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JKurz1

JKurz1

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Didn't know where to post, so I'll try here too.....

I am starting my first cycle since HRT next Monday (4 years)....I know it's not a good idea, but at age 30 Ii want to compete in 2 years.....I'm t6'2, 170 now....prob. 10%%

My question is this, I am def. taking the weekend off instead of the tnrie week (would go nuts), should I almost decondtion, relax my joints, etc for the pounding no holds barred next week? Meaning instead of heacy 6-8 range (today for deads is usually 5 of 5) should I move everything to thr 10-12-15 range.........would this help? Make sense? Still build mass>? I always incorpate that range in all my training days, but this is for evey exercise
 
at 30 you should be doing set of 10 or 12 all the time. lower reps tear your joints aprt, and the size/strength u gain from the low reps is fake. you get 3 sets of ten consistantly and you are getting strong. for ex: last nght i did 3 x 10 reps with 315 on bench. now it is time to move up. i could have tripled 350 0r 365 but why risk it. i should tell u that a year ago i could barely get 225 for 10, cuz my joints hurt so bad and muscles felt flat. i am finishing HRT consisting of 2 hgh kits and some gear.
 
yeah there is no guideline to mass or cutting. i gained 30 with 150mg of deca every 10 days, all sets of 10. 6-8 reps is fake mass, 10-12 is quality, stuff you keep. look at all the big dudes, pros, etc do liter weights, high reps.

i am 6'2" 260 10 % bf on all sets of 10 thruout my work out......no diet
 
try eating more calories then your body needs to maintain.
stop making threads, just fucking eat already.
 
fake mass at any rep reange. wow. i guess all of this mass i have is fake, because i go down as far as doubles or triples on major compund movements.
 
saying 10-12 is the only ay and 6-8 are NOT what the pros use is absurd bro.........10-12 is endurance!
 
jochensa said:
yeah there is no guideline to mass or cutting. i gained 30 with 150mg of deca every 10 days, all sets of 10. 6-8 reps is fake mass, 10-12 is quality, stuff you keep. look at all the big dudes, pros, etc do liter weights, high reps.

i am 6'2" 260 10 % bf on all sets of 10 thruout my work out......no diet
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WOW, what have I been doing all these years. lol
 
haha you guys dont look that good. 10-12 is not endurance. low reps will gt you hurt

any questions?

do 10 12 reps if you want to gain quality size.
 
JKurz1 said:
Didn't know where to post, so I'll try here too.....

I am starting my first cycle since HRT next Monday (4 years)....I know it's not a good idea, but at age 30 Ii want to compete in 2 years.....I'm t6'2, 170 now....prob. 10%%

My question is this, I am def. taking the weekend off instead of the tnrie week (would go nuts), should I almost decondtion, relax my joints, etc for the pounding no holds barred next week? Meaning instead of heacy 6-8 range (today for deads is usually 5 of 5) should I move everything to thr 10-12-15 range.........would this help? Make sense? Still build mass>? I always incorpate that range in all my training days, but this is for evey exercise
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BTW bro you are kinda small. obviously all the 6-8's arent working. then again the reason i hate the sport (bodybuilding and fitness world) is cuz everyone is a know it all and no one has done a thing.

and it shows
 
jochensa said:
haha you guys dont look that good. 10-12 is not endurance. low reps will gt you hurt

any questions?

do 10 12 reps if you want to gain quality size.
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yea overtrain your muscle and you burn muscle...... you should write your own book
 
jochensa said:
haha you guys dont look that good. 10-12 is not endurance. low reps will gt you hurt

any questions?

do 10 12 reps if you want to gain quality size.
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Yeah and I guess the 5x5 program is just a bunch of nonsense... :rolleyes:
 
jochensa said:
haha you guys dont look that good. 10-12 is not endurance. low reps will gt you hurt

any questions?

do 10 12 reps if you want to gain quality size.
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Been doing fine for the past 10 years with low reps. No lifting injuries yet. Its helped me get up to 5'9 at 210, but obviously i'm a retard.
 
ViperHMS said:
Been doing fine for the past 10 years with low reps. No lifting injuries yet. Its helped me get up to 5'9 at 210, but obviously i'm a retard.
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come on viper just give up one of your sources, i know you have one just kidding haha

i will give you this 5'9" is a perfect frame for long term bodybuilding. us tall guys joints go if we go too heavy too often. my buddy is 5'9" used to strong as an ox benched like 525 au natural.. but now he can barely handle 315 after years of working out, he is 36......just like me. and i am the using 315 for reps now just like he was then. cuz i never went heavy. we both have been lfting since where 12 off and on of course..............24yrs

anway low reps=short term goals consisting of peaks and plateaus. U will get strong but the stregnth is fake, only there cuz u handle the weight on the regular. I peak thru diet and supp's. I never plateau

BTW my pic in my profile is a au natural before pic
 
As with diet, cardio or mass I think you benefit most from keeping the body guessing. Switch up rep goal every couple/few weeks will do just that and the lighter weeks will allow your tendons/ligaments time to recover from the heaveir weeks.

P.S I moved this thread to the training forum.
 
Zyglamail said:
As with diet, cardio or mass I think you benefit most from keeping the body guessing. Switch up rep goal every couple/few weeks will do just that and the lighter weeks will allow your tendons/ligaments time to recover from the heaveir weeks.

P.S I moved this thread to the training forum.
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WHY WHY WHY???? Why must you move more Jkurz threads over for us to read? High reps are good, low reps are good, JUST ADD SOME FRIGGIN WEIGHT TO THE BAR AND EAT.
 
jochensa said:
at 30 you should be doing set of 10 or 12 all the time. lower reps tear your joints aprt, and the size/strength u gain from the low reps is fake. you get 3 sets of ten consistantly and you are getting strong. for ex: last nght i did 3 x 10 reps with 315 on bench. now it is time to move up. i could have tripled 350 0r 365 but why risk it. i should tell u that a year ago i could barely get 225 for 10, cuz my joints hurt so bad and muscles felt flat. i am finishing HRT consisting of 2 hgh kits and some gear.
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There are a number of ridiculous comments above, but the bolded one is the winner for sure.

Could you kindly explain what 'fake mass' is?
 
OK, this has got to be one of the funniest things I've ever read online, given the context of your other horrendously flawed nuggets of 'knowledge':

jochensa said:
then again the reason i hate the sport (bodybuilding and fitness world) is cuz everyone is a know it all and no one has done a thing.

and it shows
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Yeah, 260 and 10% bf makes you an elite bodybuilder. You'd blow everyone else off the stage at the Olympia. Ronnie WHO??? Jay WHAT???

PLEASE explain to us how mass can be 'fake'; I am dying to explore the depths of your stupidity.
 
Guinness5.0 said:
OK, this has got to be one of the funniest things I've ever read online, given the context of your other horrendously flawed nuggets of 'knowledge':



Yeah, 260 and 10% bf makes you an elite bodybuilder. You'd blow everyone else off the stage at the Olympia. Ronnie WHO??? Jay WHAT???

PLEASE explain to us how mass can be 'fake'; I am dying to explore the depths of your stupidity.
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does this look like 260?

http://www.elitefitness.com/forum/member.php?userid=141060

but yea, even i'm waiting to hear what he means by "fake mass". is that some kind of implant?!
 
At over 7'6" he could be.

I sometimes wish that some of the mass that prevents my belt moving in a notch or two were fake.
 
Guinness5.0 said:
OK, this has got to be one of the funniest things I've ever read online, given the context of your other horrendously flawed nuggets of 'knowledge':



Yeah, 260 and 10% bf makes you an elite bodybuilder. You'd blow everyone else off the stage at the Olympia. Ronnie WHO??? Jay WHAT???

PLEASE explain to us how mass can be 'fake'; I am dying to explore the depths of your stupidity.
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jeez like the quote read above, the BF's of the pro are way lower than 10% guys sorry to say. I mean i was competing at 5.3% playing football. with no diet.......going to class, etc. u guys don't know dick and it shows.

but fake mass, would be mass that you can't maintain w/out following a %/peak routine. a week at high reps and the mass is gone....comprende'

dont worry i will post all the after pics and diet/routine soon. you should follow and learn. 260 with abs, gotta love it!!!
 
BTW, jochensa, you're wrong. Maybe you've found it to be so for yourself and are just generalizing to others. That's typically wrong, too.
 
wrong about what the fact u will deflat after a week of higher reps. i just know i gain quality weight on my routine. and eveyone that is small does the old skool 5x5 routine to gain weight.
 
Is this discussion going anywhere? If not can we get back on topic, please. Congrats on finding something that works for you, jochansa.
 
hey i can only tell you what works/ed for me. i have been in the game for a while and see alot of guys try low reps to get big. my gradual process seems to be working. it has since i was 12. but the low rep thing seems to not work for everyone around me is all.

if i was going to prepare for a max, i would do some ramp up routine to get used to handling the weight. the end result is just strength not size
 
i just re read the original post. he asks "should i go from 6-8 to 10-12 for deconditioning." you replied that he should be doing 10-12 for anyway because 6-8 is *low rep* and strength/size you get from doing so is *fake*. that is dog shit! on both counts!
 
Has anyone pointed him to the Dave Gulledge thread yet?

jochensa, you sound like someone who is still in their first year or two of training and haven't tried much yet. Apologies if that's not so but that's how you're coming across. Take a look at some of the many vids floating around of strength athletes. You tend not to find any small and successful strength athletes. They might be carrying a lot of fat, since that does help with lifts, but they also carry huge amounts of muscle.

Top Olympic lifters generally start at around 350 ish. You might dislike the look but don't suggest that they're small.
 
no doubt they are strong, and no i dont like the look. i did say in my last post if i was goign to max or total on the regular. i would handle heavier weight. like all the greats b4 me i tend to rustle a few feathers with my training techs.
 
jochensa said:
no doubt they are strong, and no i dont like the look. i did say in my last post if i was goign to max or total on the regular. i would handle heavier weight. like all the greats b4 me i tend to rustle a few feathers with my training techs.
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are you an alter?
 
3 pages of shit........why not just say, incorpate all rep ranges in every session.......first exerc. goe as low as 4-5, then as the session progresses, incorporate higher reps....
 
Sorry, man this seems to happen with a controversial poster like yourself. You seem to have a talent for provoking contentious threads that members can't help but look in on and get dragged into. I don't know where we'd be without you and your insistant questioning of things that so many just take for granted or dismiss as obvious.
 
i dont know guys i tend not to agree with the majority, but then again i dont look like tho majority do i. you guys take more gear in one cycle than i take in a year. and still i am left thoruoghly unimpressed by the physiques and numbers you guys acheive. i know i am new here but i will be here for a while. baaaaa to all you sheep, the sheperd in online.
 
jochensa said:
but fake mass, would be mass that you can't maintain w/out following a %/peak routine. a week at high reps and the mass is gone....comprende'
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I've been using nothing less than 12 reps for the last two weeks. Before that I was using a PL protocol where I focused on singles for the main lifts and did accessory work in the 5-ish rep range. I have yet to deflate and based on past experience it's not a concern.

There are two main types of hypertrophy: myofibral and sarcoplasmic. Myofibril is growth of the muscle fibers themselves and is best stimulated in the lower rep ranges (4-8 is what I've seen as the example, though I would guess that there is some individual variance, not to mention the role workload plays, but I digress). Sarcoplasmic hypertrophy is growth of areas of the cells that fuel work. This is typically said to be stimulated in the higher rep ranges and is heavily influenced by the diet (i.e. why people look so flat when carb depleted then swell right back up after a carb-up).

The funny thing about your comments is that it's widely accepted that myofibral hypertrophy is 'real' gain that sticks around longer and is more responsible for strength gains, while sarcoplasmic hypertrophy can diminish and return based on diet and other factors.

So basically what you said is completely wrong and you stated it as though it were written in stone by God himself.

I'm gonna pass on the diet/training advice. But thanks for the offer :)
 
dont you have a guiness to drink? anyway i think you may read too much bro. thank you for the cut and paste tho. the % of strength loss really cant be compared. in reality your overall (low rep) will not be affected should you stop training. and of course you will lose reps if you stop training and look like shit after. high reps are used to acheive a big look that stays thru conditioning. if you stop you lose the look. so my point being you overall strength will not be affected as a whole if you switch to high reps from low reps. but you will appear to deflate, or lose size in the mirror, its inevitable (spelling police shove it). 2 diff types of training, mine yeilds better long term results.
 
jochensa said:
in that pic yep....i shit you not. not feet big legs, i work on getting them smaller, doesnt work
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Take your own advice: just do some low rep work for a while, then do high reps for a week and watch 'em deflate :FRlol: .
 
mass is already there bro, just need to condition it. 1min sets is the next phase for legs. jeez post a pic god. oh and mad dips u are like a buck 75. that was me in 9th grade for gods sake.
 
I have always had probs with my legs, too big too fast. led to alot of pulls in college playing ball. IE on my 1st day of squats i get cramps/pins and needles after 1 set with 135........sucks
 
when moving threads from the AAS forum please wipe throughly to ensure you don't leave behind any little nuggets (not of wisdom) attatched.

I'm impressed that someone found a way to make a jkurz thread even worse.
 
jochensa said:
mass is already there bro, just need to condition it. 1min sets is the next phase for legs. jeez post a pic god. oh and mad dips u are like a buck 75. that was me in 9th grade for gods sake.
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hey don't go making assumptions, I was on a long layoff. and my gains are going up just fine after starting back up. don't worry, I'll catch up to you in no time, without your "high reps" BS
 
jochensa said:
I have always had probs with my legs, too big too fast. led to alot of pulls in college playing ball. IE on my 1st day of squats i get cramps/pins and needles after 1 set with 135........sucks
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Where did you play college ball bro?
 
jochensa said:
come on viper just give up one of your sources, i know you have one just kidding haha

i will give you this 5'9" is a perfect frame for long term bodybuilding. us tall guys joints go if we go too heavy too often. my buddy is 5'9" used to strong as an ox benched like 525 au natural.. but now he can barely handle 315 after years of working out, he is 36......just like me. and i am the using 315 for reps now just like he was then. cuz i never went heavy. we both have been lfting since where 12 off and on of course..............24yrs

anway low reps=short term goals consisting of peaks and plateaus. U will get strong but the stregnth is fake, only there cuz u handle the weight on the regular. I peak thru diet and supp's. I never plateau

BTW my pic in my profile is a au natural before pic
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Damn I forgot about this thread. I'm not a bodybuilder, I am more in it for the strength. I like being strong.

As we can all see you are basing all your knowledge on what works for YOU. Everyone is different. I work with low reps, low sets. I do maybe 4x6 or 3x6 on my core lifts. It has worked very well for me. My mass is REAL contrary to your belief. Regardless if you do high volume or low volume, if you leave from working out for an extended time, yeah you will lose strength, thats just a simple fact. 2 of my profile pics are all natural, the ones where I dont look sunburnt and i'm ~40lbs lighter than the other two pics .
 
the reality of it all was i get hurt using low reps heavy. elbows, pec, shoulder. like i said i am doing more now than i was @ 24. i dont know maybe i am a lil more pissed off on the regular these days haha
 
why this isn't in the Best of EF Grooming En Espanol forum yet, i have no idea.

can anyone help me with my synthol injections? jkurz, what kind of routine is best for a synthol-only cycle? i think high volume is the right approach.
 
You'll get over it. I was accused of being an alter within a short while of first posting here, too. 'Alter" - "alternate" or "alternative".

Would you believe that some guys go to the lengths of creating extra usernames so that they can chat with themselves online?
 
jochensa said:
dont make wipe TX off the map. i dont see no horns.........u know the rest :jenscat
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If that is you in the picture I would just be quiet, focus on eating, maybe try weight training, and then eat again. Or do you have a Figure Comp coming up?
 
al420 said:
If that is you in the picture I would just be quiet, focus on eating, maybe try weight training, and then eat again. Or do you have a Figure Comp coming up?
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haha u are the best 420. that is my b4 pic. that is awesome!!!!

:Popcorn:
 
ViperHMS said:
Hell yeah, cause if we stop it, then we will all deflate. I'm doing low rep posts.
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just hook me up with your source or veronika zemonova (avatar girl)? JK bros
 
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jochensa said:
just hook me up with your source or veronika zemonova (avatar girl)? JK bros
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LOL, you know, i'm not sure about my avi pic. I've got a shit load of her pics, but cannot seem to find that one under her pics at the moment. You bastard now this is going to bug the shit out of me til I find out who it is. Where is my DAMIT TOOL so I can sling it across the room.
 
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