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iamnikvanhelsing
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Are they ok to use together in a cycle?
Deca and Tren
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LVTitan
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i dont know, i've heard several different sides to this myself.
i've heard that deca and tren "fight for same receptors" since they are both nandrolone based... but i dont know if that is just a myth or not.
also deca will tend to add some intramuscular fat, and tren is supposed to help cut fat right ?
again i have no idea i'm just throwing some things to think about out there. i know it's not much help.
i've heard that deca and tren "fight for same receptors" since they are both nandrolone based... but i dont know if that is just a myth or not.
also deca will tend to add some intramuscular fat, and tren is supposed to help cut fat right ?
again i have no idea i'm just throwing some things to think about out there. i know it's not much help.
Izzman
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muscleup said:
Just came off this very cycle the last week or so of Tren (75mg EOD), NPP (150mg 2X Week), and Var (30mg ED) for 6 weeks only, gained about 17 or so Lbs after initial water weight was dropped and thankfully am currently holding. Was a very sweet stack indeed, strength was UNBELIVABLE and the mass came so quick it was amazing. However I noticed that I had to end it at 6 weeks due to the fact that gains seem to have stopped around 4-5 weeks or so even after bumping up my cals, so maybe there is some truth to receptor competition among the nandrolones or maybe the body can only put on so much mass in such a short time, I really don't know. But that's my story.
FlexManning
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They will work okay together, it's really just a waste to combine them. If you want safety it should be something like deca and primo, and if you want fast results you want tren and and a compound that's not nor-test based. When I say they will work okay together, I mean 375mg a week of tren and 200 mg a week of deca might bring better results than 575mg a week of deca (that number's just for example) but there's just really not much point in stacking the two in most people's opinions.
But then again, I can see a guy saying he wants the benefits of tren but he wants some deca for joint benefits and isn't scared of "deca dick". As far as suppression, if we're talking HPTA suppression I hate to tell all these test freaks but TEST is in fact much more suppressive than deca. Even 200-400mg of test weekly causes near 100% suppression of natural test within a month or so. Deca simply gets it's reputation for suppression from the fact that it reduces natural test while not supplying any exogenous test.
Long and short of it though is that it's not an ideal stack as there are much better combinations for almost any purpose intended. IOW, this is not the stack to "order" but if you already have it lying around you are not a nut for doing it.
But then again, I can see a guy saying he wants the benefits of tren but he wants some deca for joint benefits and isn't scared of "deca dick". As far as suppression, if we're talking HPTA suppression I hate to tell all these test freaks but TEST is in fact much more suppressive than deca. Even 200-400mg of test weekly causes near 100% suppression of natural test within a month or so. Deca simply gets it's reputation for suppression from the fact that it reduces natural test while not supplying any exogenous test.
Long and short of it though is that it's not an ideal stack as there are much better combinations for almost any purpose intended. IOW, this is not the stack to "order" but if you already have it lying around you are not a nut for doing it.
LVTitan said:
You got it right, BabyTiTan....
Both of them compete for the same receptors, thus they won't work together efficiently as say if you stacked Deca and Winstrol -or- Tren and Winstrol.
The point is to stack drugs that don't compete and work via different receptors to maximize the anabolic effect. That's the idea anyway.
DIV
Tux
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Gotta disagree with you Div on one point. There is only ONE AR receptor. All androgens/anabolics will attach to it, they don't "compete" with each other simply b/c they're different compounds. I've used both together and separately, they are just as effective. However, as they are different compounds, the exert different anabolic effects via other means than simply increasing nitrogen retention. Thus, they would actually benefit from each other, not compete. As long as you have empty androgen receptors, ANY steroid you take will fill them. If you're taking more gear than you have androgen receptors, then binding affinity comes into play, but that is not the case here. All that aside, tren/deca can lead to progesterone sides and loss of sexual functioning. Unless you already know how they'll affect you, I'd pick one or the other, and have dostinex handy. Also, an HRT amount of test would be good for most people to keep sex drive normal.
Tux
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Bro, Anabolics 2005 is RIPE with errors. Just b/c a "smart" guy wrote it, and much of the info is good, doesn't mean it all is. Deca is nandrolone, tren is a derivative of nandrolone but works via different pathways. According to your book knowledge, test/dbol is a crappy stack too, but no one here will buy that. Dbol is a direct derivative of test, but does it compete with test? NO. Again, there is only ONE AR receptor. Until you fill every single one, no steroid is going to preferentially bind to the receptors before another type. If you fill them ALL, well, then it doesn't matter what you take, you won't grow more. Basically, the idea that any steroids compete for the same receptor is pretty much groundless.
LVTitan
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FlexManning said:
the reason they consider it a harder shutdown is not because of the fact that your natty production is stopped.. this is true w/all aas.
the reason it is a 'harder shutdown' is because RECOVERY is more difficult when using nandrolone compounds than test based compounds..
hope this clears it up for you a little.
titaN
Tux
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View, thanks for reinforcing my point. If you can't ever fill all your androgen receptors, then there is no possible way competition can occur. And Div, it's not an arguement as to what stack works better for certain people, we all know that. It's just that, by your logic, and Mr. Llewellyn's, test/dbol would not work b/c dbol is a derivative of test, just as tren is a derivative of nandrolone. Yet we all know that test/dbol works, very well, for almost everyone. Also, just b/c YOU think he's a genius doesn't mean he is... and even if he were, it doesn't mean he can't make a mistake. My IQ was tested at age 7 to be several points into the "genius potential" category... but am I always right? Hell no. However, in this case, I have science, as well as medical, anecdotal, and personal proof that I am. If you can show me any scientific study that shows that tren and deca, or any two AS for that matter, can "compete" for AR receptors, or that there are different receptors, I'll bow my head and admit I'm wrong. However, not gonna happen. Ask Llewellyn to provide some PROOF for his theories, i'm sure if he has it he won't mind showing you.... but I wouldn't count on him finding any proof, as I don't think any exists.
iamnikvanhelsing
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Well I go to bed with 1 reply and get up to 2 pages!
The reason I asked the question is because I was gonna run a Sus/EQ/Tren cycle starting today, only problem is my EQ hasn't arrived yet and I need to get on this 12 weeker now so I'm done bang on time for my hols! So I've got my Sus already and I had some Deca lying around also, so my thought was this:
week 1-12 Sus250 250mg/week
week 1-6 Deca 200mg/week
week 8-12 Tren 150mg/week (Using BD Tri-Trenbol 150)
Was gonna leave the 2 week gap between the Deca and Tren so the Deca was less in the blood when I start the Tren, but after hearing som replies I'm thinking I could run the Deca for 8 Weeks then switch to Tren?? Saying that though if my EQ arrives this week I will ditch the Deca full stop and save it for next time!
What do you think about that?
The reason I asked the question is because I was gonna run a Sus/EQ/Tren cycle starting today, only problem is my EQ hasn't arrived yet and I need to get on this 12 weeker now so I'm done bang on time for my hols! So I've got my Sus already and I had some Deca lying around also, so my thought was this:
week 1-12 Sus250 250mg/week
week 1-6 Deca 200mg/week
week 8-12 Tren 150mg/week (Using BD Tri-Trenbol 150)
Was gonna leave the 2 week gap between the Deca and Tren so the Deca was less in the blood when I start the Tren, but after hearing som replies I'm thinking I could run the Deca for 8 Weeks then switch to Tren?? Saying that though if my EQ arrives this week I will ditch the Deca full stop and save it for next time!
What do you think about that?
Tux
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Sure, why not? Mine was 1480, lol, I suck at math 
Let's all post up how smart we are, yay! Sorry if that sounded too snobby or superior, I simply meant to point out that no one is infallible, regardless of "genius" standing or not. Meaning that just b/c Div THINKS llewellyn is a genius doesn't mean he is, nor does it mean everything he says is true, or even based on any sort of factual findings.
Let's all post up how smart we are, yay! Sorry if that sounded too snobby or superior, I simply meant to point out that no one is infallible, regardless of "genius" standing or not. Meaning that just b/c Div THINKS llewellyn is a genius doesn't mean he is, nor does it mean everything he says is true, or even based on any sort of factual findings.
Guvna
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Tux said:Sure, why not? Mine was 1480, lol, I suck at math
I knew what you meant; I was just messing with ya.
Boston Strangler
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I would not take them both for the reason that they both shut you down HARD. And combined just may not be the best way to use them. That's my 2 cents.
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