magnitude of that technology better. With all the dirt cheap and powerful circuitry out there, only a select few countries can even develop conventional (non nuclear) cruise missiles let alone intercontinental nukes. Even the chinese, who have to resort to stealing our missile tech.......are still a ways away from matching the U.S and russian in missile technology.

So the US is invincable huh?

And were does Iran get its weapons? Its Missiles? Its radar stations? Its anti ship missiles? Or any of its hardware?

Care to take a guess?

 

[the_alcatraz]

What is the difference between a Shia and Sunni muslim? Is it doctrinal? I think I have read that Shia are not taught to read the Quoran themselves and that the word of their religious leaders are the gospel (sorry for the Christianity allusion) much like Catholics subjugate to the Pope. Are there different sects of Shia and Sunni? Please correct me where I am wrong and inform me where you can as this is an area of interest to me and I hate to be ignorant.

The teachnigs in modern day islam are different. Long ago, they were one. There was sunni islam. Then some Islamic people decided to perceive things diff and made a sect called shi3a. They continued to evolve and became something that gives a general overall bad name for Islam. Not that they are all bad, just a lot of them seem to get themselves on the news, i.e. political leaders and madmen who want to blow shit up, i.e. Hizbollah is shi3a, Iran's president is shi3a, the rule in Iraq right now is Shi3a, they all present a bad name for islam.

Sunni believe in the word of the quoran. A tale from the Muslim prophet Mohamad states that he had a jewish neighbor that he used to see everyday when he took out the trash. One day, he didnt see his jewish neighbor at that time. so he visited him and found out he was sick. he helped him to teach the muslim people respect and love for their neighbor.

What you see in the media is in fact distorted. Muslim religion is not what the fanatics like bin laden and hizbollah portray. they're idiots. I dnt hate the jews or christians. i love everyone and so does every true muslim.

 

[the_alcatraz]

I'm not sure I read 'brainwashed' when I read posts from Alcatraz. When he's responding to insults hurled at his faith, he responds in a very defensive fashion much like many people will when you question or poke fun at something that is the cornerstone of their identity. If Muslims were inherently suicidal, the religion wouldn't last very long nor have the capacity to maintain a total population of 1.2 or so billion people.

I live in a city where a storefront mosque is 2 doors down from a Christian coffeehouse. No problems ever occur between the two that I am aware of. I think the violence attributed to religious hatred is often political hatred using religion as the rationalization for expression.

This is why I get defensive:

Did you know that Iran ... 24-Apr-2008 08:50 PM mountain muscle Are there? tell your own ignorant sheep that then. Until then I will support killing every muslim bitch. You brainwashed fucks csn't even agree amonst yourselves. Try something new and think for yourself idiot.

This is the ignorance that i get and the hatred. wtf did i ever do to mountain muscle to offend him to get this shit?

i try to ignore those sorta comments as i've been advised by wise and friendly people on this board, but too much is too much.

 

[the_alcatraz]

Mostly it has to do with who has leadership after Momo died.
The Sunnis killed Ali. One of 4 descendants of momo.


The whole thing is amusing really. I can't talk about muslims but alcy thinks it is okay for them to kill themselves. the "religion of peace" is laughable at best, the brainwashed followers should be pitied.

Your posts just show you're ignorant. The sunnis did not kill Ali - he's related to the prophet, i.e. high reverance and respect by all sunni and shi3as. However, the shi3as have took it among themselves to blame ali's death on the sunni and they started the split. thats the real story. get your info straight.

 

[pin]

Your posts just show you're ignorant. The sunnis did not kill Ali - he's related to the prophet, i.e. high reverance and respect by all sunni and shi3as. However, the shi3as have took it among themselves to blame ali's death on the sunni and they started the split. thats the real story. get your info straight.

So what you are saying is, Muslims didn't really fly planes into buildings, muslims all over europe and the arab world didn't really cheer because of 911, muslims really aren't suicide boming people, muslims aren't really bombing each other, muslims didn't bomb trains in spain, etc, etc?

Just so I'm understnding you correctly.

 

[JayC9]

I'm not sure I read 'brainwashed' when I read posts from Alcatraz. When he's responding to insults hurled at his faith, he responds in a very defensive fashion much like many people will when you question or poke fun at something that is the cornerstone of their identity. If Muslims were inherently suicidal, the religion wouldn't last very long nor have the capacity to maintain a total population of 1.2 or so billion people.

I live in a city where a storefront mosque is 2 doors down from a Christian coffeehouse. No problems ever occur between the two that I am aware of. I think the violence attributed to religious hatred is often political hatred using religion as the rationalization for expression.

the islamic system of brainwashing is obviously more complete than the christian system, they use similar techniques however islam has far more control over their community

 

[the_alcatraz]

So what you are saying is, Muslims didn't really fly planes into buildings, muslims all over europe and the arab world didn't really cheer because of 911, muslims really aren't suicide boming people, muslims aren't really bombing each other, muslims didn't bomb trains in spain, etc, etc?

Just so I'm understnding you correctly.

Israel has attacked Lebanon a couple of times and cause several genocides killing hundred or women and children for no reason at all. Are all jews murderers and rapists? no. just like some muslims (per say - not true muslims) have made it their purpose to be fanatic and explode shit up, doesnt mean we're all like that. I have nothing against you as just cause you're Israeli, but when you attack muslims, I can easily attack Israelis.

 

[javaguru]

Israel has attacked Lebanon a couple of times and cause several genocides killing hundred or women and children for no reason at all. Are all jews murderers and rapists? no. just like some muslims (per say - not true muslims) have made it their purpose to be fanatic and explode shit up, doesnt mean we're all like that. I have nothing against you as just cause you're Israeli, but when you attack muslims, I can easily attack Israelis.

I think Israel has the trump card when it comes to being attacked; They were bum rushed by five Arab nations right before the British mandate ended in 1948,Six Day War,and Yom Kippur?

 

[Mavafanculo]

You cant judge a religion or any group because of its worst / radical members.

Christian fetus-fanatics bomb abortion clinics and kill abortion doctors. Should all Christians be lumped in with them?

everybodys had their say here. next ferris wheel.