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Deadlifts-very good or not useful?

snorkles

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I hear different things about these. I hear that they must be included in every program but I know very very lean guys who avoid doing this exercise, mainly because they say it is very bad for their back. I currently do them but I dont know where exactly they help me build up. Should I focus on Lunges more than deadlifts? thanks.
 
Deadlifts don't hurt you. There isn't an exercise in the world that will hurt you. What hurts you is bad technique and bad form.

Deadlift, imo and the opinions of thousands, is the second most important workout. Core/lower back strength is 100% necessary.

Order Starting Strength by Mark Rippetoe.
 
Ugh........ You are kidding right? You say that you can't feel what they build up. Post your sets and reps for the DL and the weights you are using. Not mythical Internet numbers, but the REAL weights you are pulling. You should be feeling them in most of your major muscle groups. DLs usually make my hams, low, mid, and upper back, traps, grip, and abds sore. I would keep doing the deads and incorporate lunges and other single leg exercises on another day.
 
snorkles said:
I hear different things about these. I hear that they must be included in every program but I know very very lean guys who avoid doing this exercise, mainly because they say it is very bad for their back. I currently do them but I dont know where exactly they help me build up. Should I focus on Lunges more than deadlifts? thanks.

If deadlifts are "bad for your back" how do you pick anything up of the ground? I'm sorry to tell you but everytime you bend down and pick something up (even your dirty socks) you are doing a deadlift.

I could write two pages about why you should deadlift, but I wont. I'll just say it is an essential movment and should be in every workout routine.

I'm sure many pussies out there can come up with great reasons not to deadlift but it's your choice... you can be a pussy and make excuses or you can deadlift like a man.
 
Deads are one of the king daddies of mass building. If your not doing them your missing out on exceptional muscle growth. I love deads and get a woody every time I get to do them.
People who don't use them are pussies no if ands or buts.
 
Deadlifts are my favorite exercise. The soreness I feel after is greater than that from squatting or heavy presses. Its a mandatory strength builder.
 
Deadlifts will make you way way stronger and increase test naturally.
 
royale13ii said:
Deadlifts are my favorite exercise. The soreness I feel after is greater than that from squatting or heavy presses. Its a mandatory strength builder.
ditto
 
NJL52 said:
Deadlifts don't hurt you. There isn't an exercise in the world that will hurt you. What hurts you is bad technique and bad form.

Deadlift, imo and the opinions of thousands, is the second most important workout. Core/lower back strength is 100% necessary.

Order Starting Strength by Mark Rippetoe.

What is the first most important? Squats?
 
I use dummbells for squats currently. about 25kg each side.

and I was looking at barbell deadlifts and dummbell squats and they looked prettey similar to me: whats the difference?

http://www.exrx.net/WeightExercises/Quadriceps/DBSquat.html

and why are these type of deadlifts different?

http://www.exrx.net/WeightExercises/Hamstrings/DBStrBackStrLegDeadlift.html
http://www.exrx.net/WeightExercises/ErectorSpinae/BBDeadlift.html
http://www.exrx.net/WeightExercises/ErectorSpinae/DBStraightLegDeadlift.html

( i once tried out the last exercise and that hurt)

which is the best to do?

I dont use barbell for squats because I have a problem putting the barbell back on the floor (since it will be behind my neck) after 8 heavy reps.


If I am to do squats and deadlifts should I do these 2?

http://www.exrx.net/WeightExercises/Quadriceps/DBSquat.html
http://www.exrx.net/WeightExercises/ErectorSpinae/BBDeadlift.html
 
If you can't (or won't) join a Gym with squats stands, rack, or cage, then I suggest behind the back BB deadlifts - the original hack squats.
 
Deadlifts are quite possible the most useful (in my mind, tied with squats) since they target so many of the important muscles- glutes, hams, quads, lower back, traps..

I believe what deadlifts have taught me was how to lift properly, something everyone should learn- keep your back straight and dont arch your friggin' back- its impossible to injure yourself if you do this lift properly.

Maybe people "pull" their backs because they reach down or around an object and try to pick it up. You will not pull your back after doing deadlifts, or, at least if you think about lifting something properly.
Lower back is used for squats, deadlifts, even bench-press.
You cant go wrong with this exercise, the benefits are just incredible, and, as mentioned previously multiple times: Its a real man's exercise!
 
Synpax said:
Increase test? How?

I'm sorry my bad, I should have said GH (growth hormone) levels, not test.

When doing heavy weights that require a large amount of muscles involved to do the movement, like deadlifts and squats your body naturally produces higher levels of GH which is a protein and produced in the brains pituitary gland and secretes into the bloodstream. It travels to the muscles and enhances muscle growth and to fat cells where it improves the release of fat. It also travels to the liver where it increases the release of insulinlike growth factor-I or IGF-I. When you raise your levels of GH it drives the anabolic effects that that lead to muscle regeneration and growth, aswell as encourage the use of fat for energy.

Do a google search on "Growth Hormone Training Program". You can increase this by doing this GH level workout.
 
NJL52 said:
Deadlifts don't hurt you. There isn't an exercise in the world that will hurt you. What hurts you is bad technique and bad form.

Deadlift, imo and the opinions of thousands, is the second most important workout. Core/lower back strength is 100% necessary.

Order Starting Strength by Mark Rippetoe.

Actually for me Lateral Raises will hurt me. My rotator cuff is a bit off at the moment and the old doc strongly suggested I refrain from that movement. (not that it is germane to the thread in any way whatsoever)

As for Dead Lifts, love 'em. Every Wednesday for me.
 
drm said:
Actually for me Lateral Raises will hurt me. My rotator cuff is a bit off at the moment and the old doc strongly suggested I refrain from that movement. (not that it is germane to the thread in any way whatsoever)

As for Dead Lifts, love 'em. Every Wednesday for me.

lol. Point was that any standard lift done proper puts no risk on any body part. They utilize natural body movements at their most mechanically efficient and safe patterns. Injuries change your body structure and what your body is capable of.

And whoever asked what the most important is, that would be forearm curls.

lol....of course, squats.
 
NJL52 said:
lol. Point was that any standard lift done proper puts no risk on any body part. They utilize natural body movements at their most mechanically efficient and safe patterns. Injuries change your body structure and what your body is capable of.

And whoever asked what the most important is, that would be forearm curls.

lol....of course, squats.

No, lol, I got your meaning. I was just using it as an excuse to piss and moan.

Due to the minor injury, I decided this was as good of a time as any to try the Bill Starr workout. Darn thing has me doing squats three times per week which is a different experience than simply doing legs once per week. I like squats but I'm getting kind of a big ass (it IS muscle, but still...).
 
To be honest, I don't really feel deadlifts in my muscles that much, just all over exhaustion. I can feel it a bit in my hamstrings, lower back, but even though I'm going all out, getting my HR to 160 in 3-5 rep range, it doesn't seem to result in extremely fatigued muscles, just general fatigue. SLDL fatigue my hamstrings far more. Am I meant to feel deadlifts in my upper back?
 
nolongerconfused said:
Deads are one of the king daddies of mass building. If your not doing them your missing out on exceptional muscle growth. I love deads and get a woody every time I get to do them.
People who don't use them are pussies no if ands or buts.


Well I really can't say it any better than this so I'll just quote it.

Cheers,
Scotsman
 
I am doing them just verified. thanks for all the replies. Today I searched for vids of deadlifts to perfect my form and enjoyed doing them
 
PoweredUp said:
I feel deadlifts like a mother fucker in my upper back/traps. Are you finishing the movement properly by standing fully errect?

Maybe not - I will check this on Weds when I do them next. Should I roll my shoulders back & lean back, or just do the shoulder thing (which is what I think I have been doing)
 
Sim882 said:
Maybe not - I will check this on Weds when I do them next. Should I roll my shoulders back & lean back, or just do the shoulder thing (which is what I think I have been doing)

Shoulders always "down"...relax those traps and never "roll" them on a deadlift.
 
no one is impressed by some fatass bouncing weight off of his chest. you want to hear people gasp? pick up 600-700lbs. off of the floor....it's something you can apply at anytime/anywhere there is something heavy lying about....
 
HumanTarget said:
no one is impressed by some fatass bouncing weight off of his chest. you want to hear people gasp? pick up 600-700lbs. off of the floor....it's something you can apply at anytime/anywhere there is something heavy lying about....

I don't go along with that. I used to be an olympic lifter pulling big weights from the floor, but it was the heavy bench pressers who always got the most attention.

No one is really interested in seeing anyone deadlift. 1st - Bench, 2nd - probably curls...then maybe squats...and dead last - deadlifts.

Sad but true.
 
drm said:
No, lol, I got your meaning. I was just using it as an excuse to piss and moan.

Due to the minor injury, I decided this was as good of a time as any to try the Bill Starr workout. Darn thing has me doing squats three times per week which is a different experience than simply doing legs once per week. I like squats but I'm getting kind of a big ass (it IS muscle, but still...).

I do squats three times a week also, trying to make up for lost time due to six knee surgeries in the past 8 years, not fun.
 
tropo said:
I don't go along with that. I used to be an olympic lifter pulling big weights from the floor, but it was the heavy bench pressers who always got the most attention.

No one is really interested in seeing anyone deadlift. 1st - Bench, 2nd - probably curls...then maybe squats...and dead last - deadlifts.

Sad but true.

We must train in different gyms...
 
b fold the truth said:
We must train in different gyms...

It would seem so....but I can't count the number of gyms I've trained in over the last 30 years in many different countries.

BTW, I'm talking about bodybuilding type gyms, not gyms specializing in power lifting or olympic lifting.
 
trizo said:
I do squats three times a week also, trying to make up for lost time due to six knee surgeries in the past 8 years, not fun.

Don't you think that 3 squat workouts per week is extremely excessive for someone recovering from knee surgery?

Lost time is lost time... it's gone.

Perhaps your past excesses are the reason why your knees required surgery in the first place.
 
tropo said:
It would seem so....but I can't count the number of gyms I've trained in over the last 30 years in many different countries.

BTW, I'm talking about bodybuilding type gyms, not gyms specializing in power lifting or olympic lifting.

I gotcha man. I own a consulting company for Special Education as well as a Supplement shop that supplies a lot of gyms (and trying to get a magazine to move off the market stands too) so I spend a lot of time going from gym to gym.

So many people ask me questions how to get big like me and when I tell them they will say "but my arms look better than yours." Or on the opposite end of the spectrum they will say "your arms are huge, what do you do for them?" and when I tell them that I do about 2 sets of really light curls a week, if ANY, they look at me like I'm talking Chinese or something (I can't say Greek because that is what we speak here...lol).

I have been forced to train at gyms like such from time to time (because of health issues) and I'll grow training "bodybuilding style" and people will see me like I'm a freak in the gym and they can never accept that it is the exercises that I do, the intensity that I bring into the gym, and the food that I eat that gives me the results. They only assume that it comes from a bottle sitting somewhere in my cabinet at home.

They have all stayed the same or lost ground this year. I've knocked on death's door, said hello, and gained 50 lbs back.
 
tropo said:
Don't you think that 3 squat workouts per week is extremely excessive for someone recovering from knee surgery?

Lost time is lost time... it's gone.

Perhaps your past excesses are the reason why your knees required surgery in the first place.

I had my last knee surgury 6 years ago. Two years of nonstop work, then a year to recover. So no, I don't think it's excessive, it feels good. :)
 
silver_shadow said:
what's that about bro?

Severe ulcerative colitis. Meant I was on the toilet pushing out blood 10-20x a day for months on end. Took high doses of cortisone tablets for it, they eat muscle and make you look horrible too.
 
nolongerconfused said:
Deads are one of the king daddies of mass building. If your not doing them your missing out on exceptional muscle growth. I love deads and get a woody every time I get to do them.
People who don't use them are pussies no if ands or buts.


LOL
 
Colitis is horrible, glad you made it back 100% b

deads give you a wide waist, hurt your back and over develop unattractive looking traps. Definitely not the kind of lift you would want to be doing.
 
Tweakle said:
Colitis is horrible, glad you made it back 100% b

Not 100% yet...but I'm learning.


Tweakle said:
deads give you a wide waist, hurt your back and over develop unattractive looking traps. Definitely not the kind of lift you would want to be doing.

I have a waist MUCH smaller than my hips and chest.

In general, the best deadlifters are the ones with the smaller waists.

I have a very strong back and deadlifts do not hurt them.

My traps are one of the body parts which get the most compliments.

I deadlift 2x a week in some form or fashion.
 
Andy Bolton has a svelte midsection Kate moss would envy, but I was joking B, the now that deads and any other kind of heavy stuff aren't necessary in the 2k8 version of this forum..
 
Tweakle said:
Andy Bolton has a svelte midsection Kate moss would envy, but I was joking B, the now that deads and any other kind of heavy stuff aren't necessary in the 2k8 version of this forum..

:)

I always love it when people are 190 lbs and look at deadlifts like they are the deciding factor if THEY will win the Olympia this year or not...
 
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