Decent results from 60mg/day Anavar?

[digit0x]

The main reason guys crash post cycle and loose gains is more because a loss in testis sensitivity from lack of an LH signal for however many weeks.

Keeping the testis in the game by doing 125-250iu EOD during a cycle would allow you to regain normal test function within days after dropping the var, whereas without the HCG during the cycle, recover might take a 4-6 weeks.

BTW, it would be good to drop the HCG a week prior to your last oral dose of AAS. (to regain sensitivity)

Another consideration is that if you start getting into a 12week or longer cycle, your pituitary will atrophy and its ability to emit gonadotrophins would eventually diminish… HCG would not protect you from this.

-Pp

thought anavar doesn't shut you down?

 

[Primordial Performance]

thought anavar doesn't shut you down?

It can shut you down bad, despite popular belief.

The only AAS you can use and get away with not being shut down are masteron, primo, and proviron… and those are still suppressive to some degree.

It appears that all the 17aa orals are about 5x more suppressive per mg than the non 17aa orals.

-Pp

 

[yonkers weights]

"REAL" Var at 20-30 mg for 6 weeks is great. Run winny at 50mg ed too and it is a good post Test/Deca stack.
Ex
1-10 Test 700mg/Deca300mg
10-11 Cloimd
12-16 Win 50mg ed/Var 20-30mg ed

 

[sooka]

var did NOT shut me down at all @50mg/day

 

[digit0x]

It can shut you down bad, despite popular belief.

The only AAS you can use and get away with not being shut down are masteron, primo, and proviron… and those are still suppressive to some degree.

It appears that all the 17aa orals are about 5x more suppressive per mg than the non 17aa orals.

-Pp

hmm... I seem to have recall profiles on var describing it as 'mildly' supressive, though I guess that is somewhat subjective. is 80 mgs/day suppressive enough to warrant concurrent HCG treatment?

 

[Primordial Performance]

hmm... I seem to have recall profiles on var describing it as 'mildly' supressive, though I guess that is somewhat subjective. is 80 mgs/day suppressive enough to warrant concurrent HCG treatment?

Yes, even 20mg ED is enough to cause suppression. Id run 125-250iu of HCG throughout the cycle starting a week after your first dose, and stopping a week before your last dose.

Sooka,

Did you have your testosterone levels checked before the cycle and again post cycle? Im not sure you can claim that var didnt shut you down without knowing your pre- and post- cycle testosterone levels.

One thing about avavar that is nice is its extremely fast clearance time. The Var would be out of your system in days rather than weeks or months as with injectables like enanthate or DECA. This fast clearance would allow you to recover faster.

-Pp

 

[tshoot]

Used Var at 30-40 mg before a couple of times for 6-8 weeks with no PCT. Last time I used it shut me down pretty good. I couldn't figure out WTF was happening since I thought it wasn't supposed to do that all and I never experienced that before. Noticed that my testicles had somewhat atrophied - though more gradually then a test cycle so it wasn't as noticeable at first. Was having mood swings, generally tired, etc. Took about 2-3 months before they came back and my moods improved, etc. I wasn't visiting the boards much over the last couple of years so I wasn't seeing all the newer posts about it having that affect. Just thought it was that nice innocent AAS that you could use anytime without any problems - not so for me anyways.

 

[sooka]

i didnt get my levels checked pre/post, but i didnt notice anything negative happening to my body. I was just getting huge pumps, really filled out looking, and gained a decent amount of strength. my balls never shrank, still popped off a couple nuts a day... i think i did have slight mood swings, but nothing noticable.

i was happy with my small results results, and lack of "stereotypical" roid side effects

 

[elitetoxin]

i'd lower the dose and increase cycle length .. 14 weeks at 40mg .. sweet, been there done that, steady gains from day one till day ... 14*7

 

[iHulk]

had my test levels checked before and after a crazy 6 month cycle of var using upwards of 100mg ed of pharm grade high quality Oxandrolone from genesis Rx and had absolutely zero libido problems on or after and never 'shut down' according to my before and after test results.

its a far safer anabolic than almost any --other than primo.