Deca, Npp, Anavar Cyle Planning Help

[Texas Monster]

So I am planning out my next mass cycle for the winter and was hoping for some valuable input.

Cycle History:
This will be my third cycle. First cycle I ran a straight Anavar and Winny cycle at 40mg ed a piece for 10 weeks. 2nd cycle was a deca cycle. I ran the deca for 14 weeks and established really noticeable gains, the only thing i didnt like about the length of the cycle was that by week 16 I really really wanted to be clean but had to wait patiently to pct till week 19-20 when the deca cleared. So next cycle I want it to only last 14 weeks max. This is why I want to run NPP in my next cycle that way I can still run Nandralone for 14 weeks with the benefit of having a high nandralone level for the entire cycle instead of cutting it short at week 8 to let the long ester clear in enough time for pct by week 15 and have a build up to week 8 then falling levels to week 14.

For my Third Cycle I plan on running Deca, Npp, Test C, And Test Prop, and Anavar.

Week 1-10 Test c 500mg
Week 1-8 Deca 500 mg
Week 8-14 NPP 100 mg eod
Week 10-14 Test prop 100mg eod
Week 1-6 Anavar 80mg

Week 15 start pct

Also aromasin 12.5mg ed to eod depending on estro. Caber .5 mg x 2 a week. Hcg 250 iu x 2 a week. Letro on hand.

PCT
Clomid 50/50/50/25/25/25/
HCG 10 days before ester clears 1000 iu ed.
aromasin 12.5mg ed

Does this seem reasonable to stack the short esters at the end, or will adding in the short esters at the end combined with the high amount of long esters in my body already at the time lead to having to high of a dosage? Because at week 8 I would still have around 1000mg of deca in my system. Or would it be a better Idea to stack the short esters at the beggining to have quicker gains with the front loaded anavar, then let the long esters build till week 8 then just let them clear with the rest of the test.

Example
Week 1-6 NPP 100mg eod
Week 1-6 Test prop 100mg eod
Week 1-8 Deca 500mg
Week 1-10 Test C 500mg
Week 10-14 Test prop 100mg eod
Week 1-4 Anavar 80 mg ed.

Also aromasin 12.5mg ed to eod depending on estro. Caber .5 mg x 2 a week. Hcg 250 iu x 2 a week. Letro on hand.

PCT
Clomid 50/50/50/25/25/25/
HCG 10 days before ester clears 1000 iu ed.
aromasin 12.5mg ed

Another option I was thinking about was running the short esters at the begging of the cycle and at the End.

Example:

Example
Week 1-6 NPP 100mg eod
Week 1-6 Test prop 100mg eod
Week 1-8 Deca 500mg
Week 1-10 Test C 500mg
Week 10-14 Test prop 100mg eod
Week 1-4 Anavar 80 mg ed.
Week 8-14 npp 100mg eod

Also aromasin 12.5mg ed to eod depending on estro. Caber .5 mg x 2 a week. Hcg 250 iu x 2 a week. Letro on hand.

PCT
Clomid 50/50/50/25/25/25/
HCG 10 days before ester clears 1000 iu ed.
aromasin 12.5mg ed


The only problem I am seeing with this kind of layout would be a very high nadralone level. Regardless I want to run the test prop at the end so I can have a smooth transition into pct instead of playing the waiting game for the long esters.

What do you guys think the best option is to optimize my 14 cycle?

Stats:
Age 25
Ht 6,1
Weight 250
BF 9%

Training history: all my life, BB 8 years.

 

[moya]

imo it would be a waste to run var at the front end of a deca cycle... you would look much better if you finished with it, and the npp will have you holding much less water... if youre gonna kickstart, id use somthing more 'potent' like dbol...

 

[joeblow12345]

Just keep it simple. If you want the benefits of the shott esters than run npp, prop, and var. Like this.

1-12 test p 150 mg eod
1-10 npp 100 mg eod
6-12 var 80 mg day
4-13 hcg 250 ius 2xs week
1-13 aromasin 12.5 mg eod
13-17 clomid 25 mg day
13-17 post cycle/unleashed combo
13- 17 forma or aromasin
1-14 caber 0.5 mg every 3 rd day
17-21 bridge or sarms( optional but nice addition)


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[Texas Monster]

I was thinking of dbol too but right now all my guy can get is anadrol and I tried it at the start of my last cycle for a week and didnt like it at all.

If he can get some dbol, or tbol I would definately front end with the dbol. Maybe consider throughing in some var at the end if my mid blood cycle work comes back of for my liver.

What would be a good front end stack for dbol?
I was thinking 4 to 6 weeks at 60mg ed

 

[Texas Monster]

I would love to run all short esters If it didn't cut into the pocket book so much .
That would be 4.2 bottles of prop 3.5 bottles of npp

I get a good deal on the long esters in "bulk" price so that is why I am trying to have the best of both worlds.

I allready have enough deca, test, and Var to run almost 3 to 4 cycles. The only things I need to get now are just the ancillaries, pct, and short esters and other orals if i decide to through them in.

 

[dylangemelli]

I was thinking of dbol too but right now all my guy can get is anadrol and I tried it at the start of my last cycle for a week and didnt like it at all.

If he can get some dbol, or tbol I would definately front end with the dbol. Maybe consider throughing in some var at the end if my mid blood cycle work comes back of for my liver.

What would be a good front end stack for dbol?
I was thinking 4 to 6 weeks at 60mg ed

4 weeks at 30-40 mg is plenty

 

[moya]

60mg dbol is overkill bro... 30mg you will feel great...

 

[Texas Monster]

Cool. So I will try to stack the front end with dbol at 40 mg. Then would it be ok to end the last 4 weeks with var at 80 mg a day?

 

[joeblow12345]

Cool. So I will try to stack the front end with dbol at 40 mg. Then would it be ok to end the last 4 weeks with var at 80 mg a day?

Ya I frequently run anadrol as a kicker and end with tbol. And 40-50 mg dbol is plenty. After that the sides go way up for me, but the benefits arent that much better.

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[Texas Monster]

Then I Think I will just stick with this cycle.

Week 1-4 Dbol 40mg ed
Week 1-8 Deca 500mg
Week 1-10 Test C 500mg
Week 10-14 Test prop 100mg eod
Week 8-14 NPP 100mg eod
Week 10-14 Anavar 80mg ed

12.5mg aromasin ed to eod (depending on estro sides)
caber .5 mg 2x a week
letro on hand
HCG 250 iu 2x a week.

Week 15 start PCT
10 days before esters clear. HCG 1000 iu ed.
Clomid 50/50/50/25/25/25
Aromasin 12.5mg ed
DHEA, Tribulus, natty test boosters etc

Now for the NPP can that go all the way up to week 14 as well? The common protocol is to run test c 2 weeks longer than deca but isnt that just so that the test and the deca clear at the same time anyway?

 

[joeblow12345]

Bro you dont need 1000 ius of hcg a day. Theres no need. And pct is 4 weeks not 6. You are also using too much clomid 25 mg is plenty. I would still stop the npp at week 12. Its a short ester but nandrolones are harder to recover from, so its wise to give it more time to run out while the test is covering you. I usually give deca 4 weeks to clear before I stop test.

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[Texas Monster]

What if I feel like I havent fully recovered by week 4 of clomid. Would it be ok then to continue for another 2 weeks?

As far as HCG goes If I do 500iu on cycle every week does that mean I can skip HCG administration at the end. There are different views out there on how HCG administration should be administered before coming off cycle. 500 iu eod for 3 weeks, 500iu ed for 2 weeks, 1000 iu for ten days.

On a side note. If i did not run hcg during cycle what kind of administration would be best right before pct.

 

[moya]

What if I feel like I havent fully recovered by week 4 of clomid. Would it be ok then to continue for another 2 weeks?

As far as HCG goes If I do 500iu on cycle every week does that mean I can skip HCG administration at the end. There are different views out there on how HCG administration should be administered before coming off cycle. 500 iu eod for 3 weeks, 500iu ed for 2 weeks, 1000 iu for ten days.

On a side note. If i did not run hcg during cycle what kind of administration would be best right before pct.

honestly bro, we all react to drugs differently... just pick one protocol and try it out and see if it works...
of course if you dont 'feel' recovered its most likely the situation, but it would be best either way to follow up with bloodwork... then you can continue PCT if necessary....
you can adjust the HCG as you feel is needed... try to learn from your experiences, its always good to keep a log... not just of your lifts and food, but how you feel on a day by day basis... it will help you learn from mistakes and find what works best..

 

[Texas Monster]

So whats a good protocol for blood work?

Every 4 weeks? During pct.

 

[joeblow12345]

What if I feel like I havent fully recovered by week 4 of clomid. Would it be ok then to continue for another 2 weeks?

As far as HCG goes If I do 500iu on cycle every week does that mean I can skip HCG administration at the end. There are different views out there on how HCG administration should be administered before coming off cycle. 500 iu eod for 3 weeks, 500iu ed for 2 weeks, 1000 iu for ten days.

On a side note. If i did not run hcg during cycle what kind of administration would be best right before pct.

From my experience, by week 2 of pct your body should be starting to feel good and the initial weight loss begins to rebound with strength. Week one is always shitty but the hcg makes a huge difference. I have used it during cycle and at the end going into pct. The results were pretty similar for me. The difference is its cheaper to only use it for 4 weeks, as opposed to 8-12 with almost the same effect. I only do pct for 4 weeks. I do use bridge after pct for another 4 weeks and I feel its worth it. You can also run sarms aswell.

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[Texas Monster]

What kind of bridge do you do?

 

[joeblow12345]

I run the product bridge from ntbm. Its basically a test booster that isnt suppresive at all. Then after 4 weeks Ill switch to sarms for 8 weeks, and by that point its almost time to cycle again. It helps make steady gains between cycles. Its better than being completely natural.

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[moya]

So whats a good protocol for blood work?

Every 4 weeks? During pct.

if you have insurance and can get it covered, i would have it done as often as possible...
if you are paying, i would say the most signifigant reading would be right at the end of PCT...

 

[Texas Monster]

Def covered on the insurance part so I am good to go there.

As far as bridging goes I never had tried a bridge before. I usually only cycle just in the winter and take the rest of the year off. I feel fine after a month or two going natural and get back to right where I was after cycle. Plus it is easier on my health. I might give it a try this time around and do a cut cycle ( never have before just diet down naturally ). Thanks for your input.

 

[stevesmi]

as long as you keep your progesterone in check on deca/npp the whole way and keep your nuts plump with hcgenerate and hcg you will have a successful recovery from nands. also i would recommend a couple shots of HMG mixed in there.

you want to STREEEEETCH out your pct .. keep it low dose but stretch it out. be patient with recovery. you can run bloods 4 weeks after pct, if you don't see your LH bouncing then you should run another pct at that time. but don't run too short a pct and then end up having to run a 2nd pct. btw i made that mistake myself and it took 2 pcts to finally recover from deca only because i had too short a pct the first time.

also just a suggestion but i would get rid of the NPP and run the deca 1-10 weeks. just a suggestion but getting too cute with a cycle can backfire sometimes. i really don't think you need the NPP in there. the deca will hit peak levels week 5 so you will get 5 solid weeks of amazing bulking gains. once you stop it 5 more weeks of decreased deca in your system but still gains will come. that is ample. also swap out var as your kickstart and swap in dbol instead. i'm assuming your goal is to bulk and there is no better cycle then test/dbol/deca to accomplish that.. save the var for another time where you can utilize it more.

 

[Texas Monster]

So running two full pcts? With HCG and everything?

pct 1
HCG into clomid therapy

pct 2
Hcg into clomid therapy

you had to pct like that?

Also my first deca cycle I couldn't get my hands on any caber. Is that probably why I started seeing diminishing returns towards the end of the cycle? In other words if prog gets to high doesn't that block the AR correct? And when this happens will you start loosing muscle mass?

 

[stevesmi]

^^^^ NO run 1 pct and stretch it out

hcg does not need to be ED. that is way too much. 500-1000Iu's every 3.5 days as a kickstart to pct. throw in 2-3 hits of HMG as well.
don't go into pct with raisin nuts.

run the caber and aromasin during as you wrote. but also start hcgenerate week 5 to keep the nuts plump

then for pct you do not need clomid AND aromasin.. the clomid is your SERM. don't go crazy and kill your estrogen like guys used to do in the old days. i disagree with running estrogen killing compounds during pct, run 1 SERM that is all.. not 2 or 3 like i read a lot of guys do then bitch when their sex drive dissapears .. the old nolva/clomid pct is a classic FAIL pct for that reason.

run low dose clomid and stretch it out for 4-6 weeks, run a natty test booster. that will work. throw in whatever natty supps you want in there. up your cals, creatine is good. anything that won't suppress your body is fair game to help you hold your gains

 

[Texas Monster]

I was asking more about your pct experience since you said you had to pct twice. Was wondering since you had to pct twice if you had to use hcg twice.

Anyone know about the other question I wrote about prog getting to high?

 

[stevesmi]

^^^ no it was cause my pct was way too short. i did not compensate for the fact that deca and sustanon takes 5-6 weeks to clear out of the system. i learned the hard way and i learned very fast.

hcg is more of a kicker, i do not consider it techniqually part of pct. but its so important to use. stack it with HMG and its a lethal kickstart.

 

[Texas Monster]

So I been Thinking about it and in terms of sides/gains/length/results/recovery I am going to just be sticking with short esters from now on. This way I can get the fastest results and be on the shortest amount of time. This lets me have the option to cycle more frequently as well as not put me at risk of being a trt patient which I want to try to avoid till I am older and wont give a fuck being the grandpa on test hahaha.

Anyways My cycles from now on will most likely look something like this.

Week 1-11 Test prop 100mg eod
Week 1-8 NPP 100mg eod
Week 1-6 Anavar 40mg ed or winny (depending on goals ie cut/gain)
Forma/ adex or aromasin ( add in adex and aromasin as needed)
Caber 1mg a week
HCGenerate

PCT
Clomid
PCT+UNLEASHED
PHYTOSERMS 347
N2gaurd
HCGenerate

I feel that this would be the optimum way to cycle. 12 weeks on plus pct then take a few months then blast it again. This should also be a nice transition from cycling to PCT to Natural and back on again giving me the most kept gains as well as less side effects from running cycles 12+weeks.

What do you guys think.

PCT starts week 12. This would fit right into everything that I loved from my previous cycles and cut out everything that I hated.