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I am of the opinion that deca fell out of the loop b/c people decided that dosages of upwards of 800 mg a week were ok....lol
I think it should be used at about 100mg a week no more and none of this front loading nonsense. Use it for its recovery and joint help characteristics.
I think eq will go through the same thing in the next couple years as users start dropping dead from blood clots as dosages cross the gram a week range...
the thing I don't understand is that it seems that the littlest guys are always trying to get away with the ridiculous dosages. Guess what: you can get the same out of a 500 mg a week cycle of test with maybe 1 secondary, like deca at 100mg a week, if you have a great routine and you understand the science of recovery. A near perfect diet will add to this effect. Want to talk keepable gains? That is how it is done.
I think it should be used at about 100mg a week no more and none of this front loading nonsense. Use it for its recovery and joint help characteristics.
I think eq will go through the same thing in the next couple years as users start dropping dead from blood clots as dosages cross the gram a week range...
the thing I don't understand is that it seems that the littlest guys are always trying to get away with the ridiculous dosages. Guess what: you can get the same out of a 500 mg a week cycle of test with maybe 1 secondary, like deca at 100mg a week, if you have a great routine and you understand the science of recovery. A near perfect diet will add to this effect. Want to talk keepable gains? That is how it is done.
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satchboogie
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Well said my man. The emergence of Internet boards has skyrocketed the doses that weight trainers mostly being novices use. I've used Deca with great results and with very low doses - 200mgs/week for my first cycle. That would be ridiculed on the boards these days.IronLion said:
serge said:
So, this explains why so many people have poor lipid profiles, poor liver values, poor kidney values and poor ability to recover. Guys, these megadoses that are being done are killing young people. The reward doesn't even hold a candle to the risk. There are so many advantages to lower-dose cycles and the benefits far out-weight the megdosing and self-experimentation. A day doesn't go by that I do not read about a thirty year old BB'er with a failing liver or kidneys. Most people don't have the genetics to handle megadosing--most pros don't either.
well the reason people hate deca is because it supresses your hpta harder than any other AAS out there...It's a motherfucker to recover from, and it will muder your sex drive for months after you come off of it...It's used in chemical castration for godsakes....Deca is OVERRATED...
People can recover from DECA if they use normal dosing (below 400mg weekly). Two problems with DECA--weekly doses are too high, and most people do not do a proper recovery cycle. A standard, proper recovery cycle consists of using HCG/Nolvadex. Clomid is only added if the cycle was heavy and prolonged. People who use Dostinex recover more completely than thsoe that do not. There are many variables, and most people do not do things properly.
..Well I did things properly...Had blood work 2 months after a {15 week}deca and test cycle...Everything came back normal...BUT my dick still would not functiom properly for at least 2 more months afterwards...I did standard HCG the last 2 weeks of cycle, along with standard clomid and Nolvadex....I still felt like shit regardless of what the blood test saidDrJMW said:
People can recover from DECA if they use normal dosing (below 400mg weekly). Two problems with DECA--weekly doses are too high, and most people do not do a proper recovery cycle. A standard, proper recovery cycle consists of using HCG/Nolvadex. Clomid is only added if the cycle was heavy and prolonged. People who use Dostinex recover more completely than thsoe that do not. There are many variables, and most people do not do things properly.
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DR, are you suggesting a shot of 200mg a week?
Should Dostinex be used during the cycle or for recovery?
I know dostinex should be used if the nips start tweaking, but was wondering, if in your opinion, it helps the recovery process to use it throughout.
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DR, are you suggesting a shot of 200mg a week?
Should Dostinex be used during the cycle or for recovery?
I know dostinex should be used if the nips start tweaking, but was wondering, if in your opinion, it helps the recovery process to use it throughout.
psychedout
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Muscle up, you seem to know tonnes about deca, so I have a question for you (or anyone else for that matter).
Say you ran something like this.
Week 1-14 Test Enanthate @ 500mg
Week 1-10 Deca @ 250mg
Do you think it would be easier to recover from this since most of the Deca is out of your system??
Thanks.
Say you ran something like this.
Week 1-14 Test Enanthate @ 500mg
Week 1-10 Deca @ 250mg
Do you think it would be easier to recover from this since most of the Deca is out of your system??
Thanks.
No, I think deca at even a low dose is to suppressive...It's not so much the dose as it is the ester...I mean nandrolone{deca} stays in your system for up to 18 months...I would substitude with eq or fina, which are nandrolone derivatives but clear the system MUCH quickerpsychedout said:
muscleup said:
Did you do baseline blood work--you know, something to compare to? You failed to mention your DECA dosing. 15 weeks is a prolonged cycle. You failed to mention exactly your frequency and dosing of your HCG/Nolvadex/Clomid. Lastly, you failed to mention if you used Dsotinex during your DECA cycle. Sometimes, even if you did everything perfect, you need to repeat the recovery cycle..sometimes it has to be repeated two times before concluding you have nothing to recover.
jgb0607 said:
I AM SUGGESTING THAT 400MG OR OVER REQUIRES DOSTINEX. BELOW THIS LEVEL, ONLY IF YOU ARE PRONE TO GYNO (LIKE WHEN USING TESTOSTERONE). PEOPLE WHO ARE PRONE TO ESTROGENIC SIDES ALSO SEEM PRONE TO PROLACTIN/PROGESTERONE SIDES AS WELL. DOSTINEX SHOULD BE USED DURING THE CYCLE. SOME FOLKS HAVE USED IT DURING RECOVERY AND SOME HAVEN'T. THOSE THAT USED DOSTINEX DURING THE DECA CYCLE RECOVERED BETTER WITH THE STANDARD HCG/NOLVADEX REGIMEN THAN THOSE THAT DIDN'T USE DOSTINEX. I CAN'T SAY THAT DOSTINEX IS MANDATORY DURING RECOVERY AT THIS TIME.
I am doing a cycle of deca (am on 7th week of a 12 weeks cycle).
Dosage is 300-400mg/week (175lbs, 5"8).
My dick is functionning fine, actually sometimes at work, it rises up like a hardcore pol and i have to wait until it goes back b/f i can leave my desk. I am also taking one tab of proviron and nolvadex since the start of my cycle. Maybe that helped.
Dosage is 300-400mg/week (175lbs, 5"8).
My dick is functionning fine, actually sometimes at work, it rises up like a hardcore pol and i have to wait until it goes back b/f i can leave my desk. I am also taking one tab of proviron and nolvadex since the start of my cycle. Maybe that helped.
Blood work said I had recovered...Everything was in the normal range....But No baseline blood work was done....HCG last 2 weeks of cycle 1000i.u.'s per day....Clomid....Day-1-300mgs...days 2-14-100mgs per day...days 15-21-50mgs...Nolvadex@10-20mgs per day throughout....I NEVER WENT ABOVE 400MGS PER WEEK...No Dsotinex was used...DrJMW said:
psychedout
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I think that the moral of this thread is that everyone reacts differently to Deca.
Personally I have not tried it, but I plan to at some point, if I react bad to it, then to hell with it... if I react good to it, then i'll probly continue to use it in the future... in reasonable doses of course.
Personally I have not tried it, but I plan to at some point, if I react bad to it, then to hell with it... if I react good to it, then i'll probly continue to use it in the future... in reasonable doses of course.
ive run deca once, and that was with test (sust).
just reading this board for around the last year and a half is making me not want to take it. I ran it 600mg/week for 8 weeks. I then realized it was too much to take. My roomate took right under 300mg a week, and he gained about as much as i did.
you need to add to the moral of the story that you dont need to take 800mg deca /week.
just reading this board for around the last year and a half is making me not want to take it. I ran it 600mg/week for 8 weeks. I then realized it was too much to take. My roomate took right under 300mg a week, and he gained about as much as i did.
you need to add to the moral of the story that you dont need to take 800mg deca /week.
I think the underlying moral to almost every one of these threads is that it is getting harder and harder to find reliable, consistant, and sterile gear. The more gear I see tested the more I realize that a lot of the problem isn't that people react THAT differently to gear, it is more that even the "trusted" vet companies and underground labs, have terrible consistancy and product control. WE REALLY DONT KNOW WHAT WE ARE SHOOTING....lol
hard as rocks
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200mg of deca a week is enough for the postive results of deca.
all your aches and pains go away at that low dose.
i cant imagine using 800mg a week.it wuld just be a big waste of money and harder on the body, 400mg max doasge
all your aches and pains go away at that low dose.
i cant imagine using 800mg a week.it wuld just be a big waste of money and harder on the body, 400mg max doasge
