deca/test cycle - before/after blood comparison

[cgar1228]

Guys,
I need some help reading these results from last weeks bloods. I got bloods done a couple months before I decided to cycle and then I got them done 15 weeks post cycle. My cycle was Deca 400mg 10wks & Test E 500mg 12wks.

I have lost all but 5 lbs I gained on my cycle and am currently experiencing a very low libido. I am 31 and have never experienced anything like this before. Please help with suggestions on how to fully recover my testosterone and with anything else that stands out as well.



.......Item (norm range) ..................PRE-CYCLE (10/6/09)..................... POST-CYCLE (6/10/10)

• Testosterone................... 953 ng/dL........................................ 291
• Free Testosterone.......... 14.6 pg/mL...................................... 12.6
• LH (1.7-8.6) ......................not tested......................................... 2.6
• FSH (1.5-12.4).................. not tested......................................... 3.4
• Prolactin (4-15.2)............. not tested......................................... 6.1
• Estradiol (7.6-42.6).......... not tested......................................... 9.9
• Progesterone (.2-1.4).......not tested......................................... .3
• IGF-1 (115-307) ................not tested.......................................... 242
• Cortisol (2.3-19.4) ...........not tested ...........................................9.7
• DHEA (160-449)............. not tested......................................... 182.2
• T4 Free (.82-1.77)............ not tested......................................... 1.54

Lipid Panel

• Cholesterol (100-199) ......185..................................................... 162
• Trigylcerides (0-149)....... 265..................................................... 86
• HDL (>>39)....................... 40....................................................... 41
• VLDL (5-40)...................... 53........................................................ 17
• LDL (0-99)......................... 93....................................................... 104

Other Notable Items (I'm only posting big changes here, everything else is pretty normal)

• Creatinine......................... 1.17.................................................. 1.45 (posting next few for liver check)
• Bilirubin........................... .7....................................................... 1.1
• AST.................................. 27...................................................... 40
• ALT.................................. 25...................................................... 41

Thank you for ANY incite or suggestion you can offer!!

 

[stevesmi]

what kind of PCT did u run?

 

[babushka]

Not Good
Run hcg @ 1000iu MWF For weeks 1-3
Run nolva 20mged + Clomid 50mged For weeks 1-6
Wait a month and get tested again.

You didn't run HCG on cycle,did you?

 

[pavlenko]

thats why im kind of scared to run deca again, it messed with my libido big time too even after the cycle

 

[C0LUMB0]

Shit, What did your PCT look like bro ?

are you taking anything at the moment to help recover ?

 

[stevesmi]

bump. your PCT? inquiring minds want to know

 

[cgar1228]

what kind of PCT did u run?

Sorry I was away from the computer for a while..

Here's what I did during cycle:
-Aromasin 10mg eod [wk 1-13]
-Dostinex (caber) .25 e3d [wk 8-13]
-HCGenerate 8 caps ed [wk 5-12] then [wk 4 Post cycle till now 16 wks post cycle]

PCT:
-TRS Stack from Primordial Performance - Sustain Alpha, EndoAmp Max, Toco8 [4 wks]
-Unleashed 4 caps ed [5 wks]
-Foremestane from PP 2 times a day for [4 wks]
-HCGenerate 8 caps ed [on going]
-4 shots of REAL HCG at 600iu per shot e3d starting @ 1 wk post cycle (it's all I had available...)
-Novedex XT [wk 12-14]
-TCF-1 from PP [wk 11-14]
-ZMA supplement every day

You get the idea.... It tires me out just writting all that down so it's not like I had a weak PCT. I am open to suggestions but I have come to the conclusion that most of this stuff did nothing for me.

 

[cgar1228]

Not Good
Run hcg @ 1000iu MWF For weeks 1-3
Run nolva 20mged + Clomid 50mged For weeks 1-6
Wait a month and get tested again.

You didn't run HCG on cycle,did you?

I have Nolva & Clomid available to me right now as well as some more HCG. If other people agree with this then I will do this. However, I did try taking some Clomid when I started PCT and I swear I had MALE PMS it f'n made me feel horrible and emotional as shit so I cut it after 3 days....

So I would like to stay away from Clomid if at all possible. Thanks for your input bro

 

[tom5933]

Don't know why you would use HCG during PCT..that could be the problem. I feel like you should be back to normal soo long after the cycle is over anyway.

 

[cgar1228]

thats why im kind of scared to run deca again, it messed with my libido big time too even after the cycle

Did it ever normalize? if so what did you do to bring it back?

 

[cgar1228]

Don't know why you would use HCG during PCT..that could be the problem. I feel like you should be back to normal soo long after the cycle is over anyway.

Because that was the advice I was given by some very reputable members. I used HCGenerate on-cycle and when I noticed that my nuts were getting smaller I decided to do what a LOT of people do and wait until after the cycle is over to do HCG. I actually did my HCG injections before PCT began.

 

[timtim]

deca killed me for along while after my last run. could take awhile.

 

[cgar1228]

BUMP for more input on how to get my TEST, LH, FSH, & DHEA levels back up and any other comments on my blood comparison.

 

[babushka]

Hey Cgar,run HCG DURING the cycle next time
I had the same problem after test/deca/dbol same shit happend to me
I posted my experience read on http://www.elitefitness.com/forum/anabolic-steroids/help-advice-please-shutdown-707105.html
Anymore questions, just ask

 

[babushka]

And I think clomid is the bomb for PCT,some people might disagree.

 

[cgar1228]

And I think clomid is the bomb for PCT,some people might disagree.

lol damn bro, I don't think I wanna go that route again. After 3 days of taking the stuff I felt worse than ANY other single compound I've ever taken. One thing it did for me though is help me understand what my gf goes through with once a month.... God bless her. For the price of that I think I would rather rent a gun and buy a bullet to save myself from turning into a Man-gina....

 

[downunder hunter]

I dont understand why you would run HCG during PCT as it is a synthetic LH so how is your body going to start producing it naturally if its get exogenous hormones still from the HCG? You should run it DURING the cycle from the first week and drop it two weeks before pct so it clears before you start pct so you have no synthetic hormones in your system, without them cleared you cant start the recovery of the hpta. I cant talk from experience as I have always recovers fully from my cycles but if I were to run another pct I would ruun low dose nolva 20mg for 4 weeks alongside unleashed and hcgenerate give it a month or so afterwards and get another blood test. If you have low dhea use a supp with dhea in it.

 

[cgar1228]

I dont understand why you would run HCG during PCT as it is a synthetic LH so how is your body going to start producing it naturally if its get exogenous hormones still from the HCG? You should run it DURING the cycle from the first week and drop it two weeks before pct so it clears before you start pct so you have no synthetic hormones in your system, without them cleared you cant start the recovery of the hpta. I cant talk from experience as I have always recovers fully from my cycles but if I were to run another pct I would ruun low dose nolva 20mg for 4 weeks alongside unleashed and hcgenerate give it a month or so afterwards and get another blood test. If you have low dhea use a supp with dhea in it.

I appreciate the help bro!

 

[downunder hunter]

I appreciate the help bro!

I just re read my post, with a long acting ester you would stop hcg at the last inject, if your using prop two weeks beforhand

 

[Moneymoneymoney]

Hey guys ok so straight off the bat im a crazy 18 year old kid and i recently ordered 10 vials of Deca, 200mg/ml. Im going to do a 10 week cycle at 200mg per/week, i might stack it with winstrol in pill form just to add the cherry on top, but im stil deciding. What do u think? Is that too much? I dont wanna look freakishly huge but i do wanna be stronger and bigger than the average. Im 5"8 and weigh 150. Id like to gain 10-15 pounds so please lemme know if im giving my self more than i should But i have a few questions id like to ask. First off do you guys inject your stuff in your ass by yourself or do you have someone do it for you? I dont want anyone knowing im doing this so i dont wana ask anyone. Second, i read a lot of things back and forth about needing a pct i thought since im not taking a high dosage and just doing a 10 week cycle, no need but in this situation i rather be safe than sorry. Holla back please and thank you

 

[downunder hunter]

Hey guys ok so straight off the bat im a crazy 18 year old kid and i recently ordered 10 vials of Deca, 200mg/ml. Im going to do a 10 week cycle at 200mg per/week, i might stack it with winstrol in pill form just to add the cherry on top, but im stil deciding. What do u think? Is that too much? I dont wanna look freakishly huge but i do wanna be stronger and bigger than the average. Im 5"8 and weigh 150. Id like to gain 10-15 pounds so please lemme know if im giving my self more than i should But i have a few questions id like to ask. First off do you guys inject your stuff in your ass by yourself or do you have someone do it for you? I dont want anyone knowing im doing this so i dont wana ask anyone. Second, i read a lot of things back and forth about needing a pct i thought since im not taking a high dosage and just doing a 10 week cycle, no need but in this situation i rather be safe than sorry. Holla back please and thank you

First of all start your own thread dont hijack somebody elses.
Secondly your too young for steroids and you will get NO advice here
Thirdly you have got a shitload to learn before you even condider it again
That is all

 

[Moneymoneymoney]

Im new to the site, i couldnt figure out how to start my own thread. but i know much more than you i think i know, i did a lot of homework. And why wouldnt i get advice here? Its a site for discussions....

 

[andrecarrara]

Hey guys ok so straight off the bat im a crazy 18 year old kid and i recently ordered 10 vials of Deca, 200mg/ml. Im going to do a 10 week cycle at 200mg per/week, i might stack it with winstrol in pill form just to add the cherry on top, but im stil deciding. What do u think? Is that too much? I dont wanna look freakishly huge but i do wanna be stronger and bigger than the average. Im 5"8 and weigh 150. Id like to gain 10-15 pounds so please lemme know if im giving my self more than i should But i have a few questions id like to ask. First off do you guys inject your stuff in your ass by yourself or do you have someone do it for you? I dont want anyone knowing im doing this so i dont wana ask anyone. Second, i read a lot of things back and forth about needing a pct i thought since im not taking a high dosage and just doing a 10 week cycle, no need but in this situation i rather be safe than sorry. Holla back please and thank you

18 YO ?? Come on dude...lock yourself in agym for a least another 5 years and come back and ask that question...using your own thread...

 

[downunder hunter]

Im new to the site, i couldnt figure out how to start my own thread. but i know much more than you i think i know, i did a lot of homework. And why wouldnt i get advice here? Its a site for discussions....

You dont know shit kid, and because your 18 thats why you wont get advice

Go do your research in the diet and training forums

 

[babushka]

to Moneymoneymoney
You are joking,right??

 

[cgar1228]

Guys,
I need some help reading these results from last weeks bloods. I got bloods done a couple months before I decided to cycle and then I got them done 15 weeks post cycle. My cycle was Deca 400mg 10wks & Test E 500mg 12wks.

I have lost all but 5 lbs I gained on my cycle and am currently experiencing a very low libido. I am 31 and have never experienced anything like this before. Please help with suggestions on how to fully recover my testosterone and with anything else that stands out as well.




.......Item (norm range) ..................PRE-CYCLE (10/6/09)..................... POST-CYCLE (6/10/10)

• Testosterone................... 953 ng/dL........................................ 291
• Free Testosterone.......... 14.6 pg/mL...................................... 12.6
• LH (1.7-8.6) ......................not tested......................................... 2.6
• FSH (1.5-12.4).................. not tested......................................... 3.4
• Prolactin (4-15.2)............. not tested......................................... 6.1
• Estradiol (7.6-42.6).......... not tested......................................... 9.9
• Progesterone (.2-1.4).......not tested......................................... .3
• IGF-1 (115-307) ................not tested.......................................... 242
• Cortisol (2.3-19.4) ...........not tested ...........................................9.7
• DHEA (160-449)............. not tested......................................... 182.2
• T4 Free (.82-1.77)............ not tested......................................... 1.54

Lipid Panel

• Cholesterol (100-199) ......185..................................................... 162
• Trigylcerides (0-149)....... 265..................................................... 86
• HDL (>>39)....................... 40....................................................... 41
• VLDL (5-40)...................... 53........................................................ 17
• LDL (0-99)......................... 93....................................................... 104

Other Notable Items (I'm only posting big changes here, everything else is pretty normal)

• Creatinine......................... 1.17.................................................. 1.45 (posting next few for liver check)
• Bilirubin........................... .7....................................................... 1.1
• AST.................................. 27...................................................... 40
• ALT.................................. 25...................................................... 41

Thank you for ANY incite or suggestion you can offer!!

Back on topic. Does anyone have any more advice or comments on my blood test? Experienced members joed, omega, need2?

I am under the opinion that hcg, clomid, and nolvadex will do the trick. I know everyone says NO nolva after deca cycles but it's been a while and my Progesterone is very LOW, which is the main reason I believe that most people say this after Deca cycles b/c Progesterone is usually very HIGH after cycling deca.

Problems: Low LH & FSH, Low testosterone, Low DHEA
Current protocol to get back on track goes something like this:

1000iu HCG M-W-F wks 1-3
50 mg Clomid wks 1-3
20 mg Nolva wks 1-5

DHEA wks 1-3
Unleashed wks 5 until fully recovered..

Anyone have qualms with this protocol??

 

[babushka]

Looks good
Bump clomid to 100mg the first 5 days if you can handle it
That protocol helped me but anyway more recommendations is always good
Oh yeah no more deca for me

 

[zedhed]

moneymoneymoney yeah you know so much more then we all think you know but you cant even figure out how to start your own thread???yeah right, I call TROLL.

 

[HAYEZ]

nolvadex should of been ran during pct
hcg should not of been run

 

[cgar1228]

nolvadex should of been ran during pct
hcg should not of been run

That's great but it tells me nothing about what direction I should be headed in the current! Despite what you think there are MANY people out there who believe that this can assist in recovery of the leydig cells. So tell me what you think will help instead of telling me everything YOU think I did wrong b/c trust me I did my homework before this cycle! So I'm at 16 wks post cycle with slight atrophy, low T, low LH..... Where do I go from here????

 

[HAYEZ]

That's great but it tells me nothing about what direction I should be headed in the current! Despite what you think there are MANY people out there who believe that this can assist in recovery of the leydig cells. So tell me what you think will help instead of telling me everything YOU think I did wrong b/c trust me I did my homework before this cycle! So I'm at 16 wks post cycle with slight atrophy, low T, low LH..... Where do I go from here????

no need to be cocky..you only have a bit more testosterone then a lady right now..ya may grow a vagina soon...lololololol

im fucking with ya...just redo your pct and you should be fine


DECA IS FINE TO RUN...the loss of libido you have is because of your PROGESTERONE/PROLACTIN levels raised... get some cabergoline (from many research sites) run it .500 mcg for a few days then go to eod until end of your pct your going to redo NOW.

this will fix sex drive

in future when you run DECA run cabergoline along with it e3d at .250mcg..
i run 400 mg test with 700 deca and 700 tren together...no sex sides at all..without it you feel like your crashed and no drive but its just the pro sides..

homework you did but listened to wrong info on hcg...

hcg used on cycle not in pct...

nolvadex or clomid as a base to any pct

hcg 500iu ed for 10 days or 1000iu eod for 5 shots..2 days later start nolvadex 60mg 7 days,40mg 14 days,20mg 7 days

add on whatever pct otc products you want to as long as there for pct

dont drink alcohol

 

[cgar1228]

no need to be cocky..you only have a bit more testosterone then a lady right now..ya may grow a vagina soon...lololololol

im fucking with ya...just redo your pct and you should be fine


DECA IS FINE TO RUN...the loss of libido you have is because of your PROGESTERONE/PROLACTIN levels raised... get some cabergoline (from many research sites) run it .500 mcg for a few days then go to eod until end of your pct your going to redo NOW.

this will fix sex drive

in future when you run DECA run cabergoline along with it e3d at .250mcg..
i run 400 mg test with 700 deca and 700 tren together...no sex sides at all..without it you feel like your crashed and no drive but its just the pro sides..

homework you did but listened to wrong info on hcg...

hcg used on cycle not in pct...

nolvadex or clomid as a base to any pct

hcg 500iu ed for 10 days or 1000iu eod for 5 shots..2 days later start nolvadex 60mg 7 days,40mg 14 days,20mg 7 days

add on whatever pct otc products you want to as long as there for pct

dont drink alcohol

you ain't kidding dude, I feel like a damn vagina right now... To go from 953 to 291 Test after 1 cycle sucks!!!

awesome post bro thx!! did you happen to see that both my progesterone and prolactin were VERY low on my blood test? So i'm not sure why you are suggesting Caber, although I did consider this before I got my blood tests and noticed that they were low not high as I originally thought. I DID in fact run Caber on cycle at the dose you recommended. I posted up my PCT and on-cycle regime if you wanna take a look.

about the hcg, I got some info from need2 that hcgenerate was as good as regular HCG so I ran that during my cycle thinking it would save my boys and did not. that dude knows a lot more than I do and I'm not sure why his method didn't work but next time I WILL run regular hcg on-cycle.

Any reason to start running HCG before the Nolva b/c I started the Nolva yesterday at 30 mg/day. I have hcg but no vials so i'm waiting on those to come before I hit up the hcg protocol you gave...

 

[zedhed]

GREAT POST HAYEZ,
Keep the good info coming guys. This guy is a good bro and he listens to what he is told.