Please Scroll Down to See Forums Below
napsgear
genezapharmateuticals
domestic-supply
puritysourcelabs
UGL OZ
UGFREAK
napsgeargenezapharmateuticals domestic-supplypuritysourcelabsUGL OZUGFREAK

Did I OVERtrain?

mojaz87

New member
I am really frustrated right now... :mad:

First let me give some perspective since I am not nearly the strongest person in this forum, so my weights may seem trivial to some ppl. My current PR's:


Age: 19
Height: 5'9"
Weight: 170-175 lbs.

Maxes (1x):
Flat Bench: 220 lbs.
Decline Bench: 225 lbs.
Incline Bench: 215 lbs.(@ the end of last summer, then I started doing declines)
Cleans: 210 lbs.
Squats: 295 lbs., but hopefully soon to be 325
Deadlift: just did 'em first time on Friday

OK, so I'm on this "Bigger, Faster, Stronger" type workout from my high school's football program. It basically decreases the reps and increases the weights over the course of about 2 months, culminating in a max out day during the last week for each of the core lifts (bench, squat, cleans, etc.).

Last Friday was my last max out day, and bench press was the main lift. I was back home for spring break and visiting the football coach. I want to start that 5x5 soon so I really wanted to learn how to deadlift. My usual partner didn't show up (I was not happy) so I had to max out by myself, which can be quite dangerous. I worked myself up to a one rep max (220ish), and the coach came to spot me. Old guy almost grabbed the bar half way up but was like "It was all you." This pissed me off but he was there to watch my deadlift so I let it go.

I started practicing deads for the first time (seriously) with about 135 on. I focus on technique a lot and he said I had it down pretty well. Anyways, I felt like I could be doing more so after about 10 reps of 135, the coach left and I put on another plate on each side. I started doing reps of 225, mind you this was my first time, and it still felt fine. I was angry about the bench thing so after doing about 5-6 reps at 225, I bumped it up to 290ish and did that three times. That took all my energy, and I was straining like a madman. I knew I had to go down. I went back down to 225 and did like 12-15 more singles. My back felt fine, so I felt as though I was doing a good job of keeping it straight. After those 12-15 reps I went back down to 135 and did some more reps. All in all, I'd say I did 30-40 reps total at various weights.

At this point, I went do to some shrugs. 180 in the smith machine for 4 sets of 10. It got tough on the last set but I had a good pump. I felt like I should give 220 another go on the bench. There was no spotter so I had to de-rack it myself. I got down to about 4 inches off my chest and knew I couldn’t go any further without getting stuck. I pressed it back up and was super-pissed that I couldn't get it. I had heard that one way to break out of a sticking point was to do reps starting at that point. I set it up in the Smith and put 2 plates on each side. I did 3 singles and decided I should decrease the weight. Then I went down and did a 45 and 35 on each side for 8-10 reps. Then I went down to just the 45's and did a few more reps. At the end of my workout, I did a burnout with 135 and got 20 reps on the bench.

SO NOW, I go in to workout this morning (Tuesday) 4 days later. On the bench I could only get 185 4 times after warming up. It was pathetic. Then I went to squat and that's one of my strong points. I stay tight and get low and explode up. Today I warmed up to 3 sets of triples with 265. After the first 2 reps of the first triple, I knew I was done. I angrily racked it and striped the weight while this douche on the leg raise machine thing next to me was looking at me. I wanted to break his face.

Long story short, my muscles feel SHOT. I'm not sure if I overtrained or if I'm just pathetically weak, but it's very discouraging especially since I got up bright and early to go workout. I know the deadlift works more muscles than any other exercise simultaneously, but do you think 4 days later, I am overtrained? Sorry for the long post, but I really could use some advice.
 
i think u outdone everything.. u went in to the gym without a proper routine.. yes good idea to start the 5x5 soon.. and deadlifting 30 to 40 reps on that kind of weight on a high rep basis will definitely destroy u.. at your weight i'm surprised u could get that weight up assuming your form is on.. how long have u been lifting?

and no offence, but pls don't ever touch the smith machine EVER again!! unless your gym has no free weight for bench.. even so.. get creative..

and regarding overtraining.. your diet comes in to consideration and so does your sleep.. are u resting enough? hope i helped abit.. keep us posted.. i'm sure other ppl with more knowledge will post up..
 
Thanks for the advice carlsuen, I should probably clarify a few things. I WAS on a set routine for my training. It was a 3x/week program. It was the last week, in which we were supposed to max out and for some reason I just lost my composure. I didn't do my supplementary exercises that day b/c I really wanted to learn the deadlift. After doing all those reps, I didn't feel terrible, I was pretty pumped actually. It's now though, 4 days later when I feel weak.

Also, I NEVER use the Smith machine. However, I had heard that one good way to help the sticking point in the bench press is to set up the bar at the most difficult position in the ROM and then press from there. Since the place I was at had no power rack, I set up the safety pins on he smith machine and did it on that. It put a LOT of strain on my joints for some reason though. Seems like it's not natural to go perfectly straight up and down on reps. I was off on spring break this past week, so eating and sleeping were not factors I don't think. I definitely got more sleep than I was getting at school.
 
Age: 17
My 1 rep maxes
Bench: 340
Squat: 550
Clean: 280
DL: 500
I agree that you did out do yourself and over trained. You should never do 30 to 40 reps (on anything) and keep thinking that the first set was not good enough and do more, especially for someone who is not quite strong enough yet. Come up with a set workout plan even if it is not what your coach wants, I did. The smith machine should be taken out of your daily workout, try some dumbbells if you have to. If you want to increase your bench, try negatives with a spotter, skull crushers, dumbbell flyes, and overhead presses.
 
mojaz87 said:
I am really frustrated right now... :mad:

First let me give some perspective since I am not nearly the strongest person in this forum, so my weights may seem trivial to some ppl. My current PR's:


Age: 19
Height: 5'9"
Weight: 170-175 lbs.

Maxes (1x):
Flat Bench: 220 lbs.
Decline Bench: 225 lbs.
Incline Bench: 215 lbs.(@ the end of last summer, then I started doing declines)
Cleans: 210 lbs.
Squats: 295 lbs., but hopefully soon to be 325
Deadlift: just did 'em first time on Friday

OK, so I'm on this "Bigger, Faster, Stronger" type workout from my high school's football program. It basically decreases the reps and increases the weights over the course of about 2 months, culminating in a max out day during the last week for each of the core lifts (bench, squat, cleans, etc.).

Last Friday was my last max out day, and bench press was the main lift. I was back home for spring break and visiting the football coach. I want to start that 5x5 soon so I really wanted to learn how to deadlift. My usual partner didn't show up (I was not happy) so I had to max out by myself, which can be quite dangerous. I worked myself up to a one rep max (220ish), and the coach came to spot me. Old guy almost grabbed the bar half way up but was like "It was all you." This pissed me off but he was there to watch my deadlift so I let it go.

I started practicing deads for the first time (seriously) with about 135 on. I focus on technique a lot and he said I had it down pretty well. Anyways, I felt like I could be doing more so after about 10 reps of 135, the coach left and I put on another plate on each side. I started doing reps of 225, mind you this was my first time, and it still felt fine. I was angry about the bench thing so after doing about 5-6 reps at 225, I bumped it up to 290ish and did that three times. That took all my energy, and I was straining like a madman. I knew I had to go down. I went back down to 225 and did like 12-15 more singles. My back felt fine, so I felt as though I was doing a good job of keeping it straight. After those 12-15 reps I went back down to 135 and did some more reps. All in all, I'd say I did 30-40 reps total at various weights.

At this point, I went do to some shrugs. 180 in the smith machine for 4 sets of 10. It got tough on the last set but I had a good pump. I felt like I should give 220 another go on the bench. There was no spotter so I had to de-rack it myself. I got down to about 4 inches off my chest and knew I couldn’t go any further without getting stuck. I pressed it back up and was super-pissed that I couldn't get it. I had heard that one way to break out of a sticking point was to do reps starting at that point. I set it up in the Smith and put 2 plates on each side. I did 3 singles and decided I should decrease the weight. Then I went down and did a 45 and 35 on each side for 8-10 reps. Then I went down to just the 45's and did a few more reps. At the end of my workout, I did a burnout with 135 and got 20 reps on the bench.

SO NOW, I go in to workout this morning (Tuesday) 4 days later. On the bench I could only get 185 4 times after warming up. It was pathetic. Then I went to squat and that's one of my strong points. I stay tight and get low and explode up. Today I warmed up to 3 sets of triples with 265. After the first 2 reps of the first triple, I knew I was done. I angrily racked it and striped the weight while this douche on the leg raise machine thing next to me was looking at me. I wanted to break his face.

Long story short, my muscles feel SHOT. I'm not sure if I overtrained or if I'm just pathetically weak, but it's very discouraging especially since I got up bright and early to go workout. I know the deadlift works more muscles than any other exercise simultaneously, but do you think 4 days later, I am overtrained? Sorry for the long post, but I really could use some advice.

You had a super day and fried your nervous system. This happens and you shouldn't worry about it ... Just prevent it in the future.

Take 2 rest days of no physical activity and limit your total sets per wo in the future to no more than 27 or less.

Rest and recovery are vital to growth. Schedule these like diet and exercise.
 
Top Bottom