dbol and winny KICKSTART lean mass/cut cycle???

[angel_of_death]

I was lookin on other boards and was reading about people using dbol and winny together to kickstart their lean mass/cut cycle

30mg Dbol............week 1-4

50mg Winny..........week 1-6

The idea being u get the strength/ size gains from dbol without as much water, and burn fat and gain strength and endurance from the winny.

This idea is for a lean mass/cut cycle. With the goal being = getting faster and having more endurance for soccer and gaining good quality muscle while getting more ripped



Any thoughts? Good idea? Bad idea? Liver toxicity?

The cycle this dbol/winny kickstart would be for is.........

My Next Cycle

GOAL = biggest, fastest, strongest soccer player in college.

Test E - 500mg...................................weeks 1-20
EQ - 400mg........................................weeks 1-18

Dbol - 30mg/ED.................................week 1-4
Winny - 50mg/ED...............................week 1-8 + week 14-22

Proviron - 50mg/ED...........................week 1-22
Arimidex - .25mg/ED .........................week 1-22
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HCG - 250iu - 2times per week......... week 4-22

What is your guys opinion on this cycle with a dbol/winny kickstart???


HISTORY

Age - 22
Sex - Male
Weight - 205lbs
Body fat - 10%

1 previous cycle.

Test E - 500mg...................................weeks 1-16
EQ - 400mg........................................weeks 1-14

Dbol - 50mg/ED...............................week 1-6

PCT
Nolvadex........ 40-20-20-20.................week 18-21
Clomid............ 100-50-50-50...............week 18-21

**coming back from injury, was 245pounds 13% bodyfat**

I was training to become a bodybuilder but I got hurt and lost all my hard earned muscle.... from my 1st cycle I went from 220 10% Bf to 245 13% Bf..... down to 205 10% Bf

I am now finally able to workout again and have decided to now take a new path in life, I am trying to play college soccer or football... I am doing this cycle to try to get a lot bigger, faster, stronger and more cut.... I want to go to tryouts in june and blow everyone out of the water.... I want to make the team and play in the fall.... that's my goal..

I appreciate all input from my fellow brothers in iron.

Thank you,

Angel_of_Death

 

[satyricon1]

They are both very liver toxic, if you choose to do that, I would definately get my bloodtests done often to make sure I was not endangering myself too much.

 

[rouss]

Man , I am going to start that same cycle(almost) in a couple of days. kickstart with dbol but then drop the d bol down to 10 mgs every day or every other day. I think your dosage is a lil high for your liver

 

[toronto_elite]

i would do 12-16 weeks max of that but looks like a good set up! minus the winny part..too much strain on the liver. get started on liver support 15 days before ur cycle.milk thistle,liv52 tabs,forged liver support or N2guard.

make sure ur college dont test you for anabolics jussst to be on the safe side

 

[Like_a_Weed]

I used dbol/winny together at the end of my last cycle, loved it so much I'll definately use it again, either to kickstart my next cycle or more likely to finish it off. I think they are a great combo. Both pretty cheap and I think the winny will help with dbol sides and dbol will help with winny sides. Perfect together. I am new to this but thought I'd throw my opinion out there. And they are both cheap! What's not to love. The addition of winny did make me break out pretty bad on my back/shoulders/chest so I woukd hesitate to use it if I was going into a show. Just a couple days off the winny and my skins clearing up already.

 

[digit0x]

Oh snap buddy don't do it. Dbol will give you pumps so hard your shins will explode.

 

[Littleman784]

Ok....why would you do that!!!! Either do just Winny or just Dbol, but not both at the same time!!! Your going to cough your liver out while playing!!! Look man, I'm a soccer player also and I would stick to Eq., Test P. Tbol, and Winny, those will pack on muscle if your diet is good clean calories and the running and cardio from soccer will help you stay cut and lean!!! You need to re think this cycle. What position you play??? What's your height? Cuz I'm 5"11 and 185lbs. As forward and I have no problem throwing my body around into defenders bigger than me, and burning there ass on breakways cuz they can't keep up!!! Lol so I don't really know if alot of mass is really the ideal body type for soccer players??!? Football I can understand, but for endurance running in soccer the more mass you have the more weight you have to haul around!!

 

[ConanX]

How about using the winny at the end of the cycle and just using dbol for the kickstart?
don't get me wrong, I've done tbol and anavar 6 weeks together as a kickstart with retarded results and my liver was better than ever, but its still probably not a good idea and I still think its better to use the dbol to kickstart and get the instant strength/size and to have winny help harden and dry you out at the end. Too bad your doses were that high on your first cycle, otherwise I would have told you to cut back a bit on dosages.