dbol PCT????

[stevesmi]

Steve, Nolva won't help bring your natural test levels back, but wouldn't it at least help to suppress a post test estrogen spike? Not really a great pct, but better than nothing, no?

perhaps, but it isn't even the best at dropping estrogen, not even close. and also dropping estrogen is just one of the bases you have to cover in PCT. forma stanzo during dbol will keep estrogen at bay easily.. i know cause i ran a dbol cycle myself with forma and my estrogen was on the LOW end after blood test, so forma not only worked but it worked TOO WELL.

when it comes to SERMS, I think clomid blows nolva away. and I also think running hcg and HMG as a kickstart and then clomid along with unleashed/post cycle is the best pct option for a strong recovery. thats how you cover all your bases.. see my link in my sig

 

[stevesmi]

Hey man 20mg is a real low dosage, could I ask what kind of gains you made?

i disagree.. 20mg dbol is the sweet spot.. 30mg you start getting some sides..

i would suggest running 20mg dbol with 50mg proviron ED and forma.. you will get rock hard and bigger in those 3 weeks with virtually zero sides. try it. you don't need high doses of AAS, you just need the right amounts.

 

[Nelson Montana]

i disagree.. 20mg dbol is the sweet spot.. 30mg you start getting some sides..

I would suggest running 20mg dbol with 50mg proviron ed and forma.. You will get rock hard and bigger in those 3 weeks with virtually zero sides. Try it. You don't need high doses of aas, you just need the right amounts.

+1.

 

[novicefit]

i disagree.. 20mg dbol is the sweet spot.. 30mg you start getting some sides..

i would suggest running 20mg dbol with 50mg proviron ED and forma.. you will get rock hard and bigger in those 3 weeks with virtually zero sides. try it. you don't need high doses of AAS, you just need the right amounts.

That last sentence is so true

 

[novicefit]

Also if you search the boards from about 10 years ago, 20mgs dbol was pretty much the standard dose. So what happened? Did 'we' just get gluttonous along the way?

 

[bicepsmaximus]

Thanks for all the input guys and I do realize that what I'm doing is definitely not ideal and I agree 100% with most of your points about how to make a safe recovery but it is what it is now...for my second cycle I will make sure it's done perfectly!

As for the dosage all I can say is 20mg was plenty for me personally and I agree with your point that anything more is probably just the natural human greed taking over. I took 10 mg about an hour before each workout with a meal and another 10 mg within an hour after my workout with a meal and I am completely ecstatic about the gains I made. I went from 180 pre cycle to about 205 now with suprisingly low levels of water retention; in fact probably not as much water weight as creatine mono has given me in the past. From my own judgement I'm confident that I'll lose around 10 lbs once I'm off and keep a good, lean 15 lbs of gains.

Now that we've got a good discussion going, what would you guys turn to for a second cycle if you were in my shoes? Thanks again!

 

[stevesmi]

Also if you search the boards from about 10 years ago, 20mgs dbol was pretty much the standard dose. So what happened? Did 'we' just get gluttonous along the way?

my theory is some guys have burned out androgen receptors from steroid abuse. so they have to do mega doses or their bodies will not react to it. its like having an A/C will a bad compressor, it has to work 3X as hard to cool down your house.

anyone who does have burned out receptors you can lay off AAS for a couple years then come back.. you will hopefully get back fresh receptors.

 

[stevesmi]

Thanks for all the input guys and I do realize that what I'm doing is definitely not ideal and I agree 100% with most of your points about how to make a safe recovery but it is what it is now...for my second cycle I will make sure it's done perfectly!

As for the dosage all I can say is 20mg was plenty for me personally and I agree with your point that anything more is probably just the natural human greed taking over. I took 10 mg about an hour before each workout with a meal and another 10 mg within an hour after my workout with a meal and I am completely ecstatic about the gains I made. I went from 180 pre cycle to about 205 now with suprisingly low levels of water retention; in fact probably not as much water weight as creatine mono has given me in the past. From my own judgement I'm confident that I'll lose around 10 lbs once I'm off and keep a good, lean 15 lbs of gains.

Now that we've got a good discussion going, what would you guys turn to for a second cycle if you were in my shoes? Thanks again!

2nd cycle would be primo/masteron with test. 10 week cycle. you can kickstart it with 20mg dbol

 

[bicepsmaximus]

Yeah? I've been getting fairly repeated advice to go with a cycle involving deca for my 2nd one...what's your experiences with primo and masteron? Ive been told primo is great for huge strength gains without the mass but im not very familiar with masteron.

 

[stevesmi]

Yeah? I've been getting fairly repeated advice to go with a cycle involving deca for my 2nd one...what's your experiences with primo and masteron? Ive been told primo is great for huge strength gains without the mass but im not very familiar with masteron.

you already want to run a 2nd cycle cause you are excited, so deca wouldn't be good to run for a 2nd cycle cause recovery will take a while and newbs always want to run another cycle quickly.. so bad choice on deca for that reason.

primo and masteron i've run... both are awesome.. .slow and quality gains without the water.

pick one and stack with test for 10 weeks.