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Deciding on a detox

hanselthecaretaker

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I want to be cleaned up by Sunday.

I drank a bottle of Ex-lax before that did the trick, and was back to normal in a couple days. I also read eating nothing but fresh fruit/juice for three days is basically just as effective. I've been feeling sluggish for a couple weeks now even with enough sleep. The fruit thing seems like it would take too long though. I'm leaning towards buying a bottle of Ex-lax tomorrow, so by Sunday I should feel like I have a completely new body.
 
nycgirl said:
Its like an enema, but they go further in and cleanse your intestines. You can walk out of there at least 10lbs lighter.

You've got to be shitting me (no pun intended). RU saying that's there's 10 lbs. of shit stuck up in our intestines that won't come out without being sucked out? I mean, I thought taking a dump did that.
 
biteme said:
You've got to be shitting me (no pun intended). RU saying that's there's 10 lbs. of shit stuck up in our intestines that won't come out without being sucked out? I mean, I thought taking a dump did that.

No, not really. Your intestines can hold a lot of junk. Stuff gets built up in there (along the walls). A good cleanse and a colonic gets rid of all of that.

I do a juice/fruit fast every 3 months to cleanse. I never done a colonic, but I have looked into it.
 
nycgirl said:
No, not really. Your intestines can hold a lot of junk. Stuff gets built up in there (along the walls). A good cleanse and a colonic gets rid of all of that.

I do a juice/fruit fast every 3 months to cleanse. I never done a colonic, but I have looked into it.

I've never heard of this. I can see where a machine might clean the walls, but how would eating fruit and drinking fruit juice clean the walls of your colon?

Does this explain why some people have shit breath? LOL
 
biteme said:
I've never heard of this. I can see where a machine might clean the walls, but how would eating fruit and drinking fruit juice clean the walls of your colon?

Does this explain why some people have shit breath? LOL

It can if you are on it longer (more than a few days.). The fast also releases toxins out of your skin.

W/ regard to your intestines, the machine is quicker.
 
Mix together two Tbs of lemon juice and pure maple syrup, mix with either warm water or cold (I prefer cold) and sprinkle cayenne pepper on top.

This recepe is a cleanser, and it tastes excellent, I always drink one 'the morning after' and I feel like a million bucks afterwards.
 
pdaddy said:
Mix together two Tbs of lemon juice and pure maple syrup, mix with either warm water or cold (I prefer cold) and sprinkle cayenne pepper on top.

This recepe is a cleanser, and it tastes excellent, I always drink one 'the morning after' and I feel like a million bucks afterwards.

The morning after what? I find this fascinating.
 
nycgirl said:
Biteme, you never heard of the different methods people use to cleanse/detox?

I've heard of it, but not what ya'll are describing. Having a tube placed up your ass to suck the shit out? LOL. Not saying it doesn't work, but I've never heard of it. I read on a quackery site that a lot of the so called colon cleansing/detoxifying products are a ripoff.
 
pdaddy said:
LMFAO, dood...I can't take any of your posts seriously with you crotch starring me in the face, wtf

That's why I have avatars turned off. If it isn't someone's ass then its their crotch.
 
pdaddy said:
LMFAO, dood...I can't take any of your posts seriously with you crotch starring me in the face, wtf

LOLLOLLOLLOL!!!!
 
nycgirl said:
That's why I have avatars turned off. If it isn't someone's ass then its their crotch.

I don't have that leisure. His crotch hasn't gotten this much attention since he was slipped a roofie at the "Mirth and Girth" nightclub.
 
I would like to try this colon cleanse, but fasting isn't condusive to the bodybuilding lifestyle. No protein and almost no calories for 3 days? I'd lose 5 to 10 lbs of muscle. I guess I'd have to go with the shit sucking machine.
 
biteme said:
I would like to try this colon cleanse, but fasting isn't condusive to the bodybuilding lifestyle. No protein and almost no calories for 3 days? I'd lose 5 to 10 lbs of muscle. I guess I'd have to go with the shit sucking machine.

It would be a good thing to incorporate after a bulking cycle. Try that drink though, you won't be dissapointed.
 
pdaddy said:
I don't have that leisure. His crotch hasn't gotten this much attention since he was slipped a roofie at the "Mirth and Girth" nightclub.

:lmao:

Well, I guess if the ladies can do it, so can the guys.

Biteme, you can find a place near you online
 
nycgirl said:
:lmao:

Well, I guess if the ladies can do it, so can the guys.

Biteme, you can find a place near you online

Thanks babe! And turn your avatars back on and look at my crotch!
 
nycgirl said:
That's why I have avatars turned off. If it isn't someone's ass then its their crotch.

I like the native girl in your avatar.

Very 'urban-forest-pocahanntis' of you.
 
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Read about our Colon Cleansing Programme

Volume 2, Issue 9, Article 1, October 2001

Is Colon Cleansing Really Necessary?

Oh yes. Definitely.

Can scientists prove it?

Well... not really. In fact, they argue about it. You'll just have to make your own mind up about it!

A major factor for me is this...


A Little Regularity Is Not Good Enough
If you go to the doctor - in the UK at least - they will say that having one bowel movement a day, or even one every two days or three days is normal. 'Normal' meaning it has no detrimental implications for health.

I strongly disagree.

The Colon - and the bladder - are the 'sewage systems' of the body. They need to be working efficiently to get waste products out of the body.

My question to doctors is: Why should food waste from one meal wait somewhere to be joined by food waste from several other meals - before being ejected from the body? Where's the hold-up? And Why? Or is it just that we've trained ourselves over the years by habit?

Of course we have trained ourselves. But though a measure of control over our anal sphincter muscles is socially necessary, we shouldn't take it to extreme.

When you feel the urge to go - you should go. Unless you absolutely cannot - in which case you should go as soon as you possibly can thereafter.


Rule Of Thumb
Here is an easy rule of thumb to use as a guide:

You Should Have The Same Number Of Bowel Movements A Day As Meals You Eat.

If you eat twice a day - two bowel movements. If you eat three times a day - three.

Animals don't hold on to their food waste for the day. Some may think of them as unsophisticated in this respect. I would call them 'good and healthy'. We didn't used to over-control our bowel movements when we were hunter-gatherers - we went in the woods whenever we felt the urge.


A Major Benefit of Colon Cleansing
To me, one of the big health benefits of Colon Cleansing comes from the fact that it gets people 'going' around as often as they eat.

From a common sense point of view, this means that waste products are in the body for the least time possible. Once they have been funnelled through to the Colon - they are got rid of rapidly. So our vital 'waste disposal' system is working efficiently, benefiting health.

If you are holding on to one meal's food waste to wait for the next meal before ejecting it - then one part of the Colon must be acting as a reservoir, or 'holding tank'. This is not what the Colon is designed for. The 'peristaltic' muscles in the Colon wall are designed to keep rippling - rather like an earthworm moves - to keep the food waste moving towards, and out of, the exit.

This 'peristalsis' - the movement of the peristaltic muscles - is what Colon Cleansing appears to get working more efficiently. Once it is working - it tends to stay working. Which is why you must keep up Colon Cleansing for the whole course; then ease it off slightly; then leave it off altogether. This may take 9-12 months in total (occasionally longer). But once done, the Colon will then happily work away by itself, with perhaps a couple of months help (further herbal support) every 18-24 months or so.


Isn't Going Three Times A Day Inconvenient?
It depends how you look at it.

I have used Colon Cleansing for patients since 1981. I have seen the health of many of them improve - a whole diverse range of symptoms - through this method of healthcare. So I am absolutely convinced that Colon Cleansing supports good health.

To me, NOT going three times a day is likely to make you unwell. So I see going three times a day as being like breathing, eating, drinking and exercise - part of a normal healthy lifestyle.

Once you get used to it - you won't think about it.


Do The Basic Things To Keep Yourself Healthy
Colon Cleansing - along with Liver Cleansing - is one of the 'basics' of good health. Whatever other health measures you may be using; add on Colon Cleansing if you haven't done it already.

It will help you live longer, live healthier, and avoid the serious disease which kills most of us in older age.

I cannot guarantee this. I cannot scientifically prove it. But I feel it very strongly; and common sense supports it.

It's your life; what do you think?


If you agree with me - then pop over to
www.specialist-herbal.com/html/colon_cleansing.html

or
www.momentum98.com/holistic.html

or any other sites that talk about Colon Cleansing.

Check out Karen Kingston's article, 'Why you need to clean your colon', at:
www.alternative-healthzine.com/html/1200_1.html

Or see background articles and information at
colonhealth.net/


Best wishes

And please - don't undervalue Colon Cleansing when you are
thinking about safeguarding your long-term good health.


Malcolm


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According to this article, I should be taking 5 dumps per day. I do not believe that.
 
This colon cleansing thing is certainly debatable. IMEO, it has benefits for certain people. If your crap begins to stink more than usual, you could probably benefit from a colon cleansing. Today, my cousin's daughter was telling me that water is just as effective as coffee in keeping people alert. She just graduated from TCU with a business law degree. I know that's not true, but the girl was so pretty, that I just couldn't argue with her. Any of you guys ever feel this way?
 
biteme said:
This colon cleansing thing is certainly debatable. IMEO, it has benefits for certain people. If your crap begins to stink more than usual, you could probably benefit from a colon cleansing. Today, my cousin's daughter was telling me that water is just as effective as coffee in keeping people alert. She just graduated from TCU with a business law degree. I know that's not true, but the girl was so pretty, that I just couldn't argue with her. Any of you guys ever feel this way?

How in the hell did we get from talking about cleaning your shit trap to fuckin how you feel about a women.

:chomp:
 
biteme said:
This colon cleansing thing is certainly debatable. IMEO, it has benefits for certain people. If your crap begins to stink more than usual, you could probably benefit from a colon cleansing. Today, my cousin's daughter was telling me that water is just as effective as coffee in keeping people alert. She just graduated from TCU with a business law degree. I know that's not true, but the girl was so pretty, that I just couldn't argue with her. Any of you guys ever feel this way?

Biteme, is that what you think of me? LOL
 
nycgirl said:
Biteme, is that what you think of me? LOL

I think you are a doll. Not afraid to speak your mind and I admire that. But, you still need to turn on your avatars and look at my crotch! :chomp:
 
biteme said:
I think you are a doll. Not afraid to speak your mind and I admire that. But, you still need to turn on your avatars and look at my crotch! :chomp:

Um, that's okay. From what I've been reading, there is a surprise in that avatar.
 
ceasar989 said:
How in the hell did we get from talking about cleaning your shit trap to fuckin how you feel about a women.

:chomp:

I often ramble from one subject to another, not exactly sure why. I was cleaning out my car today and I found a spaghetti-o under the front seat. I wonder how that got in there?
 
I've done colonics....Sorry, but you just don't stick a tube up your ass and suck out 10 pounds of crap. I probably weighed MORE after because of all the water your body absorbs.
 
starfish said:
I've done colonics....Sorry, but you just don't stick a tube up your ass and suck out 10 pounds of crap. I probably weighed MORE after because of all the water your body absorbs.

Well, would you care to provide more information then? I've heard differently, but more info is better than none.
 
nycgirl said:
Well, would you care to provide more information then? I've heard differently, but more info is better than none.


have done it, will do it again. Wont wax poeticly about it on C&C though, thats just asking for shit...um... yah... you know.


Also, used to do a pysllium/bentonite/acidoph. cleanse once a year for seven days... loved it, will do it again too.
 
the colon is a self cleansing organ, its lined with mucosa and releases lubricants to help passage, the small intestine does most of the break down and nutrient absorption. Large intestine absorbs water.

Scientific community says big thumbs down on this and is illegal in some places to perform this b/c of the claims being used and is an invasive procedure. Should be illegal everywhere b/c of the misinformation being spread about it and it 'is' an invasive procedure with no proveable benefit, in fact, all claims have been disproven except in certain circumstances.
Sorry we disagree NYC, have to disagree with the advice. It may have placebo effects like a massage or going to a salon but benefits are clearly unproven by objective measure, claims of homeopaths and naturopaths notwithstanding, which are like cults in themselves lol
 
BrothaBill said:
the colon is a self cleansing organ, its lined with mucosa and releases lubricants to help passage, the small intestine does most of the break down and nutrient absorption. Large intestine absorbs water.

Scientific community says big thumbs down on this and is illegal in some places to perform this b/c of the claims being used and is an invasive procedure. Should be illegal everywhere b/c of the misinformation being spread about it and it 'is' an invasive procedure with no proveable benefit, in fact, all claims have been disproven except in certain circumstances.
Sorry we disagree NYC, have to disagree with the advice. It may have placebo effects like a massage or going to a salon but benefits are clearly unproven by objective measure, claims of homeopaths and naturopaths notwithstanding, which are like cults in themselves lol

Don't apologize. lol.

What is your opinion about natural techniques for fasts & cleansing?
 
GoldenDelicious said:
this is a NASTY thread

all i can see is bitemes crotch avatar with a tube hanging out of his ass :worried:

shudder... i wish i could selectively turn off avatars....
 
nycgirl said:
Are you messing with me??

There are plenty of website and info out there about cleansing.
I know there are websites, but there's so much misinformation on the Internet.

That's why I was asking you.
 
bran987 said:
I know there are websites, but there's so much misinformation on the Internet.

That's why I was asking you.

I've never done a colonic.

Have you ever done a fruit/juice/vegetable fast before?

Basically, you let your digestive system rest and your body will cleanse itself of toxins. A juice fast will avoid the muscle loss that can occur if you did a water fast (yes, you will experience some muscle loss, but not as much). Its a way to clean out your GI system.
 
nycgirl said:
Don't apologize. lol.

What is your opinion about natural techniques for fasts & cleansing?

I like fasting, clears the mind and spirit. I am not in favor of juice fasts or having any carbs during that period basically messing up insulin levels which I see as being the cause as the cancer of an advanced society in the form of heart disease, obesity and diabetes etc...

A fast IMO should be a water fast the first day to clear the body of excess glycogen.
Then 1000 calories of 'good' fat spaced through the day for the remaining ten days. This is to increase glucagon production, give some calories to sustain growth so as not to resort to cannibalizing muscle tissue(which goes through neoglucogenesis and turns into sugar thereby increasing insulin levels) and also to allow for retention of potassium and electrolytes to prevent heart arrythmias.
This is allows for the most favorite state for fat loss of insulin/glucagon levels for proper metabolic state.
Fat is like gold to the body, if you give it fat, you'll dump loads of fat in the urine in the form of excess unused energy released by the glucagon action in a state of little or no insulin.
 
BrothaBill said:
I like fasting, clears the mind and spirit. I am not in favor of juice fasts or having any carbs during that period basically messing up insulin levels which I see as being the cause as the cancer of an advanced society in the form of heart disease, obesity and diabetes etc...

A fast IMO should be a water fast the first day to clear the body of excess glycogen.
Then 1000 calories of 'good' fat spaced through the day for the remaining ten days. This is to increase glucagon production, give some calories to sustain growth so as not to resort to cannibalizing muscle tissue(which goes through neoglucogenesis and turns into sugar thereby increasing insulin levels) and also to allow for retention of potassium and electrolytes to prevent heart arrythmias.
This is allows for the most favorite state for fat loss of insulin/glucagon levels for proper metabolic state.
Fat is like gold to the body, if you give it fat, you'll dump loads of fat in the urine in the form of excess unused energy released by the glucagon action in a state of little or no insulin.
what? brothabill dont you pull a fonzarelli on us all, mang! there are some...interesting...discrepancies in your theory..

the only times ive ever wanted to clear my body out, all i did was switch to soluble fibre and a liquid diet (protein shakes) for a few days. then i was ready for display at the Coloseum :p
 
GoldenDelicious said:
what? brothabill dont you pull a fonzarelli on us all, mang! there are some...interesting...discrepancies in your theory..

the only times ive ever wanted to clear my body out, all i did was switch to soluble fibre and a liquid diet (protein shakes) for a few days. then i was ready for display at the Coloseum :p

well Im not going to type out a techical paper on it, Ive already written a coupla of super long technical explanations of a working hypothesis, lost forever in a sea of past posts too lazy to search for.

What discrepancies? Merely stating that a complete fast you lose 15 pounds according to research in ten days of lean body mass/muscle and seven pounds of fat.

Conversely, prevent neoglucogenesis(creation of glucose from skeletal body mass) from affecting insulin levels to handle the newly formed sugars from your cannibalized muscle preventing a proper hormonal environment to allow glucagon, the release hormone from allowing fat to melt off of your body at double that of a complete fast, 14 pounds on average according to research over a ten day period with virtually no lbm loss and potassium levels remained in safe levels
 
BrothaBill said:
I like fasting, clears the mind and spirit. I am not in favor of juice fasts or having any carbs during that period basically messing up insulin levels which I see as being the cause as the cancer of an advanced society in the form of heart disease, obesity and diabetes etc...

A fast IMO should be a water fast the first day to clear the body of excess glycogen.
Then 1000 calories of 'good' fat spaced through the day for the remaining ten days. This is to increase glucagon production, give some calories to sustain growth so as not to resort to cannibalizing muscle tissue(which goes through neoglucogenesis and turns into sugar thereby increasing insulin levels) and also to allow for retention of potassium and electrolytes to prevent heart arrythmias.
This is allows for the most favorite state for fat loss of insulin/glucagon levels for proper metabolic state.
Fat is like gold to the body, if you give it fat, you'll dump loads of fat in the urine in the form of excess unused energy released by the glucagon action in a state of little or no insulin.

Interesting. I followed Dr. Colbert's method and felt fine (I have bllod sugar issues). Would a veggie juice fast affect insulin levels?

My next fast, was going to veggie juice only (I always start the first day with water only).
 
nycgirl said:
Interesting. Would a veggie juice fast affect insulin levels?

The problem with juicing is that its just another form of processing. By that I mean, destroying the cell walls of a cellular plant. Those cellular walls really slow digestion of plants and whole vegetables. The contents inside are harder to digest, the sweets of the plants, the phytochemicals are on the outside.

If you rupture and mutilate the cellular walls then it turns into basically a bit healthier coca-cola b/c of the contents are supereasily absorbed b/c of the destruction of the cellwalls.
Just makes for easy absorption, raises the glycemic index, that in turn raises insulin resist. Blood sugar goes up, insulin goes up, insulin is the storage hormone. It works in oppostion of glucagon.
Insulin overrides glucagon as is more powerful. The more insulin is around then glucagon can NOT tell fat cells to release lipids.

Depends on what you want to do with a fast. Alot of fasting is spiritual in nature.
The detoxification stuff is not scientific. You dont detoxify. The human body as I can easily argue is set to keep homeostasis. The network of buffers in the body to keep things under control is extensive. The blood is a certain pH, the temp is relatively normal, you get too hot you sweat, you get too cold, you shiver.

All of that stuff are buffer reactions. When they get out of whack, then there is something wrong. Thats where blood tests and other stuff comes in.
The detoxification thing, its more akin to a new years resolution.

There are certain chemicals and drugs that have half lives and such, thats detoxing from chemicals. A normal healthy balanced diet there is no biological need for a detox.
So it boils down to motivations. Alot of the juice fasts to me dont make much sense from a biological perspective. But, neither do naturalists, its a philosophy and part religion.
I just dont think like they do. If they could prove to me the benefits beyond mere just feeling accomplished by doing it, a mere placebo effect. Then Id incorporate it, but Im not going to juice fast and screw up my insulin levels which I think would be far more beneficial if Im going to not eat. Might as well get rid of insulin in my system, which is the root of all evil
 
BrothaBill said:
well Im not going to type out a techical paper on it, Ive already written a coupla of super long technical explanations of a working hypothesis, lost forever in a sea of past posts too lazy to search for.

What discrepancies? Merely stating that a complete fast you lose 15 pounds according to research in ten days of lean body mass/muscle and seven pounds of fat.

Conversely, prevent neoglucogenesis(creation of glucose from skeletal body mass) from affecting insulin levels to handle the newly formed sugars from your cannibalized muscle preventing a proper hormonal environment to allow glucagon, the release hormone from allowing fat to melt off of your body at double that of a complete fast, 14 pounds on average according to research over a ten day period with virtually no lbm loss and potassium levels remained in safe levels
link me

there are some things in your post that dont sit right with me at all
 
The master clense.. really chubby people will lose 15lbs..

a person such as myself will not..

I have the paper.. in pdf format if someone wants i can send thru email
 
juicedmohawk said:
Brotha... Is that the same as "gluconeogenesis" ?

actually thats the correct way to state it, when protein forms sugar from protein.
Hence, why a protein only diet you still get insulin release to deal with the sugars formed by the breakdown of protein. Its not going to be as great as a carb diet so protein diets are better at reducing insulin levels in your body.

So, eliminate all sources of sugars to eliminate, insulin, the storage hormone.

Then glucagon is dominant, the release hormone (the opposite of insulin) takes place and provides for literally dumping of fat from fat cells out and excreted unused in the feces and urine
 
I shit at least once a day, usually twice, but the last time I did the Ex-lax a couple years ago it was <day of hell and then my body felt revitalized like nothing else. I bought a bunch of fruit and V8 so I'm gonna try that route this time and eat/drink nothing but fruit.

Thanks peeps, there's a bunch of good info in this thread. :)
 
I've read through this thread and feel a bit uneasy. I have to say I find it really interesting and read through the whole damn thread, but I have honestly never done a 'cleansing' and am still not feeling I want to even after reading about the positive experiences here.

What about eating pretty clean 95% of the time and then your body takes care of itself? What about that method?

I've tried to eat 4-5 meals of generally the same types of food for the last 7-8 years and my body feels pretty 'light' and clean. I think you can tell when you don't feel 'cleansed' so to speak and it shows in your skin and etc.

Is this cleansing more for those who eat a bunch or drink a bunch and need to clean up so to speak or is this cleansing for everyone no matter what? Just curious still.

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Mythicwrld

"We deceive ourselves when we fancy that only weakness needs support. Strength needs it far more."

The success a person achieved in life after life is over is not measured by the material items, wealth or land they acquire. But in the lives they have touched in a positive way and the people who remember them with a fondness and a smile or a tear that they are no longer.
- my brother
 
Quadsweep's Sister said:
I've read through this thread and feel a bit uneasy. I have to say I find it really interesting and read through the whole damn thread, but I have honestly never done a 'cleansing' and am still not feeling I want to even after reading about the positive experiences here.

What about eating pretty clean 95% of the time and then your body takes care of itself? What about that method?

I've tried to eat 4-5 meals of generally the same types of food for the last 7-8 years and my body feels pretty 'light' and clean. I think you can tell when you don't feel 'cleansed' so to speak and it shows in your skin and etc.

Is this cleansing more for those who eat a bunch or drink a bunch and need to clean up so to speak or is this cleansing for everyone no matter what? Just curious still.

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Mythicwrld

"We deceive ourselves when we fancy that only weakness needs support. Strength needs it far more."

The success a person achieved in life after life is over is not measured by the material items, wealth or land they acquire. But in the lives they have touched in a positive way and the people who remember them with a fondness and a smile or a tear that they are no longer.
- my brother
I like the way you think.


IMO cleansing has spiritual benefits, but physical? Im not so sure.
 
nycgirl said:
I do it for spirtual reasons and to give my digestive system a rest (I have digestive issues). Not because I eat a lot of junk or drink a lot.
I admire anyone who could have the diligence to stick with it for whatever their reason is. I dont know if I could go even 1 day without solid food.
 
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