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dextrose on ckd diet
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I think it will be counterproductive to use dextrose post-workout on a CKD, but to each his own...
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desman, by replenishing your glycogen stores daily, you actually reduce the fat burning and anabolic effects of a ckd. Understand the principles behind a diet before you try to use it. Many people feel that ckd's do not work for them, or they lost muscle while on it. In reality the messed up the diet, and didn't actually do a ckd. If you take dextrose post workout, you will not get the best results, and to be honest with you, you are NOT doing a ckd.
i am under the assumption that the amt of carbs taken PW via dextrose would not be counted towards my daily limit of carbs and would not effect my daily carb amt range for the day. Also if it helped preserve some lean muscle mass vs a bit slower fat loss, im all game for it, as i can hopefully achieve both somewhat rather then losing fat and a great deal of muscle mass at the same time, but thnx for your side of the story
overhead
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Most dextrose I have purchased has been 5 grams or so per teaspoon.
If I were running a calorie deficiet on CKD I would not worry about glycogen until my refeed day. If you are eating a high calorie CKD then maybe go with a partial refeed. I think overall it depends on how you feel. Some versions of CKD have people do a mid week mini-refeed. I would think taking in extra dextrose would be counter-productive on a ckd while trying to burn fat.
If I were running a calorie deficiet on CKD I would not worry about glycogen until my refeed day. If you are eating a high calorie CKD then maybe go with a partial refeed. I think overall it depends on how you feel. Some versions of CKD have people do a mid week mini-refeed. I would think taking in extra dextrose would be counter-productive on a ckd while trying to burn fat.
BodyByFinaplix said:
god thank you finally... every goddamn thread is talking about replenishing muscle glycogen pw/o on ckd... the K in ckd stands for KETOSIS...in ketosis, you are utilizing fat for energy NOT glucose... henceforth you are not depending wholly on glycogen for your "energy stores" Some swear by it and it may have a legitimate ckd usage, but dextrose will NEVER be part of U]my[/U] "cKd's"
I can see a big debate starting now....
obiwan9962
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better to use lo GI to replenish
spiking insulin will throw you out of ketosis
go for a baked sweet potato
spiking insulin will throw you out of ketosis
go for a baked sweet potato
overhead
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When you first go on a CKD the reason you do not refeed for 10-14 days is to use most of the muscle/liver glygogen you are holding in order to get into ketosis. If you are refilling muscle glygogen on a regular basis then chances are you are going to slow your fat loss. Ketosis is a muscle sparing state, meaning you can run a calorie deficiet without losing a large amount of lean muscle mass. IF the point of your diet is to lose fat then I see no purpose in refilling glycogen that could cause you slow your rate of fat burning. LIke I said earlier, if the point is to lose fat than those small after workout refeeds may slow your fat loss, but if you are not running a calorie deficiet than I could understand the smaller refeeds. I also do not understand why on a diet that is muscle sparing you would want to chance bumping yourself out of ketosis while you are the most catobolic?
STEP OFF said:
overhead
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ZKaudio said:
It took me a while to figure it out. The diet goes against everything that most "experts" put out so I understand how people get confused. They come to the board and read about how important post-workout carbs are but do not realize it actually is not the best idea on a ckd to lose weight. I focus all my carbs around my workouts right now (100 grams or so), on non-workout days on average I would say I eat maybe 20-40 grams of carbs, *but* I am not trying to lose weight right now and most of the time I am eating well above my maint calorie level.
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desman said:
If you want carbs post workout you would need to switch your diet to a TKD (targeted ketogenic diet) where there is NO carb-up but a protein-up (read my TKD manual: TKD manual - Mr.X's Articles section).
Basically a TKD is an altered version of a CKD where you take in carbs either pre or post workout (I suggest pre) and it allows you to stay in ketosis; however, you will not be able to have a full carb-up w/ a TKD as you would w/ a CKD. Read my manual for protein up factors.
If your bodyfat is over 15% stick to a regular CKD w/o alterations, but if your bodyfat is under 15%, you will benefit from doing a TKD w/ modified carb-ups to keep your T4-T3 conversion and leptin levels steady.
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obiwan9962
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mr X rocks
