Dermacrine ?

[LLH]

So much talk about this product. I'm in the finishing stages of my cycle and was interested. HCG is a must and will be used. Can I drop the Nolv and Clomid and just use dermacrine in their place? It was a lenghty and somewhat heavy cycle.

16 weeks of: Test E...900mgs/week
Tren E.....750 mg/week
EQ.........900mg/week
AFIM Thru out
Have used traditional AI's in the past, but looking for something different. Any thoughts would be great. -L

 

[njmuscleguy]

The short answer is sure, you could.... but have nolva and/or clomid failed you in the past? If not, then go with what works for you..... I hated nolva...and clomid wasn't much better for me.... my past PCT's were horrific... never recovered properly... I am just finishing up Derma and Sustain.... worked pretty well so far (at least it feels like it).... I'm getting blood work on Monday to confirm if I've recovered or not. If you really wanna try something different, run the HCG ASAP, before or while the esters are clearing your system... I recommend 500iu HCG ED for 10 days. You should be running yoru AI at the same time and for 3-5 days after to keep estrogen from spiking. Then start running Sustain for 4-6 weeks. Like I said, if your "traditional" PCT's haven't worked or you're looking for something different, what the heck right?

 

[muscleup]

nj keep us posted on the labwork brotha.

The short answer is sure, you could.... but have nolva and/or clomid failed you in the past? If not, then go with what works for you..... I hated nolva...and clomid wasn't much better for me.... my past PCT's were horrific... never recovered properly... I am just finishing up Derma and Sustain.... worked pretty well so far (at least it feels like it).... I'm getting blood work on Monday to confirm if I've recovered or not. If you really wanna try something different, run the HCG ASAP, before or while the esters are clearing your system... I recommend 500iu HCG ED for 10 days. You should be running yoru AI at the same time and for 3-5 days after to keep estrogen from spiking. Then start running Sustain for 4-6 weeks. Like I said, if your "traditional" PCT's haven't worked or you're looking for something different, what the heck right?

 

[SpyWizard]

Love to see the results.. use the dermacrine sustain though, that will get the boys back in play very fast...

 

[njmuscleguy]

nj keep us posted on the labwork brotha.

Fo' sure!

 

[needtogetaas]

So much talk about this product. I'm in the finishing stages of my cycle and was interested. HCG is a must and will be used. Can I drop the Nolv and Clomid and just use dermacrine in their place? It was a lenghty and somewhat heavy cycle.

16 weeks of: Test E...900mgs/week
Tren E.....750 mg/week
EQ.........900mg/week
AFIM Thru out
Have used traditional AI's in the past, but looking for something different. Any thoughts would be great. -L

yes if hcg is used during cycle all you would need is derma sustain for pct bro.

 

[GLEN]

i love thnis derma ...can u mix at same time ...or should u do 4 weeks and then 4 weeks of the other...My sex drive is up and i mean its been dead for years off and on and im young...i did juice to young and made a few mistakes.,..lots of decca and sust and high doses with dbol and clomid pct only back in the day- so i got some of this sustain and man my balls are hurting siome weeks 2 and there dropping and i feel like i wanna have sex alot and i notice it because i am usually like a menopause women...lol

i will get both and i will also add myo/unleashed soon with it to se how far I can increase sexdrive and lean mass and nat test...

 

[D_Mac]

i love thnis derma ...can u mix at same time ...or should u do 4 weeks and then 4 weeks of the other...My sex drive is up and i mean its been dead for years off and on and im young...i did juice to young and made a few mistakes.,..lots of decca and sust and high doses with dbol and clomid pct only back in the day- so i got some of this sustain and man my balls are hurting siome weeks 2 and there dropping and i feel like i wanna have sex alot and i notice it because i am usually like a menopause women...lol

i will get both and i will also add myo/unleashed soon with it to se how far I can increase sexdrive and lean mass and nat test...

Well the difference between sustain and the original is the DHEA. Sustain has the other ingredients in a higher concentration and no DHEA. So if you use Derma original then the only reason you would add sustain would be to lower your estrogen even more. the Sustain doesn't have the DHEA cause the DHEA is an exogenous hormone and it is kind of a double edged sword, it gets test up and helps stimulate natural production to a degree, but it is also an exogenous hormone so after a while it will be suppressive. The sustain on the other hand doesn't give the same results as fast or as strong, but is a single edged sword that is going to stimulate the testes and not have any suppressive effect whatsoever.

So I guess you could mix the two, but the only reason I would see for this would be if you were coming of a highly aromatizing cycle and you wanted more AI support, so you add some sustain to the Derma Original maybe???

I think some guys would enjoy doing original Dermacrine right after cycle, this would help keep gains as you are supplementing your body with some DHEA and the andro hormones it converts to, while your natty production is at its lowest, kind of a bridge between the gear and the sustain during your weakest point. Do that for 2 or 3 weeks then jump on the sustain, and really push the natty production back up. This might not get natural production as high as fast, but it would guard against the crash in the first week or two after cycle. And this is probably what I will personally do next time I cycle.

And remember with the endocrine system in general, this goes with steriods, AI's you name it, more doesn't necessarily mean better. There is a sweet spot of how much of these drugs to use, the law of diminishing returns applies and after that your just fucking with your system.

 

[njmuscleguy]

well-said D-mac...

and that's exactly what i did... ran original Derma first to ease into PCT and avoid crash...then ran Sustain. Got bloodwork this past Monday... can't wait to see results!

 

[needtogetaas]

well-said D-mac...

and that's exactly what i did... ran original Derma first to ease into PCT and avoid crash...then ran Sustain. Got bloodwork this past Monday... can't wait to see results!

me nether....