did tren tranform your body?

[cobracock1979]

Good carbs are important pre and post workout. But I wouldnt eat em any other time. A cup of oats in the am or something like that is ok, but other than that what I find that works best for me is high protein, moderate fats (good fats aka olives, nuts, natty peanut butter etc.) and lower carbs (good carbs only). Not sure how much you weigh, but 2-2.5 g of protein per lb body weight and if you figure out your bmr you know where to work with in terms of calories. Your split and content sound pretty good, i would lower the carbs tho.

Hey Bros,

Eric - Im on a Keto diet its workin great. Only carbs I have is 15g oats PWO+vegetables. I eat a lot of good fats (ie nuts) and monitor ketosis with ketostics. I gained about 9lbs lean muscle in 5 weeks + dropped a lot of fat.

Sayin that, I had been on a bulking diet I gues I would have gained 20lbs!

For anyone interested, here is another update pic. 5 days from the last one.

http://i25.tinypic.com/6z3i1z.jpg

I I reckon I gotta be under 12% BF - Any takers? LOL

 

[drsketch]

Yeah cobra your looking good.. Looks like a little lower belly fat? Ill post some pics in another 3-4 weeks.

 

[Cal_21]

I ran Tren w/ Test P for 22 weeks. Added almost 50 kilos to my total. Also went down a weigh class.

Below is 1 yr diff. I ran Tren for the majority of the year, and DO NOT eat clean EVER. I stay around 3500-4000 cals a day dfuring the week and closer to 6k on the weekends.

I typically run it at 50mg/day for 4 weeks, 75mg/day for 4 weeks, 100mg/day for 4 weeks, and then stop taking it for 5-8 weeks.

I stay on Test.

God damn. Amazing progress.

 

[cobracock1979]

God damn. Amazing progress.

Haha, Yeah bro, A little lower belly fat but its comin off fast! Ill try and get one with better lighting. lookin forward to your pics bro

 

[Crysis6]

Heres some newer pics from during the week. This was middle of week 5 Tren/Sust/EQ.

 

[cobracock1979]

Heres some newer pics from during the week. This was middle of week 5 Tren/Sust/EQ.

Awesome bro - different body since the last ones!

 

[drsketch]

Haha, Yeah bro, A little lower belly fat but its comin off fast! Ill try and get one with better lighting. lookin forward to your pics bro

Yeah im still fatty but its coming off..

 

[Crysis6]

Thanks bro... workin my ass off and trying to keep the diet clean as possible. Still got another 9 weeks left of the sust and EQ too. Tren run is almost over tho.

 

[theblondebomber]

Heres some newer pics from during the week. This was middle of week 5 Tren/Sust/EQ.

now thats more like it.looking good bro!

 

[Crysis6]

Definitely feeling good to hear that, and to see the results. When you are looking every day it gets harder to notice, so getting good feedback always helps. Still got a ways to go...but I have to figure out whether I should just go the 6 weeks I planned to with the tren and let the sust and EQ do its thing for the remaining 10, or if I should pop another ace and run that for 3 more weeks. I think maybe Ill save it for the next one and cruise with 500mg sust and 400mg eq. The eq is only just starting to kick in, so Im sure now that Ive "transformed" my body structure, the sust and eq should do some justice.

 

[P4D2A022]

you gonna taper off the tren bro? im wondering if i should

 

[Crysis6]

Still deciding how I wanna play it. Its the same thing everyone goes through, dont wanna run it too long this time around, but i dont want to have to wait so long before next time. haha I think Im gonna just stay disciplined, stick to what I planned originally, and save these two vials of ace for the next run. I still got plenty to go with the EQ and Sust...so we'll see how it goes. Im very pleased where its taken me now, and I know when I start doing my HIIT deal a few times a week Ill be right where I wanna be. Since Ive been doing the ace, hex, enth mix..the prop will be gone but Ill still have it in my system from the hex and enth. Since you've been running ace you can go a couple more weeks..

 

[P4D2A022]

gotcha. what is hiit though? something to do w cardio?

 

[EricG]

gotcha. what is hiit though? something to do w cardio?

high intensity interval training.

 

[Crysis6]

Exactly, its basically walking or light jogging for 60-90 seconds, followed by high intensity springs for 30 seconds...on and off like that for 20-30 minutes. Supposedly doesnt eat muscle, and will be good for my stamina for football anyway. Im at the point now where it will take a little cardio to really cut down bf to about 8% where I would like it to be, and my strength gains are still rising... banged out my max 3 times more than last time. Woulda gone up more but had nobody there to spot me. Im starting to get real happy now, and it seems now that my bf was getting cut and lbm was gaining I was kind of at a weight plateau. Last couple of days I went up another 3 lbs with no water bloat.

 

[jagerbombme]

Heres some newer pics from during the week. This was middle of week 5 Tren/Sust/EQ.

you are looking dry for being on sust. dude, you look right there man, 12% ish, i don't see your abs, but i think your body type is the type that abs won't show until your shredded.

for cobracock, bro i seriously think your 13-15%, you have some fat in your handles, i know they arent sticking out but it's there bro, and as someone else put you have lower belly fat also sitting there. not trying to ridicule, just giving my opinion from a pic. keep at it though, your close man, abs are showing bro. it's a great feeling. mine have never shown and they are popping in a little.

 

[Crysis6]

Yeah..I think the tren and eq has been keeping me real dry, that and Ive avoided any kind of salt and running an AI throughout. Also I think splitting up shots eod has giving me less bloat than in the past when shooting twice a week. Gotta really start hitting up abs, i tend to get lazy with that at the end of a workout after I killed myself. They are coming in, just gonna take some extra work to get em where Id like.

 

[P4D2A022]

Exactly, its basically walking or light jogging for 60-90 seconds, followed by high intensity springs for 30 seconds...on and off like that for 20-30 minutes. Supposedly doesnt eat muscle, and will be good for my stamina for football anyway. Im at the point now where it will take a little cardio to really cut down bf to about 8% where I would like it to be, and my strength gains are still rising... banged out my max 3 times more than last time. Woulda gone up more but had nobody there to spot me. Im starting to get real happy now, and it seems now that my bf was getting cut and lbm was gaining I was kind of at a weight plateau. Last couple of days I went up another 3 lbs with no water bloat.

thats interesting. didnt know that. thanks bro

 

[mrperfect]

You are ficken kidding me. Looking at those pics it doesn't look you take anything nor should even consider taking anything. You are not even in shape. Dude, what is your diet like? Do you drink alcohol?

 

[jagerbombme]

You are ficken kidding me. Looking at those pics it doesn't look you take anything nor should even consider taking anything. You are not even in shape. Dude, what is your diet like? Do you drink alcohol?

who are you talking about?

 

[al420]

You are ficken kidding me. Looking at those pics it doesn't look you take anything nor should even consider taking anything. You are not even in shape. Dude, what is your diet like? Do you drink alcohol?

He is leaner than me, but at my last meet there wasn't anyone handing out trophys for being lean. Just for best total, and best in each lift. It was an Oly meet, so just Clean & Jerk and Snatch.

BB's have a funny outlook on PED's. Not everyone wants to put on his sisters panties and strut around on a stage flexing. Some of us are just competitive athletes that are looking to get stronger.

To each their own I guess.

 

[Crysis6]

Bro, Ive done the sust/deca/dbol thing and bloated up and gotten bigger. Ill tell you right now, the strength ive gained on this cycle, without holding any water, is as much if not more so far than that. I have no desire to be big just to be big, which is why I chose to run a cycle that would give me purely lean body mass. Which it has..im a little guy, 5'6 on a good day, and my natural body weight is in the 140's where I plateau. After my last football injury (torn labrum and knee scope) I was down to 134. I worked my ass off to get back to 150, and then started back up and im at 165 now. Not in shape? At 165 I put up 300 6 times yesterday.. and Im blowing past ever corner that tries to cover me, as well as knocking bigger LB's on their ass. I got 10 weeks left of sust and EQ, one more week running tren. Ill be in the 170's, and under 10% bf easily. So whatever your goals are, do me a favor and dont attempt to knock mine when I know exactly what I want out of my work, and your out of your mind to think for a second Im out of shape or Im doing something I shouldnt. Ive got my diet, my workout, and my lifestyle in check and you seem to be the only one who has had anything negative to say. Everybody else seems to see the progression from my pics, and walking around work and life outside of EF, Ive been getting plenty of comments. Im more then comfortable where Im at... and know exactly where Im going to be.

 

[EricG]

Bro, Ive done the sust/deca/dbol thing and bloated up and gotten bigger. Ill tell you right now, the strength ive gained on this cycle, without holding any water, is as much if not more so far than that. I have no desire to be big just to be big, which is why I chose to run a cycle that would give me purely lean body mass. Which it has..im a little guy, 5'6 on a good day, and my natural body weight is in the 140's where I plateau. After my last football injury (torn labrum and knee scope) I was down to 134. I worked my ass off to get back to 150, and then started back up and im at 165 now. Not in shape? At 165 I put up 300 6 times yesterday.. and Im blowing past ever corner that tries to cover me, as well as knocking bigger LB's on their ass. I got 10 weeks left of sust and EQ, one more week running tren. Ill be in the 170's, and under 10% bf easily. So whatever your goals are, do me a favor and dont attempt to knock mine when I know exactly what I want out of my work, and your out of your mind to think for a second Im out of shape or Im doing something I shouldnt. Ive got my diet, my workout, and my lifestyle in check and you seem to be the only one who has had anything negative to say. Everybody else seems to see the progression from my pics, and walking around work and life outside of EF, Ive been getting plenty of comments. Im more then comfortable where Im at... and know exactly where Im going to be.

Dont worry, theres always someone trying to knock you down. 620+ posts in the thread, had to come eventually lol.

Keep up the good work man,

-Eric

 

[Crysis6]

haha..true story. Im good with where Im at. Thanks bro, of course Im gonna keep pluggin away. Been tough coming back from that type of injury, but not as tough as actually having it happen and not being able to get in a gym for damn near a year. Feeling great now though..

 

[sensational]

Injuries are terrible! I tore my MCL and it really fubar'd my training!

My quads went from 31" to 28", I NEED PANTS NOW, GET ME PANTS I CAN"T SHOW MY LEGS!!!!

 

[theblondebomber]

You are ficken kidding me. Looking at those pics it doesn't look you take anything nor should even consider taking anything. You are not even in shape. Dude, what is your diet like? Do you drink alcohol?

i was looking for your pics.can't seem to find them!

 

[Crysis6]

Injuries are terrible! I tore my MCL and it really fubar'd my training!

My quads went from 31" to 28", I NEED PANTS NOW, GET ME PANTS I CAN"T SHOW MY LEGS!!!!

Dude, I had a torn labrum, with severe tendonitis in my shoulder, a partially torn MCL in my right knee, and from there my training was shot to hell. Lost so much weight it was ridiculous, and went down to my "natural" body weight of 136 (fast metabolism). Just jumped on the scale and now Im 166. Putting up more now then on any of my previous cycles, and no bloat. I constructed this cycle with exact goals in mind, and Im getting right to where I want to be. Lean, tight, hard, and shredded. Gotta focus on my midsection more now, but its always been easy once I get on a solid ab regimen to bring out my upper abs, lower abs have always been tough but the tren, along with the cardio Im about to start up should handle that. I got bruises all over my chest and arms from people constantly coming up and grabbin me or punching me in the chest. lol One hater out of the bunch wont phaze me, fuck it, Ill work even harder now.

 

[cobracock1979]

Dude, I had a torn labrum, with severe tendonitis in my shoulder, a partially torn MCL in my right knee, and from there my training was shot to hell. Lost so much weight it was ridiculous, and went down to my "natural" body weight of 136 (fast metabolism). Just jumped on the scale and now Im 166. Putting up more now then on any of my previous cycles, and no bloat. I constructed this cycle with exact goals in mind, and Im getting right to where I want to be. Lean, tight, hard, and shredded. Gotta focus on my midsection more now, but its always been easy once I get on a solid ab regimen to bring out my upper abs, lower abs have always been tough but the tren, along with the cardio Im about to start up should handle that. I got bruises all over my chest and arms from people constantly coming up and grabbin me or punching me in the chest. lol One hater out of the bunch wont phaze me, fuck it, Ill work even harder now.

LOL,

Come on Mr. perfect, look at Crysis' last pics and you will see the improvement. Post some of your own bro, let us have a look

 

[P4D2A022]

post em up mr. perfect. not everyone has insane genetics. i know i dont

 

[mrperfect]

post em up mr. perfect. not everyone has insane genetics. i know i dont

How do I post them not being a paying memeber? I will be happy to.

 

[drsketch]

go here:
http://tinypic.com/

upload pics, then copy the pics and paste the URL in the thread..

 

[mrperfect]

i was looking for your pics.can't seem to find them!

Here ya go.

 

[sensational]

Here ya go.

Upper body looks great, lower body needs more size! I SMELL SQUATS IN THE FUTURE!

 

[drsketch]

dude maybe tinypic doesnt work too well, try again with photbucket. google photobucket url

 

[mrperfect]

dude maybe tinypic doesnt work too well, try again with photbucket. google photobucket url

I can see the pic, can you?

And from the message above. Ya, I need a lot of let thickness, they are good from the front but once I turn to the side they are very thin as you can see. I am 6 foot though so that doesn't help.

 

[drsketch]

No I cant see the pic, it is showing as 'moved or deleted.'

 

[mrperfect]

Ya, it is for me now to, let me try again.

 

[mrperfect]

 

[mrperfect]

No I cant see the pic, it is showing as 'moved or deleted.'

it deleted when I closed tinypic so I had to create an account and save it. Should be good now. let me know if it dissapears again.

 

[drsketch]

Not bad... though for the amount of delopment to your upper body your legs are well under devoloped, or atleast it looks that way from this angle.

 

[mrperfect]

who are you talking about?

I was talking about crysis6 but that was rude, sorry. I have to remember that this is a board. I come to these things reading to learn and I always think that the people I am talking to or post threads are very knowledgable, like pros or doctors I guess. Then when I see pics of people that are of average and they are talking like experts I get discouraged. I didn't read many of the threads on this post at all and I am not saying that crysis was claiming to be an expert but I just think someone should look real damn good and be genetically maxed out before taking shit.

 

[mrperfect]

Not bad... though for the amount of delopment to your upper body your legs are well under devoloped, or atleast it looks that way from this angle.

You are correct. They look much better from the front than the side but they still have some catching up to do that I am trying to make in the off-season.

 

[drsketch]

Look good dude.

 

[Crysis6]

Never did I claim to be an expert, or talk like an expert. I read, research, and learn..and share that which I have learned with those who are attempting to do the same thing. Im not a 6' genetic beast, nor am I interested in getting up on stage in a thong and competing. Im a 5'6 136lb 27 year old who gained 20 lbs naturally after turning 22. I trained for years naturally, and when I was 25 it came time for a boost. Especially after my recent injuries... But I am a smart, knowledgeable dude (lawyer, not chemist) with a good head on my shoulders and the ability to research and help people out when I can. Sorry if im not quite as "perfect" as yourself, but for me, Im doing pretty damn good.

 

[mrperfect]

Never did I claim to be an expert, or talk like an expert. I read, research, and learn..and share that which I have learned with those who are attempting to do the same thing. Im not a 6' genetic beast, nor am I interested in getting up on stage in a thong and competing. Im a 5'6 136lb 27 year old who gained 20 lbs naturally after turning 22. I trained for years naturally, and when I was 25 it came time for a boost. Especially after my recent injuries... But I am a smart, knowledgeable dude (lawyer, not chemist) with a good head on my shoulders and the ability to research and help people out when I can. Sorry if im not quite as "perfect" as yourself, but for me, Im doing pretty damn good.

I explained and apologized bro. Its done and over. We don't wear thongs onstage and I am not perfect.

 

[GUARDIAN]

solid physique. nice work!

 

[P4D2A022]

damn mrperfect, crazy physique bro. props. what are your stats? u look great. whats a typical cycle look like for you?

 

[Crysis6]

Sorry bro...but im not gonna lie, your comments straight pissed me off after everything ive done and the work and sacrifices ive made to get back to where im trying to get to, and all the positive feedback ive been getting on my changes. You got a sick physique and thats something to be damn proud of. Not what im trying to do, but to each his own. Again..good shit bro, u look sick.

 

[beachstud]

Just had to chime in here because I"ve been lurking on this thread for days. Took me hours to get to page 56... I don't even know wtf this little scuffle is in the posts above me but sounds kinda **GEIGH** to me...

I just started my first test/tren cycle last Thursday because reading about all you fuckers who are loving it made me jealous so I only lasted 1 out of the 2 months off the sauce. Oh well. I'LL BE BUFF!

I'm loving it, though I'm seeing more from the Winny than anything. Can't wait to be super jacked in time for my b-day.

 

[mrperfect]

damn mrperfect, crazy physique bro. props. what are your stats? u look great. whats a typical cycle look like for you?

I have no idea what my stats are. I measured my arm for the first time in years cause a freind made a bet with me and it was around 18-19. I was about half way through my diet. I guess I should to track progress but I like to go off overall look and not get caught up in numbes. I don't even weigh myself much when getting ready for a show because then I will tend to want to do what the scale says and not the mirror when in fact the mirror is the only one that matters.

My cycle for the show was

test enth 400/wk
tren 50/day
winny 50/day 4 weeks out
winny 100/day for last two weeks
Also used arimidex to help dry out at the end.

I am going to try to work with prop instead of enth next time and use anavar.

 

[GUARDIAN]

I don't even know wtf this little scuffle is in the posts above me but sounds kinda **GEIGH** to me...

it should be obvious everyone in this thread is on tren......lol. they are all raging!

 

[drsketch]

Damn guardian.. I thought this was the one place I could go and not have my coworkers see buff legs.. haha

 

[GUARDIAN]

Damn guardian.. I thought this was the one place I could go and not have my coworkers see buff legs.. haha

u can turn signatures and avitars off.

 

[Uprising]

theyre not pumped these are hours after gym, looks like iv got a chubby belly on the first one my body fat is 11%

stats 5'7
170pounds

used tren/prop/sus/winstrol just finished im really really dry. winstrol was harsh on joints too.

 

[Uprising]

its good stuff i packed on muscle noticing results everytime i went to gym. i can now easily bench 20key over my own bodyweight for 8 reps i did lose some sleep coz of the tren but nothing major. 3 days til pct i really dont want to come off im seeing results that good

 

[Zuperman]

How old you u bro??

 

[Crysis6]

Own body weight for eight reps? So you're benching 170 for 8? I dont wanna say anything bad but really? 5 weeks on tren and Im benching almost double my body weight. You should be able to bench your body weight when you first start working out. Seems like an awful lot of compounds for someone just starting out, and looking as young as you do, although I look young so I cant say anything about that.

 

[Crysis6]

Or is this a joke considering that last pic you put up was a black dude giving 2 middle fingers. lol

 

[P4D2A022]

I have no idea what my stats are. I measured my arm for the first time in years cause a freind made a bet with me and it was around 18-19. I was about half way through my diet. I guess I should to track progress but I like to go off overall look and not get caught up in numbes. I don't even weigh myself much when getting ready for a show because then I will tend to want to do what the scale says and not the mirror when in fact the mirror is the only one that matters.

My cycle for the show was

test enth 400/wk
tren 50/day
winny 50/day 4 weeks out
winny 100/day for last two weeks
Also used arimidex to help dry out at the end.

I am going to try to work with prop instead of enth next time and use anavar.

thats it? nice cycle. thought u be on gh too. i love prop. its a lot better than enth IMO

 

[Uprising]

Im 22 2nd cycle


Sorry pal haha that meant to say 20key over my own bodyweight (i cut and edited that from similar message)

100kg bench 8x3 as standard is that not really strong for a 5'7 170pound? I thought that was pretty good!!??

Not sure about the black dude! Dunno what I didn wrong there anyway...

Im now editing out photos for obvious reasons.

 

[str8nubin]

Holy shit guys great thread, I'm lucky to have caught even 1/3 of it

Someday a gear historian is definetly going to read this puppy and pee him/herself a little due to this comment

 

[Zuperman]

Im 22 2nd cycle


Sorry pal haha that meant to say 20key over my own bodyweight (i cut and edited that from similar message)

100kg bench 8x3 as standard is that not really strong for a 5'7 170pound? I thought that was pretty good!!??

Not sure about the black dude! Dunno what I didn wrong there anyway...

Im now editing out photos for obvious reasons.

dude come on, your 22.

I'm 25 and never touched gear, search my thread with pics.
and if you have any questions let me know, I'll be happy to help you.
but you can still gain alot more naturally.

 

[theblondebomber]

I explained and apologized bro. Its done and over. We don't wear thongs onstage and I am not perfect.

look at my pics and i dont give any advice.

 

[mrperfect]

thats it? nice cycle. thought u be on gh too. i love prop. its a lot better than enth IMO

GH should be taken for longer term, at least 6 months, and at a decent dose to get muscle out of it, it only 2-4 IUs just leans you out. And I can not make it to the pro level so I don't think its worth the bang for the buck. I have never taken it so maybe I am wrong. I use my diet mostly.

 

[mrperfect]

look at my pics and i dont give any advice.

No pics posted bro.

 

[P4D2A022]

GH should be taken for longer term, at least 6 months, and at a decent dose to get muscle out of it, it only 2-4 IUs just leans you out. And I can not make it to the pro level so I don't think its worth the bang for the buck. I have never taken it so maybe I am wrong. I use my diet mostly.

oh ok. yeah i hear ya. i want to try it myself when i get past 30, but i have no plans to compete (sont have the genes) so im wondering if its worth the money to use it other than for its anti-aging effects

 

[jagerbombme]

dude come on, your 22.

I'm 25 and never touched gear, search my thread with pics.
and if you have any questions let me know, I'll be happy to help you.
but you can still gain alot more naturally.

if you didn't use gear and i seen your thread and what you did in 1 year, then you have 1 in 100K genetics. my training partner has almost caught up with me in strength in every category, i got him on good diet, training, and he's did it in 5 months, he's added mass, people ask me what he's on. i cannot believe it cause he's done in 5 months what took me 3 years at any given point. if you didn't use gear, FINE, but don't act like a poster boy like anyone can do it cause they cannot do it without juice, MOST that is

 

[jagerbombme]

GH should be taken for longer term, at least 6 months, and at a decent dose to get muscle out of it, it only 2-4 IUs just leans you out. And I can not make it to the pro level so I don't think its worth the bang for the buck. I have never taken it so maybe I am wrong. I use my diet mostly.

i agree, that's why i wanna get on 2iu ed fo gettin lean, shouldn't have the sides at that dose either. and the muscle you'd get wouldn't be worth all the money unless your stackin with slin and that's a whole different story with a host of other risks

 

[jagerbombme]

it should be obvious everyone in this thread is on tren......lol. they are all raging!

WEEEEE!!!!

 

[jagerbombme]

Own body weight for eight reps? So you're benching 170 for 8? I dont wanna say anything bad but really? 5 weeks on tren and Im benching almost double my body weight. You should be able to bench your body weight when you first start working out. Seems like an awful lot of compounds for someone just starting out, and looking as young as you do, although I look young so I cant say anything about that.

double my body weight would be 450, hehe, with tren i hit 385 so far, i've tried 405 3X now and MOTHER FUCK!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!! I CANT GET IT!!!!!!!!! FUCK!!!!!! MOM!!!!!!!!!!! MORE TREN!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!! GET MY FUCKING TREN BITCH!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!! hehehehehehe

 

[Crysis6]

hahahhahaha.... 450 would be serious..shit, 405 is serious. Im feeling good with the progression im making now, going up every workout. Tonight is chest again... gotta get myself a spot tonight and just go balls out. Now my muscle gains are going past fat loss...still not holding water but as of this morning gained another couple of pounds for the week. Life is good.

 

[mrperfect]

i agree, that's why i wanna get on 2iu ed fo gettin lean, shouldn't have the sides at that dose either. and the muscle you'd get wouldn't be worth all the money unless your stackin with slin and that's a whole different story with a host of other risks

2 IUs a day should help you get lean. Not sure how much because I have never done it and I am not willing to pay the money to TRY it. I am fourtunate that I can get as lean as you see without it.

I am going to use a little slin in the near future though. It can be dangerous but I am knowledgeable about it. I tried it last year, 2 to 4 IUs a day three days a week for 2 weeks and it did more for me than any AAS has in years. My muscles got so full it pulled my skin thin tight. However, I had a very strict diet on the slin days. All carbs and protein, NO fat. And I am naturally on the lean side so that helped. For someone who puts on fat easy it might not be ideal. I think that is why the pros are as big as they are these days compared to 10 years ago. They gain just as much or more weight using GH and slin as they do with AAS. Ronnie Coleman said if you are going to spend money spend it on GH. But I am sure he got it cheap and was taking enough for a large cow. I talked to a pro recently and he was taking 16 IUs of slin a day. Now that is danergous and something I would not reccomend, not even a Mr. Olympia, that is asking for life long trouble is not life ending.

 

[Zuperman]

if you didn't use gear and i seen your thread and what you did in 1 year, then you have 1 in 100K genetics. my training partner has almost caught up with me in strength in every category, i got him on good diet, training, and he's did it in 5 months, he's added mass, people ask me what he's on. i cannot believe it cause he's done in 5 months what took me 3 years at any given point. if you didn't use gear, FINE, but don't act like a poster boy like anyone can do it cause they cannot do it without juice, MOST that is

Poster boy?? WTF?
are u giving a 22 yrs old 170lb 5' 10'' an excuse to juice??

I was just telling him that he could at least squeeze 3 more years in naturally. did u even see his pics?? I think he should build a good base first.

 

[jagerbombme]

Poster boy?? WTF?
are u giving a 22 yrs old 170lb 5' 10'' an excuse to juice??

I was just telling him that he could at least squeeze 3 more years in naturally. did u even see his pics?? I think he should build a good base first.

i looked for his pics and didn't see them. besides he's right at the age where growth plates could be closed already on him. and he's gonna do it anyways if he's gonna do it. and like i say, most people will not add mass without the shit, they'll get stronger, and they'll flatline on gains, and not look much if any bigger at all. this could be due to fat in the muscle and they're burning it out so it never looks like they're getting bigger, and constantly losing sub fat. i donno. tough call but most cannot get bigger without the shit, lucky u can is what i'm saying but your saying since you can everyone can and that's incorrect

 

[Crysis6]

Case in point with me... Ive always been very strong for my size, but while id be able to lift more, i was never ever able to gain size or weight. Id max at 150lbs or so and could never gainafter that, no matter what i ate or how clean my diet was, or how many times I switched up my training routine. Some people have the genetics to just get huge, and some people were meant to be skinny. So we find a way to alter that..and im feeling great about where im at right now.

 

[jagerbombme]

Case in point with me... Ive always been very strong for my size, but while id be able to lift more, i was never ever able to gain size or weight. Id max at 150lbs or so and could never gainafter that, no matter what i ate or how clean my diet was, or how many times I switched up my training routine. Some people have the genetics to just get huge, and some people were meant to be skinny. So we find a way to alter that..and im feeling great about where im at right now.

my genetics let me get fat very easy, but also don't let me get muscle mass. don't know what you call me but that's me. it took extremely good diet/aas/training/cardio and mental edge to get as far as i've got and i got ways to go with fat loss. sittin at 15%ish gets harder the lower you get.

 

[Crysis6]

my genetics let me get fat very easy, but also don't let me get muscle mass. don't know what you call me but that's me. it took extremely good diet/aas/training/cardio and mental edge to get as far as i've got and i got ways to go with fat loss. sittin at 15%ish gets harder the lower you get.

I was always skinny as hell. 9th grade I was 4'10 79lbs lol Just to get an idea... but the only problem area ive ever had was lower abs, which is generally the hardest spot for guys to lose that last bit anyway. Im gettin there...havent been doing much cardio lately anyway, starting next week im gonna do some HIIT and see where it goes from there. As long as any of us that dont have those sick genetics stay focused and motivated in what we are doing, we will be just fine.

 

[timtim]

my genetics let me get fat very easy, but also don't let me get muscle mass. don't know what you call me but that's me. it took extremely good diet/aas/training/cardio and mental edge to get as far as i've got and i got ways to go with fat loss. sittin at 15%ish gets harder the lower you get.

it doesnt get harder to drop fat till you get much lower than 15%. something is off in your diet. could be a poor ratio of omega 3-6-9's, could be something else. even eating 100% clean isnt enough, everything has to be in alignment if youre not cycling.

 

[GUARDIAN]

my genetics let me get fat very easy, but also don't let me get muscle mass. don't know what you call me but that's me. it took extremely good diet/aas/training/cardio and mental edge to get as far as i've got and i got ways to go with fat loss. sittin at 15%ish gets harder the lower you get.

something is off with your diet and/or cardio. pm me if u want some help.

 

[EricG]

Jager, I saw like a hundred or two posts ago you mentioned you felt the tren level fall off 12 hours or so after inject, so would it be better to pin before workout or is okay to do it after workout(am workouts) atleast that its everyday?

-Eric

 

[eddymerckx]

still impressed with this thread---good bros all

 

[Crysis6]

Page 69 and going strong. Impressive indeed.

 

[P4D2A022]

very impressive lets keep it up. wish more ppl would jump in

 

[cobracock1979]

Jager, I saw like a hundred or two posts ago you mentioned you felt the tren level fall off 12 hours or so after inject, so would it be better to pin before workout or is okay to do it after workout(am workouts) atleast that its everyday?

-Eric

Fuck Bro's,

This thread turned into a brawl! LOL

My Keto diet seems to have stalled, I feel like I have put on some mass/ water it sucks. Anyone else experienced the same? Unless Im just havin a bad coupla days

 

[beachstud]

Jager, I saw like a hundred or two posts ago you mentioned you felt the tren level fall off 12 hours or so after inject, so would it be better to pin before workout or is okay to do it after workout(am workouts) atleast that its everyday?

-Eric

That's a really good question. I remember that one about the steep half-life and how you have to hit tren ace ed or else it's unstable in teh blood. I do my daily inj right before working out. Hopefully that's decent timing.

Also, for your ED and EOD injectons, you guys are back-loading a slin pin right? Even thought the pin is technically too short for IM on most sites, I have low bf and take the plunger out of the pin to back-load. I use another syringe with an 18g pin on it and fill the cylinder. I make batches of 5 at a time so I can be stealthy and fast.

Tren fucking kicks ass. I had the craziest bicep pumps today. Got emergency massage midday.

 

[cobracock1979]

That's a really good question. I remember that one about the steep half-life and how you have to hit tren ace ed or else it's unstable in teh blood. I do my daily inj right before working out. Hopefully that's decent timing.

Also, for your ED and EOD injectons, you guys are back-loading a slin pin right? Even thought the pin is technically too short for IM on most sites, I have low bf and take the plunger out of the pin to back-load. I use another syringe with an 18g pin on it and fill the cylinder. I make batches of 5 at a time so I can be stealthy and fast.

Tren fucking kicks ass. I had the craziest bicep pumps today. Got emergency massage midday.

Beachstud,
What kinda diet you got Bro. Pics look Rockin!

 

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[str8nubin]

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[cobracock1979]

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[mrperfect]

thats it? nice cycle. thought u be on gh too. i love prop. its a lot better than enth IMO

I used prop a few years ago and couldn't deal with the pain cause I couldn't train legs. I took years off and just haven't tried prop again since I started back up.

 

[mrperfect]

I was always skinny as hell. 9th grade I was 4'10 79lbs lol Just to get an idea... but the only problem area ive ever had was lower abs, which is generally the hardest spot for guys to lose that last bit anyway. Im gettin there...havent been doing much cardio lately anyway, starting next week im gonna do some HIIT and see where it goes from there. As long as any of us that dont have those sick genetics stay focused and motivated in what we are doing, we will be just fine.

I have good genetics so I get 15i%sh in the off-season. 15%ish if fat for me. However, I have friends with horrible genetics and they don't have an issue. My friend is a fat ass....get like 250 in the off season not taking anything and diets down to 200 for a contest and ASS help but it is all diet. Bro, if you are on shit you should be able to get leaner than 15% very, very easy. You need to look into your diet etc. PM me your current diet if you would like some help.

 

[william rand]

I keep hearing its all in the diet and I am just not convinced. I must be missing something here. I eat clean (rarely eat out) but I still cant cut up the way I want. I would really appreciate it if anyone could look over my diet and give me some pointers.

My goal is to cut up as much as possible:

7:00
1 regular pancake with regular peanut butter on it (pancake is made with 1:1 ratio brown flour to protien powder)
4 egg whites scrambled
1 cup coffee

9:00
protien shake

10:00
workout

11:30
regular serving of chicken breast and green beans(olive oil on the veges)

15:00
burger made from lean ground beef and green beans(olive oil on the veges)

18:00
4 egg whites scrambled
1 cup decaf coffee
1 regular pancake with regular peanut butter on it (pancake is made with 1:1 ratio brown flour to protien powder)

20:00
protien shake

* I will have a handfull of almonds or other nuts 1-2 daily also.

6 meals with high protien moderate carbs and low fat (all from good sources)

 

[timtim]

I keep hearing its all in the diet and I am just not convinced. I must be missing something here. I eat clean (rarely eat out) but I still cant cut up the way I want. I would really appreciate it if anyone could look over my diet and give me some pointers.

My goal is to cut up as much as possible:

7:00
1 regular pancake with regular peanut butter on it (pancake is made with 1:1 ratio brown flour to protien powder)
4 egg whites scrambled
1 cup coffee

9:00
protien shake

10:00
workout

11:30
regular serving of chicken breast and green beans(olive oil on the veges)

15:00
burger made from lean ground beef and green beans(olive oil on the veges)

18:00
4 egg whites scrambled
1 cup decaf coffee
1 regular pancake with regular peanut butter on it (pancake is made with 1:1 ratio brown flour to protien powder)

20:00
protien shake

* I will have a handfull of almonds or other nuts 1-2 daily also.

6 meals with high protien moderate carbs and low fat (all from good sources)

imo, not enough good fats. your omega ratio is completely off and that is a big issue with fat burning. the stand alone protein shakes are practically a waste as they are predigested and raced right through you without even stimulating the metabolism. i would add 5 to 8 grams of fish oils or udos choice blend to both shakes. also, that doesnt seem like alot of protein to me. 4 egg whites equals 14 grams of protein. 6 ounces of chicken is around 40. 1 lean burger could be 30 to 40. thats not ideal really. its very clean and healthy but not perfect. ive had the same issues in the past. balancing the fats did amazing shit for me. as did carb/calorie cycling. i would drop the pancake and go with oats too. look up carb cycling. its very effective. you shouldnt be eating the same amounts everyday or you plateau.

 

[jagerbombme]

Jager, I saw like a hundred or two posts ago you mentioned you felt the tren level fall off 12 hours or so after inject, so would it be better to pin before workout or is okay to do it after workout(am workouts) atleast that its everyday?

-Eric

morning is fine bro. once ed is fine, some people actually do do twice, but once ed is working fine for me. people that go eod i notice have increased sides big time

 

[william rand]

imo, not enough good fats. your omega ratio is completely off and that is a big issue with fat burning. the stand alone protein shakes are practically a waste as they are predigested and raced right through you without even stimulating the metabolism. i would add 5 to 8 grams of fish oils or udos choice blend to both shakes. also, that doesnt seem like alot of protein to me. 4 egg whites equals 14 grams of protein. 6 ounces of chicken is around 40. 1 lean burger could be 30 to 40. thats not ideal really. its very clean and healthy but not perfect. ive had the same issues in the past. balancing the fats did amazing shit for me. as did carb/calorie cycling. i would drop the pancake and go with oats too. look up carb cycling. its very effective. you shouldnt be eating the same amounts everyday or you plateau.

actually your right, I tried carb cycling (last week 1 dropped my carbs for 4-5 days and saw some pretty good results, i'll try it again). I'll throw in a fish oil capsule for every meal, that should up the oil ratio, what do you think? any other suggestions? thanks

 

[theblondebomber]

imo, not enough good fats. your omega ratio is completely off and that is a big issue with fat burning. the stand alone protein shakes are practically a waste as they are predigested and raced right through you without even stimulating the metabolism. i would add 5 to 8 grams of fish oils or udos choice blend to both shakes. also, that doesnt seem like alot of protein to me. 4 egg whites equals 14 grams of protein. 6 ounces of chicken is around 40. 1 lean burger could be 30 to 40. thats not ideal really. its very clean and healthy but not perfect. ive had the same issues in the past. balancing the fats did amazing shit for me. as did carb/calorie cycling. i would drop the pancake and go with oats too. look up carb cycling. its very effective. you shouldnt be eating the same amounts everyday or you plateau.

I pretty much agree.dont underestimate the fat.hey as of today im 3.7% BF.its crazy.i started carbing up today for my show sat.and my skin was about to explose.veins on top of veins.tomorrow illl pull some water and post pics of what 3.7% bf looks like.i cant believe its me.ive put a guy and a girl competitor on my diet after theirs failed.after one week they are excited as hell with the vascularity because of sudden bf drop.im pumpede for the show.ill post pics with my 3 trophys.ok my 2 trophies.maybe ill get 3.LOL!

 

[P4D2A022]

AWESOME bro. try to get some close ups if u can!

 

[timtim]

actually your right, I tried carb cycling (last week 1 dropped my carbs for 4-5 days and saw some pretty good results, i'll try it again). I'll throw in a fish oil capsule for every meal, that should up the oil ratio, what do you think? any other suggestions? thanks

yea, each cap is 1 gram so add some in. carb cycling works great. after a few weeks you'll plateau again. drop 200 calories from your daily intake then and you'll continue to progress.

 

[goku_kakarot77]

how much you weighing in this pic bro, estimation? height?
looking awesome

peace