DBOL DURING pct....

[JKurz1]

I've read some on here using Dbol at 10mg during their pct and rcovering 100%....Is this a falicy? Seems like a horrible Idea to me and something that will lead to HRT, aka...lifer. I'm coming off of just 250mg test/week for 20 weeks and with a proper pct for 8 weeks, hope to recover in full. I just wanted to hear the thouhts on this...wouldnt it be much much safer to just come clean with hcg clomid and nolva....and maybe some clen, igf?


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[T-Matt]

I've read some on here using Dbol at 10mg during their pct and rcovering 100%....Is this a falicy? Seems like a horrible Idea to me and something that will lead to HRT, aka...lifer. I'm coming off of just 250mg test/week for 20 weeks and with a proper pct for 8 weeks, hope to recover in full. I just wanted to hear the thouhts on this...wouldnt it be much much safer to just come clean with hcg clomid and nolva....and maybe some clen, igf?


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You read right I'm going to be doing the 10mg AM dbol PCT as well with my HCG, Nolvadex, and AIFM.. Will let you know when i start PCT in the beginning of the year..

The logic behind it is that dbol has such a rapid active life.. Your body produces most of its testosterone in the evening hours. The 10mg dbol AM dosing suggests that there will be no suppresion since the dbol would have already cleared your system and your testosterone levels would not be out of wack.. Many people have used this protocol very successfully.. I plan on adding my name to the list

T-Matt

 

[JKurz1]

i still disagree......ca u disply proof?

 

[shivastool]

only way to be sure is to get bloodwork a few weeks after PCT ends...assuming one does not jump right back on (cycle) of course.

 

[boston789]

Jkurz, you beat me to it dude. I've been researchying this for a couple of weeks now and was going to start a thread on people's thoughts about it...if they have done it before, etc. T-matt's explanation does make sense but I'm assuming there is more to it than just that. They used to do it in the ol' days and it obviously worked well. I was thinking about it myself along with IGF when I come off. Even though I just got on a week and half ago.

 

[Cutt29]

http://www.elitefitness.com/forum/showthread.php?t=513770

 

[210toosmall]

i thought that the idea behind it was that your test level is highest in the am so if you take the dbol first thing your kinda riding the wave so to speak because of the half life it doesnt have the time to supress.

 

[T-Matt]

i thought that the idea behind it was that your test level is highest in the am so if you take the dbol first thing your kinda riding the wave so to speak because of the half life it doesnt have the time to supress.

that is exactly right.. it is secreted in the evening and hits the crest in the am

T-Matt

 

[JKurz1]

bump

 

[Neo22]

You read right I'm going to be doing the 10mg AM dbol PCT as well with my HCG, Nolvadex, and AIFM.. Will let you know when i start PCT in the beginning of the year..

The logic behind it is that dbol has such a rapid active life.. Your body produces most of its testosterone in the evening hours. The 10mg dbol AM dosing suggests that there will be no suppresion since the dbol would have already cleared your system and your testosterone levels would not be out of wack.. Many people have used this protocol very successfully.. I plan on adding my name to the list

T-Matt

LOL your body produces the most test in the morning and the number lowers throughout the day bro. Doing dbol in pct defeats the purpose of pct.

 

[njmuscleguy]

this method is definitely going to gain more popularity.... especially by people whose PCT's in the past have been less than stellar.... Here is what the "theory" behind this method is from those that are pro-AM Dbol method - I'm not saying I agree or disagree, never done it myself, but am ready to try it at any given time if/when my next PCT fails: (taken from steroid.com)

"In order to successfully bridge between cycles (and this means using a low dose of AAS, in this case dbol), you need to recover your natural hormonal levels to pre-cycle levels or to within acceptable parameters, and then you start your next cycle. The idea here is that you won´t lose any gains, but rather a low dose of an AAS will help you maintain them. Typically, you´d use around 10mgs/day of dbol and combine it with an aggressive Post-Cycle Therapy (PCT) course of Nolvadex (and/or Clomid) and HCG. This would give you full androgen replacement from the Dbol and a shot at recovering your natural hormonal levels via the other stuff you are taking. Remember, the 100mg/day dose of dbol in the study we looked at earlier did not suppress Test, LH, or FSH to a degree that would make recovery impossible and certainly not with 1/10th that dose in conjunction with an aggressive PCT."

 

[JKurz1]

This is one of most ridiculous theories I've ever heard regarding AAS.

Your body can't recover if you are still using AAS.

......and why on earth would you choose D-bol to run alone during PCT?

That's a disaster waiting to happen.

 

[Jabs]

10 m/g of dbol would surpress your natural production, you would just be bridging your cycles together. Nothing wrong with it but you are stilling staying on.

 

[ricorico]

LOL your body produces the most test in the morning and the number lowers throughout the day bro. Doing dbol in pct defeats the purpose of pct.

right, your natural testosterone is highest upon waking up, taking the dbol in the am when waking up , will just "ride" (for the lack of a better word) the wave of your natty test. then levels drop as usual and the body will still produce it...ive never actualluy done the bridge, but have always considered it. ill only do it if i have a REALLY REALLY BAD crash.

 

[Neo22]

this method is definitely going to gain more popularity.... especially by people whose PCT's in the past have been less than stellar.... Here is what the "theory" behind this method is from those that are pro-AM Dbol method - I'm not saying I agree or disagree, never done it myself, but am ready to try it at any given time if/when my next PCT fails: (taken from steroid.com)

"In order to successfully bridge between cycles (and this means using a low dose of AAS, in this case dbol), you need to recover your natural hormonal levels to pre-cycle levels or to within acceptable parameters, and then you start your next cycle. The idea here is that you won´t lose any gains, but rather a low dose of an AAS will help you maintain them. Typically, you´d use around 10mgs/day of dbol and combine it with an aggressive Post-Cycle Therapy (PCT) course of Nolvadex (and/or Clomid) and HCG. This would give you full androgen replacement from the Dbol and a shot at recovering your natural hormonal levels via the other stuff you are taking. Remember, the 100mg/day dose of dbol in the study we looked at earlier did not suppress Test, LH, or FSH to a degree that would make recovery impossible and certainly not with 1/10th that dose in conjunction with an aggressive PCT."

100mg a day of dbol DID not supress test lh or fsh LMFAO. What a complete load of shit!!!! Oh and some saying that 10mg a day wont supress your recovery, I guess you're right bc everyone is the same and everyone requires the same dosage and everyone has the same reaction and sensitivity to AAS>

 

[ricorico]

100mg a day of dbol DID not supress test lh or fsh LMFAO. What a complete load of shit!!!! Oh and some saying that 10mg a day wont supress your recovery, I guess you're right bc everyone is the same and everyone requires the same dosage and everyone has the same reaction and sensitivity to AAS>

werd, what might work for some, may not for others....wish i knew ahead of time if it would work for me, be nice to be able to maintain all size while recovering, but i guess thats what igf and gh are for (tho waayyy more expensive)

 

[njmuscleguy]

100mg a day of dbol DID not supress test lh or fsh LMFAO. What a complete load of shit!!!! Oh and some saying that 10mg a day wont supress your recovery, I guess you're right bc everyone is the same and everyone requires the same dosage and everyone has the same reaction and sensitivity to AAS>

RELAX dude.... *I'm* not saying it, I'm just quoting what the popular theory is behind that morning Dbol method... I'm not sure what studies they did to determine that 100mg a day of DBol wasn't suppressive.... I don't have any personal experience (yet) to prove or disprove that a mere 10mg Dbol ED will or won't suppress....do YOU have personal experience with that? bloodwork? Because if you don't, then you can't say that the theory is wrong.....


and just because a general dosage is given as a recommendation, doesn't mean it's bible for EVERYONE...so I don't know what you're getting at with that point.... people throw out general recommendations for AAS, AI's, PCT meds, etc etc etc.... the disclaimer is always there, that everyone is different, use at your discretion.....

As with any other AAS or PCT protocol, people have the perogative to try it and see for themselves.... only then would *I* give out advice based on MY personal experience. If I see other people's results/bloodwork as well as my own (after trying this method), then you can be sure I would let people know if it worked or not.

 

[MR. BMJ]

It's mainly used to prevent crashing after AAS usage and PCT. It's not necessarily used for restoration of your natural test. Everybody is gonna react different here so you can't say just because it looks ridiculous that it isn't gonna work for some.

The question we had in the past for those that did find their natty test return, is that how much restoration DID occur. Meaning, if natty test, etc was restored during and after PCT, along with the am dbol dosage, did it only restore 25%, 75%, 0r was there 100% restoration?

And no, i'm not saying that the dbol is gonna raise test levels, it will only raise androgen levels.

BMJ

 

[Ulter]

Jkurtz, I just posted this on the other thread.
Using AM Dbol is a very widely used course for PCT and Post PCT if the PCT is failing. Most people don't need it. It's been around since the 80's and was written about by Bill Roberts 5 years ago. It's pretty simple. You take 10mg of dbol upon rising when your natural test levels would normally peak. This keeps you from crashing and your body reads the E as normal test production. When the dbol wears off later in the day your HPTA reads the low E and signals the testes to make test again. It works. It's been used on this board by many of the members. It's one of those things that doesn't get discussed much until someone is crashing and I bring it up.

 

[JKurz1]

K.....SO WITH nolv,aimf,clomid and armidex....how would my pct look? much K

 

[njmuscleguy]

K.....SO WITH nolv,aimf,clomid and armidex....how would my pct look? much K

Dude, there are tons and tons of posts on here about that..... different people have different suggestions for PCT... personally, I would recommend you skip the nolvadex and use clomid.... if you're using AIFM then you don't need arimidex (also, I personally think arimidex is crap...but that's just me)

So you could do something like this for up to 4 weeks (or longer if necessary)
50mg Clomid ED
AIFM 1-2 sprays ED

You could throw in HCG in there as well, especially if you ran such a long cycle: day after last test shot, 500iu HCG ED for 10 days, then start clomid the day after last HCG shot...use AIFM throughout PCT

 

[Ulter]

Yeah like that

 

[elmerpr]

Jkurtz, I just posted this on the other thread.
Using AM Dbol is a very widely used course for PCT and Post PCT if the PCT is failing. Most people don't need it. It's been around since the 80's and was written about by Bill Roberts 5 years ago. It's pretty simple. You take 10mg of dbol upon rising when your natural test levels would normally peak. This keeps you from crashing and your body reads the E as normal test production. When the dbol wears off later in the day your HPTA reads the low E and signals the testes to make test again. It works. It's been used on this board by many of the members. It's one of those things that doesn't get discussed much until someone is crashing and I bring it up.

This is perfectly logic to me and, provided i fail to put myself toghether after PCT and crashed miserabily in the past i am more than willing to try this. What's, more... this advise is just a sample of the usefull things we can learn and apply from this forum.

 

[JKurz1]

I am all ears.....if it works fantastic....I just want to hear from some bros who have done this DURING PCT and had blood work done after and were totally RECOVERED,,,,

 

[Ulter]

You should search it. There are many who used this successfully on Elite. I think you know that 95% of the people here don't do blood work. But there might be some that did.

 

[JKurz1]

Mabe that's the true issue...no bloodwork.......so no one really freakin knows,....

 

[JKurz1]

So riddle me this.....why wouldnt everyone just take 1 dbol in the am 365 days a year...what if you just did it one day, what would be the effect? Or just prior to training?