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I've never had any problem with depression or what have you.
I've used a wide range of TCA's, NRI's, SSRI's, SSNRI's, benzos (and even crap like Gabapentin and Lyrica) for nerve pain, and saw no effect on mood. They probably don't do much to the non-depressed, I would guess.
Honestly, I don't think I even know what real "depression" is. I have never experienced it.
I've used a wide range of TCA's, NRI's, SSRI's, SSNRI's, benzos (and even crap like Gabapentin and Lyrica) for nerve pain, and saw no effect on mood. They probably don't do much to the non-depressed, I would guess.
Honestly, I don't think I even know what real "depression" is. I have never experienced it.
I have nothing to be depressed about. That itself is kinda depressing 
I blame it on fucked up hormones in both genders, seriously. We're not sad fucks, we're victims of overexposure to xenohormones. Petroleum pollution mimics estrogen and suppresses testosterone. Too little testosterone makes everyone, men and women, miserable.
Doctors are too damn quick to whip out the depression diagnosis. They did with my husband. He didn't need Lexapro or Wellbutrin, he needed HRT but the doctor's first suggestion was not to test his endocrine system but to offer him a prescription for antidepressants.
Endocrine imbalances explain why people are fatter, lazier, sadder and having more and more reproductive problems at younger and younger ages.
Doctors are too damn quick to whip out the depression diagnosis. They did with my husband. He didn't need Lexapro or Wellbutrin, he needed HRT but the doctor's first suggestion was not to test his endocrine system but to offer him a prescription for antidepressants.
Endocrine imbalances explain why people are fatter, lazier, sadder and having more and more reproductive problems at younger and younger ages.
rsnoble-im-back
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Don't have much here to be depressed about. I'm taking the next 12 months off. A typical day: get up at 8am, eat, work on house, eat, take 2 hour nap at 2pm, get up, eat, go to gym, eat, drink beer in the shop and fiddle fart around till 11 or so. Almost everyday. Except the weekends, then I ride one of my Harleys. It's hell.
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EnderJE said:
depression has nothing to do with physical accomplishments, it's a chemical imbalance in the brain.. Just b/c a lot of people envy him definately does not mean he shouldn't be depressed
the_clockwork said:
I think all women are chemically imbalanced in the brain.
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Scotsman said:
About as far from the truth as anything. Pharmaceutical companies are greedy, that I won't agrue with, hence why the pills are so expensive and have had a 300% increase over the last 10 years. BUT depression does not loom from insecurities all the time.. Not even closeto half the time. People can experience life changing events.
My best friends wife was raped and murdered, in cold blood two years ago and he went into the deepest depression I've ever seen but I'm sure it was from him being insecure about his penis size and looks
No argument with you, what you're describing is called situational depression, and it's very real.the_clockwork said:My best friends wife was raped and murdered, in cold blood two years ago and he went into the deepest depression I've ever seen but I'm sure it was from him being insecure about his penis size and looks
My point about endocrine imbalance causing emotional disturbance is addressing WTF could possibly be wrong with people who, at least for all basic intents and purposes, really have no apparent reason to BE unhappy and yet still are miserable. I just don't think chronic/recurrent depression is normal or natural, but I think the causes go beyond current conventional medicine's thought paradigms.
And I really do think GPs are far too quick to prescribe antidepressants when the patients may need other treatment/testing.
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musclemom said:
Maybe it's a societal thing. Maybe people are getting depressed comparing themselves to people they see, not in person but on TV. Fictional characters, are they the new "norm"? The people who possess more and look way better than the normal person. I think the way we depict people in media is influencing people's depression far more then general practictioners that are prescribing the stuff, most of them are shying away from prescribing to depression and referring them to psychologists who, in turn, can make a better judgement. When you deal in the health care profession and every other client is consistently complaining about depression, what first steps would you take? If drugs, which boost the economy, aren't your first choice what is? There are very few alternatives. I'd rather put people on drugs then say, suck it up, you have no need to be unhappy
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HumanTarget said:
some people lack the ability to overcome it, why should their entire life we punished for their lack of coping skills? The drug companies provide something millions want, that's the bottom line
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HumanTarget said:
or the smart ones, whichever you prefer
I've learned to never judge so I guess I'm not one to comment on your life, especially since I know nothing about you
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I've never have had it but a problem is people try to diagnose themselves with it. That's the boom in it. Maybe they depress themselves constantly telling themselves they are actually depressed. I just work int he field so know a bit about it, not from experience
i've spent about $4,000 trying to get a proper diagnosis. still haven't been given anything concrete. they basically let me pick which drug i want to take, which i think is kinda screwed up. i was given anti-D's to help combat anxiety and keep me from getting a xanax addiction, which happened anyway. i think most people got into mental health trying to help others. but, in the end, i think you wind up trying to keep yourself sane....the_clockwork said:
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HumanTarget said:
unfortunately most of those pills are addictive and habit forming which is probably why they asked you your choice. There are about 50 pills that do the same thing. You gotta have the right personality to be in this field, that's for certain
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jackangel said:
is that a true story you made up?
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jackangel said:
ya all i've been doing all night is reading stuff for work
one more thing ain't gonna hurt
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GoldenDelicious
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theres lots of schools of thought on this out there
i think a useful one to look at is that depression rates are similar in developed countries like britain, australia, the US etc and lower in places like europe
so you start thinking is it our way of life that is depressing us? (40 hour weeks are not conducive to happiness) or are we being diagnosed faster by better trianed doctors (or at least, doctors with different ideas) or eprhaps a combination of both
then you factor in a bunch of chemicals ala musclemom, then you also factor in very different diets (westerners eat very badly) which have a butterly effect in your overall mental state and then you really start getting confused lol
my personal theory is that people are trying to live outside natural law, and its mindfucking them all. natural law is basically the way things really are - that people like good food, hot sex, good sleep, and to be regarded well within a social group. the way our society is at the mo is that youre pinned into a job you dont really like, locked into the rat race where youre sacrificing all these things you really want via natural law (sleep, hot sex) in exchange for things youre taught you want (consumer good, big houses, new cars bla bla) and the gap between them basically amounts to torture
not to sound like a fightclub fanatic, but i left my home state, got away from teh pressure to own 10 houses, fast cars, fat wallet etc etc and moved to a state where i could glut in the things i really actually like - partying a lot, having lots of good looking women sprawled through my apartment, sleeping in, working relatively few hours...sure im not going to be a tycoon at this rate (althoguh the social education im getting is unbelievable) but im happier than ive ever been, and i was probably depressed (acute or major) for the preceeding 10 years of my life.
anyway lots of opinions out there are valid, but on a macro level, i like mine
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i think a useful one to look at is that depression rates are similar in developed countries like britain, australia, the US etc and lower in places like europe
so you start thinking is it our way of life that is depressing us? (40 hour weeks are not conducive to happiness) or are we being diagnosed faster by better trianed doctors (or at least, doctors with different ideas) or eprhaps a combination of both
then you factor in a bunch of chemicals ala musclemom, then you also factor in very different diets (westerners eat very badly) which have a butterly effect in your overall mental state and then you really start getting confused lol
my personal theory is that people are trying to live outside natural law, and its mindfucking them all. natural law is basically the way things really are - that people like good food, hot sex, good sleep, and to be regarded well within a social group. the way our society is at the mo is that youre pinned into a job you dont really like, locked into the rat race where youre sacrificing all these things you really want via natural law (sleep, hot sex) in exchange for things youre taught you want (consumer good, big houses, new cars bla bla) and the gap between them basically amounts to torture
not to sound like a fightclub fanatic, but i left my home state, got away from teh pressure to own 10 houses, fast cars, fat wallet etc etc and moved to a state where i could glut in the things i really actually like - partying a lot, having lots of good looking women sprawled through my apartment, sleeping in, working relatively few hours...sure im not going to be a tycoon at this rate (althoguh the social education im getting is unbelievable) but im happier than ive ever been, and i was probably depressed (acute or major) for the preceeding 10 years of my life.
anyway lots of opinions out there are valid, but on a macro level, i like mine
cheerios
nicely done.GoldenDelicious said:theres lots of schools of thought on this out there
i think a useful one to look at is that depression rates are similar in developed countries like britain, australia, the US etc and lower in places like europe
so you start thinking is it our way of life that is depressing us? (40 hour weeks are not conducive to happiness) or are we being diagnosed faster by better trianed doctors (or at least, doctors with different ideas) or eprhaps a combination of both
then you factor in a bunch of chemicals alpha lipoic acid musclemom, then you also factor in very different diets (westerners eat very badly) which have a butterly effect in your overall mental state and then you really start getting confused lol
my personal theory is that people are trying to live outside natural law, and its mindfucking them all. natural law is basically the way things really are - that people like good food, hot sex, good sleep, and to be regarded well within a social group. the way our society is at the mo is that youre pinned into a job you dont really like, locked into the rat race where youre sacrificing all these things you really want via natural law (sleep, hot sex) in exchange for things youre taught you want (consumer good, big houses, new cars bla bla) and the gap between them basically amounts to torture
not to sound like a fightclub fanatic, but i left my home state, got away from teh pressure to own 10 houses, fast cars, fat wallet etc etc and moved to a state where i could glut in the things i really actually like - partying a lot, having lots of good looking women sprawled through my apartment, sleeping in, working relatively few hours...sure im not going to be a tycoon at this rate (althoguh the social education im getting is unbelievable) but im happier than ive ever been, and i was probably depressed (acute or major) for the preceeding 10 years of my life.
anyway lots of opinions out there are valid, but on a macro level, i like mine
cheerios
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jackangel said:
which post? not done reading it yet but it's pretty morbid and dark
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the_clockwork said:
1. "is that a true story you made up?"
2. it may come across as morbid and dark, because the underlying material is often inherently so. the actual subject itself, the thing that he's trying to say, however, doesn't strike me as such. it's not really about that per se.
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jackangel said:
he draws a very vivid story, he can almost draw you in and put me next to him.
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i read this book in one of my favourite college classes ever. it was 8 years ago. i still think of it from time to time, because i've never read anything like his work before.
from that link, this excerpt is one that comes back to me:
"Twenty years later, I can still see the sunlight on Curt Lemon's face. I can see him turning, looking back at Rat Kiley, then he laughed and took that curious half step from shade into sunlight, his face brown and shining, and when his foot touched down, in that instant, he must've thought it was the sunlight that was killing him. It was not the sunlight. It was a rigged 105 round. But if I could ever get the story right, how the sun seemed to gather around him and pick him up and lift him into that tree, if I could somehow recreate the fatal whiteness of that light, the quick glare, the obvious cause and effect, then you would believe the last thing Curt Lemon believed, which for him must've been the final truth. Sunlight was killing him."
i suppose it would seem pedestrian to many, perhaps most, but to me...a paragraph like the above is haunting.
from that link, this excerpt is one that comes back to me:
"Twenty years later, I can still see the sunlight on Curt Lemon's face. I can see him turning, looking back at Rat Kiley, then he laughed and took that curious half step from shade into sunlight, his face brown and shining, and when his foot touched down, in that instant, he must've thought it was the sunlight that was killing him. It was not the sunlight. It was a rigged 105 round. But if I could ever get the story right, how the sun seemed to gather around him and pick him up and lift him into that tree, if I could somehow recreate the fatal whiteness of that light, the quick glare, the obvious cause and effect, then you would believe the last thing Curt Lemon believed, which for him must've been the final truth. Sunlight was killing him."
i suppose it would seem pedestrian to many, perhaps most, but to me...a paragraph like the above is haunting.
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jackangel said:
what book is this? I may go buy this tomorrow.. I like the way the guy writes, his descriptions, his imagry, his ability to recreate.
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jackangel said:
is the whole book like that?
how would you rate it on a scale of 1-10?
what kind of books do you usually like?
I use to hate reading in school but since I've graduated, I've become quite the avid reader
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For the purposes of order and control, our medical and psychiatric establishments (a product of democratic number driven society) have provided us with guidelines as to what are normal, correct and appropriate feelings and emotions.
Behavior outside these parameters is diagnosed as being abnormal.
Pressure to conform to these ‘standards’ comes not only from ourselves, but is influenced to some extent by external factors (government, media, drug manufacturers, public attitude, medical professionals…etc).
The result is mass modification of behavior and mentation through the use of prescribed drugs.
These drugs can increase the quality of life for those with genuine mental disorder.
The issue of medical necessity arises when genuine psychological disorder is confused with perfectly normal human responses to life which include stress and feelings of sadness and anxiety.
Go to a dentist and he’ll tell you, you need fillings, go to an optician and he’ll tell you, you need contacts.
Throwing drugs at a problem without taking the time to fully understand and diagnose is the current trend, the path of least resistance and what the public expects.
Visit your doctor or psychiatrist and you’ll most probably return with a prescription.
Some might feel duped if they walked away without one.
Behavior outside these parameters is diagnosed as being abnormal.
Pressure to conform to these ‘standards’ comes not only from ourselves, but is influenced to some extent by external factors (government, media, drug manufacturers, public attitude, medical professionals…etc).
The result is mass modification of behavior and mentation through the use of prescribed drugs.
These drugs can increase the quality of life for those with genuine mental disorder.
The issue of medical necessity arises when genuine psychological disorder is confused with perfectly normal human responses to life which include stress and feelings of sadness and anxiety.
Go to a dentist and he’ll tell you, you need fillings, go to an optician and he’ll tell you, you need contacts.
Throwing drugs at a problem without taking the time to fully understand and diagnose is the current trend, the path of least resistance and what the public expects.
Visit your doctor or psychiatrist and you’ll most probably return with a prescription.
Some might feel duped if they walked away without one.
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the_clockwork said:About as far from the truth as anything. Pharmaceutical companies are greedy, that I won't agrue with, hence why the pills are so expensive and have had a 300% increase over the last 10 years. BUT depression does not loom from insecurities all the time.. Not even closeto half the time. People can experience life changing events.
My best friends wife was raped and murdered, in cold blood two years ago and he went into the deepest depression I've ever seen but I'm sure it was from him being insecure about his penis size and looks
I was referring to the fact that the first thing docs do is prescribe prozac or xanax or whatever without really seeing if the person needs meds or not. No one looks into therapy or possible other problems that can be solved without drugs. I never meant to insinuate that there isn't such a thing as depression. I was alleterating to the fact of why he knows so many people on meds.
The other thing is pharm companies don't ever look into curing things because treatment is so much more profitable.
Cheers,
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Therapists are usually the ones who refer to psychiatrists. The psychiatrists then look over your case and prior records and after a brief consultation, begin a trial & error method of discovering what will work with you. The people receiving this treatment are usually in such a state that they are too intimidated or helpless feeling that they only offer what is wrong with their life & not what they would like to get out of it or what to expect from the medications.Scotsman said:
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Navada said:
I agree completely. Plus we are an instant gratification society and people want instant results for a problem that has taken years to create. I know lots of people on depression meds and they don't seem to get any better. I also know some who stopped taking their meds met with a therapist and are doing so much better. There are people who need meds but they aren't a cure it's a treatment and it rarely progresses beyond that point.
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Very much so. The physical side effects of certain medications are unbearable. They leave you listless, stealing away any lust for life you may have previously had. So, the need for human contact seems to be the true cure, imo. Or, at least the need to experience life, good or bad.Scotsman said:
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HumanTarget said:
Some of us do whether we like it or not. My children and I are VERY depressed. I at least have my husband to help get me out of bed and TRY to live another day. My girls on the other hand have but an abusive prick, a host of uncaring and hostile adults surrounding them telling them to "suck it up and stop being babies and just accept the fact that you will NEVER live with your mother", and pretty much no one...
Can you all imagine the pain they endure daily not only because of that but because of the stigma attached to their circumstance, "How come you don't live with/or ever see your mother?"
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I've only had situational depression. For example, I was depressed when my mom died and when I got divorced and some other times. I've never been depressed other than the typical times people get depressed.
I think that some people are more prone to depression than others, and it is nothing new. We just now medicate more for it. Maybe had they known how to treat depression better back in the day, my grandfather would still be with us. He committed suicide.
I think that some people are more prone to depression than others, and it is nothing new. We just now medicate more for it. Maybe had they known how to treat depression better back in the day, my grandfather would still be with us. He committed suicide.
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HumanTarget said:
Darlin, what good will my ex dropping dead do when my children will have grown up in this situation? Will THAT pain ever go away? Will we EVER get those years back? I am sure you can imagine what their lives have been and are like. One of my girls has already seriously contemplated suicide. At least I have only heard about it from one but that doesn't mean that they all haven't or won't consider it.
And I am not getting muscle, bone and damaged organs back either.
My greatest fear is that IF and when I get my girls back it will be too late for me to even have a role in their lives, both literally and figuratively. Yes, my body is breaking down too so I am very well aware of my mortality.
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HumanTarget said:
God, I just want to die so badly. But I can't because then I will never know if I can get them back in time for us to have a life and that just isn't fair to them.
I truly feel my husband ruined his life by marrying me. He is such a good man and deserves so much better than I can give.
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I've always thought of my meds as an assist in the process but certainly not a "cure." They help with some of the things I can't control but quite a bit is still left to me as far as doing the work myself. They make a seemingly insurmountable task seem a little bit less insurmountable. But they don't take away the task completely.
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lol...no doubt!HumanTarget said:
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This is a pic that I just found in my 13 1/2 y/o Kristina's email box.
She took this pic of herself just the other day. I believe it was on Mother's Day.
She took this pic of herself just the other day. I believe it was on Mother's Day.
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nefertiti said:
I was LIVID when I found out that her father had a shrink put her on anti-anxiety/anti-depressants and bipolar medication along with her 12 y/o sister.
WTF?!?!?
Poison my children?
Odd, though the kids had trouble sleeping and stomach trouble (like me) it was due to the fact that he kept taking them away from me. They NEVER needed drugs. I mean we could forget our troubles and eat and sleep. Since they were taken away NONE of us can eat or sleep. What THE FUCK kind of mental health professional could perscribe drugs to children knowing they are depressed because they were taken from their mother and forced to live with an abusive ass? I gu/ess just one reason why he has to keep switching doctors so frequently
How bout calling DYFUS or the court and maybe giving them back?
And bi-polar meds?! WTF WTF WTF?!?!?! NONE of my kids is bipolar. If I had even the slightest suspicion I would put the pills down my kids' throat personally.
There are so many fucked up things about this situation. But I have to pull my head out of my ass and keep pressing forward to fix it.
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rsnoble-im-back said:
hell you work way harder than BM she actually has to drive 20 minutes to get her nails and hair done!
her typical day.
get up sometime, chat on EF. chat on EF.
the the next day is pretty much the same except some shopping thrown in to kill time.
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BIKINIMOM said:
your husband is a pussy! go out side and dig some gold! God knows ya need some.
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samoth said:Don't worry, your daughter's just a fan of Shawn Michaels, the Heart Break Kid!!
Is that a bad thing?
Never heard of the guy.... Is that like a Marilyn Mason type dood?
*hides head in shame*
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Grumpy Old Man said:your husband is a pussy! go out side and dig some gold! God knows ya need some.
No, my husband EATS good pussy.
Get is right.... will ya?!
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BIKINIMOM said:No, my husband EATS good pussy.
Get is right.... will ya?!
yeah yeah yeah.... I coulda ad a buffett Sat night. but...... NOOOO!
YOUR HUSBAND IS A PUSSY!
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Grumpy Old Man said:
Yea, she was a hottie for sure.
Of course, "You guys swingers?"
NO NO NO NO
*sigh*
What is up with peeps? What part of "NO" don't they understand? I am still trying to figure out why everyone thinks we do.
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BIKINIMOM said:Yea, she was a hottie for sure.
Of course, "You guys swingers?"
NO NO NO NO
*sigh*
What is up with peeps? What part of "NO" don't they understand? I am still trying to figure out why everyone thinks we do.
CAUSE SHE WAS NEKKID IN THE HOT TUB!
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Grumpy Old Man said:
Now stop yer lyin'.
She was NOT nekkid....
and neither was I.
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Depression is certainly overdiagnosed........
however, it varies from person to person. Situational depression will always occur...no matter who you are really. If something traumatic happens in your life, it will completely warp your reality. Medication can definetely help during that period of time.
For those who are chronically/manicly depressed, alot has to do with their self image and core belief system. Certain people are more prone to have chemical imbalances for sure, but often the root of the depression is derived from a distorted perception of reality or themselves. How many people do you meet with tons of REAL self esteem, that love their lives, that are depressed? I couldn't name 1
Victim thinking also doesn't help...and often, internally...we feel like the victim when we're depressed.
I'm a big believer in cognitive therapy....you have to replace the engine if you want the hoopty to run smooth
The meds help, but WAYYYYYYYY too many side effect and can easily make you a zombie. Often the meds are prescribed without addressing the underlying problem. If you can change your thought patterns and the way you view things, it can dramatically alter the way you feel about life. it's not easy, it takes time and you need professional help....but it's the only real way to address depression
Best route is to go w/ something natural that actually helps. Sam-E is possibly the greatest OTC thing ever for depression (although in europe it has to be prescribed)
- Formerly depressed person
however, it varies from person to person. Situational depression will always occur...no matter who you are really. If something traumatic happens in your life, it will completely warp your reality. Medication can definetely help during that period of time.
For those who are chronically/manicly depressed, alot has to do with their self image and core belief system. Certain people are more prone to have chemical imbalances for sure, but often the root of the depression is derived from a distorted perception of reality or themselves. How many people do you meet with tons of REAL self esteem, that love their lives, that are depressed? I couldn't name 1
Victim thinking also doesn't help...and often, internally...we feel like the victim when we're depressed.
I'm a big believer in cognitive therapy....you have to replace the engine if you want the hoopty to run smooth
The meds help, but WAYYYYYYYY too many side effect and can easily make you a zombie. Often the meds are prescribed without addressing the underlying problem. If you can change your thought patterns and the way you view things, it can dramatically alter the way you feel about life. it's not easy, it takes time and you need professional help....but it's the only real way to address depression
Best route is to go w/ something natural that actually helps. Sam-E is possibly the greatest OTC thing ever for depression (although in europe it has to be prescribed)
- Formerly depressed person
