DHT conversion

[Not so tiny]

Could someone explain in laymans terms the pro's and con's of a steroids ability to convert to DHT or link me to an educational article so i can better understand the steroids that convert .

I'm trying to self educate but there are a few things i still don't quite understand .

Thank you in advance

Tiny

 

[swordfish151]

Could someone explain in laymans terms the pro's and con's of a steroids ability to convert to DHT or link me to an educational article so i can better understand the steroids that convert .

I'm trying to self educate but there are a few things i still don't quite understand .

Thank you in advance

Tiny

Im not sure if there are any "pro's" to steriods converting to DHT, some convert and some are derived from DHT.

Also hair loss and acne are cons.

 

[Anthony Roberts]

Well....Personally, I love a lotta steroids derived from DHT...think Masteron, Anavar, etc...

DHT has anti-estrogenic action, so it can help you on that front...look a bit harder, etc...it's a very potent androgen, great for aggression....

I dunno...can you make the question more specific?

 

[Not so tiny]

My bald ass head is a bone of contention and maybe even a slight embarrasment so inlight of that i may have taken the long way around asking a direct question . For that i appoligize

Consideering i'm taking finasteride which as we know is an antiandrogen which acts by inhibiting 5-alpha reductase enzeyme that converts testosterone to DHT , my question would be more on the lines of how is taking this going to effect my choices of steriod cycles .

I have read that woman at times take finasteride to combat DHT as it's something they don't want .

 

[swordfish151]

My bald ass head is a bone of contention and maybe even a slight embarrasment so inlight of that i may have taken the long way around asking a direct question . For that i appoligize

Consideering i'm taking finasteride which as we know is an antiandrogen which acts by inhibiting 5-alpha reductase enzeyme that converts testosterone to DHT , my question would be more on the lines of how is taking this going to effect my choices of steriod cycles .

I have read that woman at times take finasteride to combat DHT as it's something they don't want .

So your saying your genetically dispositioned to have "hair loss"? If so (and i can relate) You already have a high abundance of DHT (hence why your balding) I dont think there is anything that will help you with this..even finastride...well i suppose it will depend on how "bad" it is or how far along it is..

 

[swordfish151]

Some topics about it:

Steroids can possibly cause men to start balding if they have a genetic predisposition towards Male Pattern Baldness. The gene for baldness is thought to reside in the X chromosome exclusively, so a good general indication of whether someone is genetically predisposed towards being bald is to look at the men on their mothers side. Chances are that if the majority of them are bald, then the person will be carrying that gene too. The reason steroids can cause premature balding is that the scalp reacts to Dihydrotestosterone (DHT) quite strongly, and many steroids can either convert to DHT or are derived from it. Of course, several anti-baldness medications can prevent this, such as Finasteride and Dutesteride. This is, of course, merely a cosmetic effect, and poses no real health issues. It could be catastrophic to a potential career with any one of a number of 80´s rock bands, but other than that, I can´t really see any real problems associated with hair loss; especially since it can be avoided when proper steps are taken and certain steroids are avoided.

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Hair loss

The use of highly androgenic steroids can negatively impact the growth of scalp hair. In fact the most common form of male pattern hair loss is directly linked to the level of androgens in such tissues, most specifically the stronger DHT metabolite of testosterone. The technical term for this type of hair loss is androgenetic alopecia, which refers to the interplay of both the male androgenic hormones and a genetic predisposition in bringing about this condition. Those who suffer from this disorder are shown to posses finer hair follicles and higher levels of DHT in comparison to a normal, hairy scalp. But since there is a genetic factor involved, many individuals will not ever see signs of this side-effect, even with very heavy steroid use. Clearly those individuals who are suffering from (or have a familial predisposition for) this type of hair loss should be very cautious when using the stronger drugs like testosterone, Anadrol 50®, Halotestin® and Dianabol.

In many instances the renewal of lost hair can be very difficult, so avoiding this side effect before it occurs is the best advice. For those who need to worry, the decision should probably be made to either stick with the milder substances (Deca-Durabolin® most favoured), or to use the ancillary drug Propecia®/Proscar® (finasteride) when taking testosterone, methyltestosterone or Halotestin. Propecia® is a very effective hair loss medication, which inhibits the 5-alpha reductase enzyme specifically in the hair follicles and prostate. This item offers us little benefit with drugs that are highly androgenic without 5alpha reduction however, the most notable offenders being Anadrol 50® and Dianabol. We must also remember also that all anabolic/androgenic steroids activate the androgen receptor, and can likewise all promote hair loss given the right dosage and conditions.

 

[boxerjake]

So your saying your genetically dispositioned to have "hair loss"? If so (and i can relate) You already have a high abundance of DHT (hence why your balding) I dont think there is anything that will help you with this..even finastride...well i suppose it will depend on how "bad" it is or how far along it is..

I think what he's trying to ask is " what " steriods would be inaffective considering he's ingesting propecia for his hairline issue .

Least thats how i'm inturperating it

 

[big_boy_1]

Could someone explain in laymans terms the pro's and con's of a steroids ability to convert to DHT or link me to an educational article so i can better understand the steroids that convert .

I'm trying to self educate but there are a few things i still don't quite understand .

Thank you in advance

Tiny

Testosterone, and other steroids convert to DHT.
DHT is more androgenic than test, and stimulates the androgen receptor -AR- more.

Keep in mind that ONLY TESTOSTERONE CONVERTS TO DHT. The other steroids convert to sustances chemicallly similar, but not identical to DHT. Some steroids become more androgenic, and other less androgenic with this conversion. Deca for example converts to a less androgenic sustance.

The best way to counteract androgenic effects, no matter if they are caused by DHT, DHT-like sustances, or unmodified steroids are:

* Use a weaker steroid with good binding for the androgen receptor, like deca, eq, primo, anavar. They will displace test and DHT off the receptor, while activating it less.

* Use finasteride to prevent from converting to DHT and DHT-like sustances.

* Use androgen receptor blockers like ciproterone, they bind strongly to the receptor almost without activating it. Thus displacing strong androgens.

Feel free to drop me a private message or email if you need more info.

 

[Anthony Roberts]

Testosterone, and other steroids convert to DHT.
DHT is more androgenic than test, and stimulates the androgen receptor -AR- more.

Keep in mind that ONLY TESTOSTERONE CONVERTS TO DHT. The other steroids convert to sustances chemicallly similar, but not identical to DHT. Some steroids become more androgenic, and other less androgenic with this conversion. Deca for example converts to a less androgenic sustance.

The best way to counteract androgenic effects, no matter if they are caused by DHT, DHT-like sustances, or unmodified steroids are:

* Use a weaker steroid with good binding for the androgen receptor, like deca, eq, primo, anavar. They will displace test and DHT off the receptor, while activating it less.

* Use finasteride to prevent from converting to DHT and DHT-like sustances.

* Use androgen receptor blockers like ciproterone, they bind strongly to the receptor almost without activating it. Thus displacing strong androgens.

Feel free to drop me a private message or email if you need more info.

There's really no displacing one steroid with another, in those terms. If that were the case, you could take a ton of Tren and since it's the strongest AR binder we have available (and isn't subject to aromatization or 5a-reduction), and displace every other steroid (and their sides)....but that isn't how it works.

Also, those steroids you mention have weak, not strong, AR binding (Primo, Anavar).

But the thing everyone is overlooking is that DHT -while a very anabolic and androgenic compound (many times moreso than testosterone)- is subject to deactivation in skeletal tissue (muscle) by the enzyyme 3b-hydroxysteroid dehydrogenase. Thus in muscle, it largely renders DHT inactuve, while in other tissues, it isn't present in large amounts if at all...and this is where DHT exerts many of it's effects (your prostate, skin, scalp, etc...i.e. androgen receptive tissues which lack the 3b-HSD enzyme). This androgenic action in target tissues also explains the great hardening abilities of DHT derived steroids like Masteron, WInstrol, Anavar, etc...as well as their seemingly low effectiveness in terms of pure muscle and weight gain. Also, DHT is a strong CNS stimulant, so combine that with it's androgenic activity in target tissue, and inactivation in much of your skeletal muscle by 3b-HSD, and you have the explanation why the DHT family of steroids are usually great for strength, hardness, and aggression - but not for weight gain.

(Anadrol being the only notable exception to this rule)

 

[boxerjake]

Karma to you anthony ... as always you explain things so even i can understand lol

 

[Sanel27]

Some topics about it:

Steroids can possibly cause men to start balding if they have a genetic predisposition towards Male Pattern Baldness. The gene for baldness is thought to reside in the X chromosome exclusively, so a good general indication of whether someone is genetically predisposed towards being bald is to look at the men on their mothers side. Chances are that if the majority of them are bald, then the person will be carrying that gene too. The reason steroids can cause premature balding is that the scalp reacts to Dihydrotestosterone (DHT) quite strongly, and many steroids can either convert to DHT or are derived from it. Of course, several anti-baldness medications can prevent this, such as Finasteride and Dutesteride. This is, of course, merely a cosmetic effect, and poses no real health issues. It could be catastrophic to a potential career with any one of a number of 80´s rock bands, but other than that, I can´t really see any real problems associated with hair loss; especially since it can be avoided when proper steps are taken and certain steroids are avoided.

_________________________________________________________________

Hair loss

The use of highly androgenic steroids can negatively impact the growth of scalp hair. In fact the most common form of male pattern hair loss is directly linked to the level of androgens in such tissues, most specifically the stronger DHT metabolite of testosterone. The technical term for this type of hair loss is androgenetic alopecia, which refers to the interplay of both the male androgenic hormones and a genetic predisposition in bringing about this condition. Those who suffer from this disorder are shown to posses finer hair follicles and higher levels of DHT in comparison to a normal, hairy scalp. But since there is a genetic factor involved, many individuals will not ever see signs of this side-effect, even with very heavy steroid use. Clearly those individuals who are suffering from (or have a familial predisposition for) this type of hair loss should be very cautious when using the stronger drugs like testosterone, Anadrol 50®, Halotestin® and Dianabol.

In many instances the renewal of lost hair can be very difficult, so avoiding this side effect before it occurs is the best advice. For those who need to worry, the decision should probably be made to either stick with the milder substances (Deca-Durabolin® most favoured), or to use the ancillary drug Propecia®/Proscar® (finasteride) when taking testosterone, methyltestosterone or Halotestin. Propecia® is a very effective hair loss medication, which inhibits the 5-alpha reductase enzyme specifically in the hair follicles and prostate. This item offers us little benefit with drugs that are highly androgenic without 5alpha reduction however, the most notable offenders being Anadrol 50® and Dianabol. We must also remember also that all anabolic/androgenic steroids activate the androgen receptor, and can likewise all promote hair loss given the right dosage and conditions.

Testosterone, and other steroids convert to DHT.
DHT is more androgenic than test, and stimulates the androgen receptor -AR- more.

Keep in mind that ONLY TESTOSTERONE CONVERTS TO DHT. The other steroids convert to sustances chemicallly similar, but not identical to DHT. Some steroids become more androgenic, and other less androgenic with this conversion. Deca for example converts to a less androgenic sustance.

The best way to counteract androgenic effects, no matter if they are caused by DHT, DHT-like sustances, or unmodified steroids are:

* Use a weaker steroid with good binding for the androgen receptor, like deca, eq, primo, anavar. They will displace test and DHT off the receptor, while activating it less.

* Use finasteride to prevent from converting to DHT and DHT-like sustances.

* Use androgen receptor blockers like ciproterone, they bind strongly to the receptor almost without activating it. Thus displacing strong androgens.

Feel free to drop me a private message or email if you need more info.

That would be just about the best and shortest info you would need for DHT..........i mean sure enough there were studies and probably a book could be written about it, but the way these two bros put it its right to the point..

 

[Sanel27]

Oh yeah, anthony has a good point too.........