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Dbol bridge...............help requested.
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Mr.X
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wetback said:
I would go with 10-20mgs of ANAVAR ED (5 days/wk) in the AM - go for 4-6 weeks, then go with full PCT (clomid/nolva/clen and some light liquidex).
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Mr.X
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wetback said:
I suggest you run a bridge first with very light PCT then run full PCT after
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You should talk to Ulter. He's run the dbol bridge many times.
_Yossarian_
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Ive used the dbol bridge once before. I must say , its great. But if you want the same effect using anavar, 5mg is not going to do the trick.
krishna
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I hope you're not using a bridge thinking it's going to help you recover your own test production. All you're doing is a smaller cycle inbetween bigger ones. I've read that even 10mg of dbol a day is more than your own endogenous test production and will keep you shut down after a cycle. Haha...that's funny; I was actually researching this some today! My conclusion: it's crap! You're not going to recover so why call it a bridge? Why not just stay on? If anyone has any studies to say otherwise, I'd be happy to read them (doubt any funded studies have been done one steroids for bridging and cycling purposes). The biological evidence suggests that you will not recover during a bridge.
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Mr.X said:I suggest you run a bridge first with very light PCT then run full PCT after
Mr.X
If he's running a bridge that means he will go right back to harder gear after the bridge is through. Why would he do pct?
krishna
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[email protected] said:
If he did, it wouldn't be post cycle therapy. You're right about addressing this.
Originally posted by Fonz
The Dianabol Bridge Explained
I've been reading some of the posts regarding this
bridge and some of them are truly from left-field.
First of, this is a BRIDGE. OK? a B-R-I-D-G-E.
Your LH function and Test levels are supposed
to RECOVER.
Ok, now having said that.
Here's the pharmo-kinetics behind Methandrostenelone,
brand name Dianabol.
10mg taken at once will increase your average testosterone level by 5 times and decrease your endogeneous cosrtisone
by 50-70%.
The reason why dianabol is a good choice for a bridge is that
its VERY anti-catabolic. It also dopaminergic. Giving you the
benefits of increased CNS strength modulation by
its androgenic mode of action.
Androgens, in case you don't know, increase neuro-muscular
function, thus STRENGTH.
OK. Now, lets delve into the metabolic chemistry behind
dianabol's choice as a bridging agent.
When are testosterone levels highest?
Answer: In the AM, thats when.
Your body releases a tesosterone spike in the morning.
This is when tesosterone levels are highest.
When are Insulin levels lowest?
Answer: In the AM thats when.
Low insulin levels=increased protein used as fuel.
(Also fat, but protein is also being converted
to glucose via glucogenesis)
OK, here is where dball's short half-life works for us
(Its 3.2-4.5 hrs btw)
Lets take Subject X.
He's in bridging mode.
He has just woken up.
The body is about to release tesosterone, thus
creating a spike.
His insulin levels are low.
His LH and test levels are very low.
He pops 10mgs of dianabol.
Here is where things get interesting.
The 10mgs of dianabol will cause a testosterone
spike WHICH COINCIDES WITH the testosterone
released ENDOGENEOUSLY in the AM by the testes.
The body will be partially fooled.
It will not entirely detect the increased levels of testosterone
(above the normal test sipke), thus LH function WILL
REMAIN only partially(Very little actually) suppressed.
In other words, he is "piggy-backing" an extra dose of testosterone on top of the endogeneously reduced one,
thus creating an "inflated" test spike.
Henceforth, LH levels WILL BE ALLOWED TO SLOWLY
RECOVER over time.
Also, dballs anti-catabolic effect will help curb protein-loss
in the morning from low insulogenic levels.
HOWEVER, and here is where almost all of you go wrong.
You CANNOT GO PAST 10mg of dianabol in the AM
for this bridge to work!!!!
Why? Because of the blood levels of dianabol you would generate.
10mg in the AM will be broken down to 5mg in about 4 hrs
(Probably less)
5mg of dianabol, is not enough to cause another rise
in testosterone levels after the precceeding one. Thus,
LH function is allowed to up-regulate.
Anything more(Say 20mgs), will cause a SEDCONDARY
testosterone spike which WILL inhibit LH function further,
thus not allowing LH function to recover.
Oh yeah...100mgs? ROTLMFAO!! Fat chance.
The difference between 20mgs and 10mgs means the difference
between allowing LH to recover slowly and not allowing it to.
So, here's the scenario summed up:
Beginning: LOW LH and test.
Adding the 10mgs dball.
LH is allowed to SLOWLY RECOVER over time as
testosterone levels are kept at a level which
will not cause muscle-loss. Also, dball's anti-catabolic effects
will reduce protein degradation.(Via cortisone
reduction)
This is what i call a double positive. You have managed to
INCREASE anabolism(Test levels) and DECREASE
catabolism(cortisone), during a bridge to boot!!
The bridge should last 8 weeks, NO LESS.
I also have to say, that it WILL NOT restore
complete LH function. It'll get you 80-90%
of the way there but the only way you're going
to get your full LH function back is if you go OFF
completely.
Anavar WILL NOT restore LH completely either btw.
(In case anybody is wondering.)
The difference is that with anavar you can take it
throughout the day and with dball it HAS TO BE
once in the AM.
The Dianabol Bridge Explained
I've been reading some of the posts regarding this
bridge and some of them are truly from left-field.
First of, this is a BRIDGE. OK? a B-R-I-D-G-E.
Your LH function and Test levels are supposed
to RECOVER.
Ok, now having said that.
Here's the pharmo-kinetics behind Methandrostenelone,
brand name Dianabol.
10mg taken at once will increase your average testosterone level by 5 times and decrease your endogeneous cosrtisone
by 50-70%.
The reason why dianabol is a good choice for a bridge is that
its VERY anti-catabolic. It also dopaminergic. Giving you the
benefits of increased CNS strength modulation by
its androgenic mode of action.
Androgens, in case you don't know, increase neuro-muscular
function, thus STRENGTH.
OK. Now, lets delve into the metabolic chemistry behind
dianabol's choice as a bridging agent.
When are testosterone levels highest?
Answer: In the AM, thats when.
Your body releases a tesosterone spike in the morning.
This is when tesosterone levels are highest.
When are Insulin levels lowest?
Answer: In the AM thats when.
Low insulin levels=increased protein used as fuel.
(Also fat, but protein is also being converted
to glucose via glucogenesis)
OK, here is where dball's short half-life works for us
(Its 3.2-4.5 hrs btw)
Lets take Subject X.
He's in bridging mode.
He has just woken up.
The body is about to release tesosterone, thus
creating a spike.
His insulin levels are low.
His LH and test levels are very low.
He pops 10mgs of dianabol.
Here is where things get interesting.
The 10mgs of dianabol will cause a testosterone
spike WHICH COINCIDES WITH the testosterone
released ENDOGENEOUSLY in the AM by the testes.
The body will be partially fooled.
It will not entirely detect the increased levels of testosterone
(above the normal test sipke), thus LH function WILL
REMAIN only partially(Very little actually) suppressed.
In other words, he is "piggy-backing" an extra dose of testosterone on top of the endogeneously reduced one,
thus creating an "inflated" test spike.
Henceforth, LH levels WILL BE ALLOWED TO SLOWLY
RECOVER over time.
Also, dballs anti-catabolic effect will help curb protein-loss
in the morning from low insulogenic levels.
HOWEVER, and here is where almost all of you go wrong.
You CANNOT GO PAST 10mg of dianabol in the AM
for this bridge to work!!!!
Why? Because of the blood levels of dianabol you would generate.
10mg in the AM will be broken down to 5mg in about 4 hrs
(Probably less)
5mg of dianabol, is not enough to cause another rise
in testosterone levels after the precceeding one. Thus,
LH function is allowed to up-regulate.
Anything more(Say 20mgs), will cause a SEDCONDARY
testosterone spike which WILL inhibit LH function further,
thus not allowing LH function to recover.
Oh yeah...100mgs? ROTLMFAO!! Fat chance.
The difference between 20mgs and 10mgs means the difference
between allowing LH to recover slowly and not allowing it to.
So, here's the scenario summed up:
Beginning: LOW LH and test.
Adding the 10mgs dball.
LH is allowed to SLOWLY RECOVER over time as
testosterone levels are kept at a level which
will not cause muscle-loss. Also, dball's anti-catabolic effects
will reduce protein degradation.(Via cortisone
reduction)
This is what i call a double positive. You have managed to
INCREASE anabolism(Test levels) and DECREASE
catabolism(cortisone), during a bridge to boot!!
The bridge should last 8 weeks, NO LESS.
I also have to say, that it WILL NOT restore
complete LH function. It'll get you 80-90%
of the way there but the only way you're going
to get your full LH function back is if you go OFF
completely.
Anavar WILL NOT restore LH completely either btw.
(In case anybody is wondering.)
The difference is that with anavar you can take it
throughout the day and with dball it HAS TO BE
once in the AM.
210toosmall
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it makes some sense.....(if you want it to) the way anfo so elequently explained (k 4 input)
but if natty test is still not recovered 100% in 8 weeks no less, doesnt this put one at an even more vulnerable state the next time one wants to come off?
if you keep it suppressed by 10% it just makes it harder to get back up?
i would be interested to hear "real world" experience........
but if natty test is still not recovered 100% in 8 weeks no less, doesnt this put one at an even more vulnerable state the next time one wants to come off?
if you keep it suppressed by 10% it just makes it harder to get back up?
i would be interested to hear "real world" experience........
fonz was an egomaniacal dick, so his post means nothing as much of what he posted has been proven wrong since that scammer got his ass banned.
That being said, I've run the dbol bridge a few times, and it has left my hpta badly shut down each time, I would rather stay on test and not kid myself as to what I am doing. Anavar does work much better, it may affect hpta recovery somewhat, but no where near the extent that dbol does
That being said, I've run the dbol bridge a few times, and it has left my hpta badly shut down each time, I would rather stay on test and not kid myself as to what I am doing. Anavar does work much better, it may affect hpta recovery somewhat, but no where near the extent that dbol does
210toosmall
New member
good input needsize,makes alot of sense....
You must spread some Karma around before giving it to needsize again.
You must spread some Karma around before giving it to needsize again.
bicepts101
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its easy to be fooled by what fonz used to say. he sounds right and it even sounds logic. at the end he says u can take anavar all day and recover...anyone with a brain can say that is not possible.
an even more logical explaination to the dbol bridge is and why it doesnt work **for recovery** is simply, how can u recovery natural horomons levels when you are still replacing them exogenous ones? the ONLY way to recover is to come off completly.
the only thing i would use this so called "bridging methode" would be to prolong my cycle, ie "cruising" period and to give my body a break on the high doses of steroids...then bang out a high dose runner to get gains back in line. yeah thats technically one cycle but who says i called it 2?....the only compounds good for this IMO are primo, dbol, var, test(of course)
an even more logical explaination to the dbol bridge is and why it doesnt work **for recovery** is simply, how can u recovery natural horomons levels when you are still replacing them exogenous ones? the ONLY way to recover is to come off completly.
the only thing i would use this so called "bridging methode" would be to prolong my cycle, ie "cruising" period and to give my body a break on the high doses of steroids...then bang out a high dose runner to get gains back in line. yeah thats technically one cycle but who says i called it 2?....the only compounds good for this IMO are primo, dbol, var, test(of course)
krishna
New member
ricorico said:grrr....why the F*ck did i get bad karma for my post!!....i speak the truth...back me up here kirshna!
Don't worry rico.....the ones who aren't idiots know you're right. In fonz's post, he says that 10mg a day is 5 times more than your own exogenous production. He contradicts himself to the max. Needsize helped us out with his own experience on this one, and he definitely knows what he's talking about.
Triple J
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there are several reasons why someone would want to run a bridge. one reason being that they have been on a long time and fear experiencing a crash effect, or they are unlucky enough to be in the midst of a crash. if this has ever happened to anyone it is a very serious state of depression and some degree of confusion due to the dramatic hormone swings being experienced. what this indicates is someone came off too quickly, and needs more of a taper. now dbol is strong enough it can prevent this kind of crash, however it will also suppress to a large degree your natural recovery, and it is not testosterone which is what your body really needs, and it also converts to a very potent estrogen which will be even more suppressive. what does make the most sense for this situation, and which can be run right through a well designed PCT, with the least effect on natural T recovery, is proviron.
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