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DHT derivitives??

terrapin

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Is oral turinabol an DHT derivitive? What compounds are? My last little stint with primo and OT caused some shedding (which I never had before) and I am wondering if both compounds are DHT-based (I know primo is). Thanks for the help.
 
Thanks LV for the info. I guess its hit or miss as to wether or not you are going to loose some hair. Seems to be a lot of threads about hairloss lately.
 
i've never lost any hair on any cycle i've ever done.
i've dont primo but not a high dose and not for long, i am not prone to MPB at all either.
i am starting my first round with winny today though, so hopefully my good luck holds.
 
Good luck with the winny- I've always had good results with 50mg/winny a day. But as I get older, I worry more about sides so I am trying to figure out what will be my drug of choice.
 
:p Mdht :p
 
kbrkbr said:
var is not a derivative of dht. that's why it's so gentle on your hair.

"Even though Anavar is an anabolic/androgenic steroid, it exhibits low androgenic activity. This reduction of activity is due to the fact that Anavar is derived from dihydrotestosterone, meaning it is already 5-alpha reduced. As a result, Anavar lacks the ability to interact with 5-alpha reductase enzyme and convert to dihydro form. Anavar’s mild nature makes it less suitable for bulking phases, but it creates a good balance between anabolic and androgenic effects. Anavar is commonly used during cutting phases and is commonly stacked with Primobolan and Winstrol to battle water retention. Non-aromatizing androgenic drugs such as Halotestin, Proviron or Trenbolone are also commonly stacked with Anavar. This drug is popular with women, as the masculinizing effects seem to be minimal. Female athletes usually stack Anavar with Durabolin, Primabolan or Winstrol."

Joe “Yu Yevon” King, Research Administrator

Writer for the Journal of Hyperplasia Research
http://www.abcbodybuilding.com/steroids5.php



Generic Name: (oxandrolone)

Delivery: 30tab/2,5mg (Body Research, Thailand)

Description: Oral steroid oxandrolone, first produced in 1964 by the drug manufacturer Searle. It is a mild anabolic with low androgenic activity, one that could be safely used as a growth stimulant in adolescents. Oxandrolone will not aromatize, and therefore the anabolic effect of the compound can actually promote linear growth. Women usually also tolerate this drug well at low doses, and at one time it was prescribed for the treatment of osteoporosis. Its reduced androgenic activity has much to due with the fact that is a derivative of DHT. Yet it lacks the capacity to interact with 5-alpha reeducates enzyme and convert to a more potent �dihydro' form. This drug is known as a good agent for the promotion of strength and quality muscle mass gains, although the mild nature of this compound makes it less than ideal for bulking purposes. Among the bodybuilding community it is most used for cutting cycles where water retention is most of concern. The usual goal in this instance is an additional gain of strength, as well as more quality look to androgen bulk. Woman who fear masculinizing effects of many other steroids this drug is most comfortable. But at higher dosages of course, a suppression of natural testosterone levels will still occur with this drug as with any anabolic steroid.

Dosage: Usual dosage for men is in the range of 15-25mg (6-10 tabs) daily. Women usually use about 5-10mg for considerable results.

Side Effects:Oxandrolone is a 17-alpha akylated oral steroid, while the liver enzyme tests show occasionally elevated levels.

www.anabolics-online.com
 
TraxZBT said:
"Even though Anavar is an anabolic/androgenic steroid, it exhibits low androgenic activity. This reduction of activity is due to the fact that Anavar is derived from dihydrotestosterone, meaning it is already 5-alpha reduced. As a result, Anavar lacks the ability to interact with 5-alpha reductase enzyme and convert to dihydro form. Anavar’s mild nature makes it less suitable for bulking phases, but it creates a good balance between anabolic and androgenic effects. Anavar is commonly used during cutting phases and is commonly stacked with Primobolan and Winstrol to battle water retention. Non-aromatizing androgenic drugs such as Halotestin, Proviron or Trenbolone are also commonly stacked with Anavar. This drug is popular with women, as the masculinizing effects seem to be minimal. Female athletes usually stack Anavar with Durabolin, Primabolan or Winstrol."

Joe “Yu Yevon” King, Research Administrator

Writer for the Journal of Hyperplasia Research
http://www.abcbodybuilding.com/steroids5.php



Generic Name: (oxandrolone)

Delivery: 30tab/2,5mg (Body Research, Thailand)

Description: Oral steroid oxandrolone, first produced in 1964 by the drug manufacturer Searle. It is a mild anabolic with low androgenic activity, one that could be safely used as a growth stimulant in adolescents. Oxandrolone will not aromatize, and therefore the anabolic effect of the compound can actually promote linear growth. Women usually also tolerate this drug well at low doses, and at one time it was prescribed for the treatment of osteoporosis. Its reduced androgenic activity has much to due with the fact that is a derivative of DHT. Yet it lacks the capacity to interact with 5-alpha reeducates enzyme and convert to a more potent �dihydro' form. This drug is known as a good agent for the promotion of strength and quality muscle mass gains, although the mild nature of this compound makes it less than ideal for bulking purposes. Among the bodybuilding community it is most used for cutting cycles where water retention is most of concern. The usual goal in this instance is an additional gain of strength, as well as more quality look to androgen bulk. Woman who fear masculinizing effects of many other steroids this drug is most comfortable. But at higher dosages of course, a suppression of natural testosterone levels will still occur with this drug as with any anabolic steroid.

Dosage: Usual dosage for men is in the range of 15-25mg (6-10 tabs) daily. Women usually use about 5-10mg for considerable results.

Side Effects:Oxandrolone is a 17-alpha akylated oral steroid, while the liver enzyme tests show occasionally elevated levels.

www.anabolics-online.com


Let me clarify myself. While var is, in fact, a derivative of dht,

"it is already 5-alpha reduced. As a result, Anavar lacks the ability to interact with 5-alpha reductase enzyme and convert to dihydro form."

Joe King

and:

"it lacks the capacity to interact with 5-alpha reeducates enzyme and convert to a more potent �dihydro' form."

anabolics-online.com

So what both your citings tell us is that while var IS a derivative of dht, it lacks the ability to be used as dht in the body. Since dht is what exacerbates androgenic alopecia, var has little effect on MPB.

Or at least that's my interpretation. :p

Thanks for the references. Interesting stuff.
 
kbrkbr said:
Let me clarify myself. While var is, in fact, a derivative of dht,

"it is already 5-alpha reduced. As a result, Anavar lacks the ability to interact with 5-alpha reductase enzyme and convert to dihydro form."

Joe King

and:

"it lacks the capacity to interact with 5-alpha reeducates enzyme and convert to a more potent �dihydro' form."

anabolics-online.com

So what both your citings tell us is that while var IS a derivative of dht, it lacks the ability to be used as dht in the body. Since dht is what exacerbates androgenic alopecia, var has little effect on MPB.



I thought primo had the same characteristics......
 
terrapin said:
kbrkbr said:
Let me clarify myself. While var is, in fact, a derivative of dht,

"it is already 5-alpha reduced. As a result, Anavar lacks the ability to interact with 5-alpha reductase enzyme and convert to dihydro form."

Joe King

and:

"it lacks the capacity to interact with 5-alpha reeducates enzyme and convert to a more potent �dihydro' form."

anabolics-online.com

So what both your citings tell us is that while var IS a derivative of dht, it lacks the ability to be used as dht in the body. Since dht is what exacerbates androgenic alopecia, var has little effect on MPB.



I thought primo had the same characteristics......


I honestly don't know. Primo might have the same characteristics. All I know is that while primo, winny, proviron, etc. shreddedy my hair, var seemed to have no effect whatsoever.

That said, some good bros like TraxZBT have written me to say that var caused them to shed. After hearing that, I guess I should consider myself lucky that var doesn't hurt my hair. I love the stuff, especially now that I'm feeling to old to do hardcore cycles anymore. :)
 
Tbol made my scalp very sensitve, and made me shed more, dont know why or how, but I thinned on top, when off and pct finished it has thickened up alot more now.
 
Primo is not a derivative of DHT, is is derived from DHB.

DHT derivatives: winny, var, anadrol, masteron, proviron

I may be forgetting something.
 
i was getting my info from anabolics 2004
you know there are only 3 main molecules we derive our gear from as far as what we are talking about...
testosterone
nandrolone
DHT
 
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