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Day 3 on THERMOREXIN

hardrock said:
I have anxiety and stimulants make me feel shitty. I used to take 1 pill of Xenadrine at a time with no problems. Would this stuff fuck with my anxiety? I'd really like to try it.
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could you take this if you were on a med for anxiety? like zoloft or something like that. i dont know what the sides would be???
 
tinymm said:

could you take this if you were on a med for anxiety? like zoloft or something like that. i dont know what the sides would be???
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people do. though as always its something that you should consult your (or the party's) physician regarding
 
OMFG SIX?!?!! you guys are NUTS. I tried TWO today at 11:00 am and I thought I was going to have to run a marathon to get rid of my extra energy :). Leg day was good though!!!
 
MrMakaveli said:
Anyone gone above 6 yet? :-P
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8.

Over-dosed by accident b/c of an all-nighter and got a massive headache/migraine.

Then again, I could have been the physics problems. :)

Fonz
 
ulter said:
WelshInjectable, I'm with you. I can't imagine how someone takes this before going to sleep.

Bigzogg, I'll have to try that.
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I took one yesterday morn at 8am since i was gonna go into work early. then i realized i didn't need to and went back to sleep around 9 for another hour and a half. not much problems with sleep for me when only takin one.
 
Fonz said:


8.

Over-dosed by accident b/c of an all-nighter and got a massive headache/migraine.

Then again, I could have been the physics problems. :)

Fonz
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Holy hell......You sure your not superhuman?
 
one thing though, just when i opened my big mouth about feeling much better yesterday only taking 2, somthing happens that really has me worried. i was gettin pain right on the outside bottem of my left pec, but definitely NOT pain in the muscle. it was right were the ribs are before the pec, and it felt like it was deep in the ribs or something. too close to my heart for comfort. i wa fine later in the night and this morning, so i took another today, and it's happened again in the past hour or so. i gotta quit takin this for a couple days and see if it's what's causing it. if it keeps up i'll be on my way to the doc soon. and by the way, when i took it today it was only with r-ala and, NO green tea, carnitine, or anything else. i also noticed some pain in my back right to the left of my spine, in the lung area.

i was on NYC 4 weeks and didn't have these pains.

any ideas as to what's goin on?
 
DEHYDRATION.. it is likely a "cramp".. there are muscles there as well and when they cramp it can be very unpleasant. with all the stuff you have been taking the chances of dehydration are definitely higher.

plus you need to make sure that you are getting adequate electrolytes
 
how was i dehydrated though drinkin 2 gallons of water? only thing i can think is that i didn't have enough during my workout. the gym was hot as hell. come to thing of it i only had 32oz instead of the normal 64 during my workout, and i sweat alot more than normal. that was probably the reason, since i didn't add extra water to my PWO meals to make up for it. my heart wasn't pounding and my pulse wasn't out of the ordinary, but it still had me worried.
 
i don't know if you saw it in my post before, since i edited it and added it,
but what about the pain in the back/lung area. kind of a burning pain.
 
well sodium intake is whatever is found in the food i eat, nothing added to it. but you can figure between the deli turkey breast, canned tuna, meat marinades, and creole seasoning or soy sauce that it is pretty high.

potassium and magnesium are whatever is in the foods i eat and what;s in the multi (ast multipro). so they're probably a little low, as i don't eat banana's. only fruit i've been eating is apples. only thing i drink is water so not gettin anything from liquids either.

what doses would you recommend addin of each in form of supplements. i'll start eating banana's instead of apples to get some potassium though. i've just been eating the apple as it's a little lower in carbs and lower GI.
 
i'll try to figure some alternatives to the creole seasoning and soy sauce for my rice. i even got the lite soy sauce but i just end up addin more cause it doesn't taste near as good. plus i'll get the low sodium turkey breast next time and i'll try to focus more on cookin up meat fresh so it hasn't been processed and kept in salt solutions.
 
does taking this lower your blood sugar or something? Cause i've noticed sometimes i feel sick as hell but as soon as I have something sweet, i feel 10 times better. I have been drink tons of water also. not sure, but sometimes i feel like crap until i get a small fix of some sort.
 
Yes it clear out your carbs very rapidly. We keep telling people to go ahead and eat some carbs. People have gotten so used to the carbs being the devil when dieting that it's tough to get them to eat some.


YG, just off the top of my head it looks like about 4 grams of salt per day. That's way too much salt.
 
ulter said:

YG, just off the top of my head it looks like about 4 grams of salt per day. That's way too much salt.
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probably more.. with what one would guess is VERY low pottassium intake.. not a good idea for someone with HIGH BP
 
well i started taking them today, i took one in the morning and one around 5pm. felt fine but i was sweating like hell on that shit! i dint workout today:( i cant wait to take them tomorrow and have a hell of a workout!
one question, when you take these, should you be able to tell you just took it? today i took one in the morning and felt nothing except i was a little hot and sweated more than normal.
thanks, matt
 
ulter said:
IT will build a little so it should "feel" better the 2nd and 3rd day. Look at the name of this thread.

BUT, YOU DON'T HAVE TO FEEL IT FOR IT TO BE WORKING.
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thanks for the reply, ill keep everyone updated....
 
macrophage69alpha said:


probably more.. with what one would guess is VERY low pottassium intake.. not a good idea for someone with HIGH BP
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that's the thing though, it hasn't been high for awhile anytime that i've checked it, including when i was on NYC (although that was close to high normal range). so it's not that it's been high, so thats why i wasn't overly cautious. but it did get high while on t-rex, although that is obviously not the only culprit. i have to re-evaluate some of the things i eat.
 
I've been readin these boards for awhile now and just thought I'd chime inon T-Rex. I've been using 1 pill x a day and dropped 12lbs in 8 days. Definitely good shit. My diet is pretty moderate. Oatmeal or wheat in the morning with 2000mg of fish oil. Lunch is usually chicken salad or a sandwhich from the deli. Then for dinner, nothing but pasta (Italian wife LOL). I do about 30min of cardio a day. I am bumping up to 2 pills today so lets see what happens.

Hey Young Gunz , I don't know if this will help but I had all those pains. The back pain usually goes away after a cup of coffee and massive shit. The pain in the pec area went away after a few days. I think it was due to the fact I still drank like 8 cups of coffee a day. I cut down to 2. Just my .02
 
ulter said:


400mg/test
400mg/eq
300mg/deca

This is my usual maintenance stack for slow growth.
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I'm on 100mg masteron EOD and 100mg Fina EOD.

Thats about 700mg AAS/week......and I'm a blast furnace.

I can only use 4/day T-Rex or my Temp goes through 99F at night.

Fonz
 
well iam on day 3 as of today! i havent lost a singal LB:(
i have been talking a total of two a day,should i take more?
-matt
 
ulter said:
Thanks for posting your results bro.

tinymm while day 3 is a little early you should notice something by now if you're cutting with THERMOREXIN. What happens when you cut without THERMOREXIN? Do you lose any weight?
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thanks for the reply, i have been on the ckd diet since monday june 2nd and lost 14LB, since i started taking thermorexin i havent lost a LB, infact i put on a couple! i have been drinking more water now but i have been eating the same and i still do cardio 5 days a week.
-matt
 
water retention.. likely because of the high sodium content of what typically comprises the CKD diet.

you obviously have not actually gained weight (other than water)..

CKD started june 2... thats 14lbs in 12 days.. 80% of that or more is water...
 
Got mine earlier in the week.

I had a cold so did no cardio or weights. Took one cap twice a day Thurs, Fri and Sat. Can't say I noticed any thermo effects and my hands are steady as a surgeon's. Didn't have much appetite, but that could also be due in part to having a cold.

I took 2 this morning and am heading to the gym to do legs. Will take 2 more after PWO shake. Maybe with some exersize, I'll start to "feel" something :confused:
 
most people judge a "fat burner " by its side effects- its stimulatory ones typically... give it time and see how the results compare.. (and with respect to dosing tolerance varies quite a bit.. there are quite a few hardcore EC junkies that can only take 2-3 a day... and there are some that cannot tolerate EC and can take 6 thermorexin... individual variations)

stimulatory effect will vary.. though with cold.. both it and the dehydration that often accompany such.. it may mute stim effect
 
Millie said:
macro, what doses are you recommeding for electrolytes?
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also, one more question which i asked on the thread in the women's board.... would additional l-tyrosine or ALCAR provide more of the mind focus effects? or maybe something else? i really loved the "mind rush", increased alertness/awareness effects I got the first 2-3 days of taking thermorexin. :)
 
got a free sample of this stuff...looking forward to trying it now.

buff
 
Millie said:


also, one more question which i asked on the thread in the women's board.... would additional l-tyrosine or ALCAR provide more of the mind focus effects? or maybe something else? i really loved the "mind rush", increased alertness/awareness effects I got the first 2-3 days of taking thermorexin. :)
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yes additional tyrosine (or acetyl-l-tyrosine) and/or acetyl-l-carnitine will have both lipolytic and neuroenhancing effects..
 
macrophage69alpha said:


yes additional tyrosine (or acetyl-l-tyrosine) and/or acetyl-l-carnitine will have both lipolytic and neuroenhancing effects..
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thanks, macro. can you please recommend doses for these?
 
Millie, a gram of L-Tyrosine is sufficient in my experience to renew the neuro buzz. Macro the formula ninja would know best, though.

HDT used to make a great "smart drug" product circa 1999 with L-Tyrosine, DMAE, ginkgo, ginseng, B vitamins, and a few other goodies - I think this would have been great to stack with Thermorexin. I miss it.

Oh, and I'm still loving Thermorexin. I went up to four pills today, and I think I'm going to stick with three in the future - I had my last dose six hours ago, it's almost midnight, and I still have a tremendous urge to furiously clean my room and go running.
 
1-2 grams of tyrosine .. in between meals. acetyl-l-tyrosine is better and requires less.

ceebs,
as far as a powerful nootropic cocktail... wait a week :D .. its coming...
 
Uh oh. When I start working again, I should just have my paychecks auto-deposited into my AF store account. :D
 
Okay,
I have adjusted to the effects of T-rex.
Here is my schedule for the next 4 weeks.
2 at 5:15AM
2 at noon
2 at 5PM
This has worked well in the last 3 days. No ill feelings at all.
I am also on a ketogenic diet. I do feel some heat and sweat flows very well during workouts. I will keep this running for 12 weeks.
After 4 weeks I may add some carbs as well as Glucorell R. I will be adding some fina and test and slin to maintain the lean.
I have taken my measurements and lets see what this will do.
Any advice is welcomed.
 
i got a sample pack with my order of NYC today, took one cap in the morning

observations:
more alern
more energy
increased overall feeling of good
NOT jittery (as with ECA)
do not feel any rise in body temp
 
macrophage69alpha said:
1-2 grams of tyrosine .. in between meals. acetyl-l-tyrosine is better and requires less.

ceebs,
as far as a powerful nootropic cocktail... wait a week :D .. its coming...
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this may sound stupid but do you need carbs in order for nootropics to work?
 
serge said:
i got a sample pack with my order of NYC today, took one cap in the morning

observations:
more alern
more energy
increased overall feeling of good
NOT jittery (as with ECA)
do not feel any rise in body temp
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Hey bro,
I didn't feel any heat either, as long as I am in ketosis, but when I added the carbs, the heat came. I am going to monitor body temp to see if this is something that takes place but I just don't recognize it.
TT
 
macrophage69alpha said:
most people judge a "fat burner " by its side effects- its stimulatory ones typically... give it time and see how the results compare.. (and with respect to dosing tolerance varies quite a bit.. there are quite a few hardcore EC junkies that can only take 2-3 a day... and there are some that cannot tolerate EC and can take 6 thermorexin... individual variations)

stimulatory effect will vary.. though with cold.. both it and the dehydration that often accompany such.. it may mute stim effect
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the stimulatory effect is the reason i avoid takin ECA, the fuckin anxiety coupled with inability to sleep makes me avoid ECA's all together
 
serge said:


the stimulatory effect is the reason i avoid takin ECA, the fuckin anxiety coupled with inability to sleep makes me avoid ECA's all together
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most people find the Stim effect of thermorexin to be much more subtle (ie. extra energy and easy cardio), though some find it quite strong.. it is not the same "jittery and jacked" feeling of EC.
 
macrophage69alpha said:


most people find the Stim effect of thermorexin to be much more subtle (ie. extra energy and easy cardio), though some find it quite strong.. it is not the same "jittery and jacked" feeling of EC.
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only took one cap this morning, i must say that the first 2 hours i just felt more alert and just over all energetic and "good", went to the gym at noon zoomed through my workout and did cardio...

when doing cardio i felt like i can just keep goin and goin, did not bother me at all (never experienced that with ECA), actually was worming up much more then ussual........BUT STILL NO JITTERS

QUESTION: when you use yohimburn before workout, and take a shower after my workout should i reapply yohimburn?? does it get washed off or is it completely absorbed into the body by that time (1hour workout)
 
Just got my two bottles yesterday.

Woke up, ate some rice, vegetables, and meat at 7am. Didn't want to take the T-Rex because I wanted to continue my sleep on the commute into the city.

Had a low-carb protein bar and protein drink at 10:30, along with my first ever capsule of T-Rex. I didn't feel any stimulatory effects, because I fell asleep on the subway to and from the courthouse. I was very, very thirsty, though.

At 2PM I had a Big 'n' Tasty and a chicken fajita. I was still so hungry I got a Big Mac afterwards (I'm pretty full, now). I think the nooptropic effects might be kicking in - I feel awfully focused as I post on the forums.

I'm not sure if I feel hot. I've been sweating a little bit, but I'm in a suit and tie walking around in the city.

Won't be working out until after work. We'll see how that goes.

May try two caps tomorrow, depending on what time I go to sleep tonight.

Question:

If I'm taking creatine and trying to put on lean muscle mass, will T-Rex help me get ripped? My current BF% is probably around 15.
 
When I take 2 caps in the AM , I feel a chill about a 1hour later , then the heat kicks in . Works great for appitite suppression !
 
ulter was it you who said its ok taking clen and t-rex together? i was up till midnight last night and thought my heart was going to come out of my throat. i think i'll use the t-rex on the off weeks of clen instead
 
DepressiveJuice said:
ulter was it you who said its ok taking clen and t-rex together? i was up till midnight last night and thought my heart was going to come out of my throat. i think i'll use the t-rex on the off weeks of clen instead
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as with most stimulant issues.. its individual..

its easy to generalize when its great for you....
 
Well as for T-rex being better than DNP, Im inclined to agree -

No sides - except for 1 sleepless night at 6ED
Looking leaner after 12 days
Nice heat
Energy

Not like being on DNP and having to drag your arse everywhere. As for fat burning potential Trex is working better for me than 400mg ED DNP for 7 days. 7 days was all I could take. I guess with trex its a little less harsh so the prolongued use will yield better results.

ONE FLAW - I shouldve bought more before the price increase.
So 109 is the discount price at EU AF store??
:( . Still a good price mind.
 
Just took 3 T-Rex, Got to leave for the gym. Absolutely no jitters or ill fieeling in the stomach. I did eat a small banana with them. Will let yu know how it goes. At 6 aday I do notice some appetite suppression and as far as sleep, I really feel it is more sound than ever. Hard to drag my dead butt up int the mornings. The reason for upping to 3 in the am is get some kind of boost.
Got to go for now.
 
WelshInjectable said:

ONE FLAW - I shouldve bought more before the price increase.
So 109 is the discount price at EU AF store??
:( . Still a good price mind.
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There's a discount code posted somewhere on the boards.
 
Overall, t-rex makes me feel like shit half the time I'm on it -- BUT, I'm getting good results from it.

As I mentioned awhile back, I wanted to experiment with taking it in a non-calorie-defecit environment on a controlled maintenance diet to see how it effected body composition.

Going by the mirror, scale and strength levels, things are very positive so far... Scale weight is not changing, strength levels are holding steady or increasing -- and definition is improving, clothes are looser around the waist, etc... High potassium intake seems to work well in conjunction for whatever reason.

I find its sides to be unpredictable -- every now and then upset stomach, sometimes hot, sometimes cold, sometimes clammy and sweating, sometimes nothing. I do think I will cycle it as I think it takes a major bite into some of your systems -- I feel lethargic as hell if I'm not on it -- and it's not caffeine withdrawal.

All in all, getting good (aesthetic) results from it, so will continue to use it.
 
Sweating?

I´m interested in taking this, but I really would like to know if the sweating is constant and exagerated. IF só, then it would be a huge drawback.

Also, since you´re losing BF so fast, won´t that be counterproductive in the long run, won´t it produce the "yo-yo" effect? What about muscle loss?

thanx
 
I haven't and so far none of the competitors, including those going to the USA's, have lost muscle in 4 weeks from Thermorexin.
The exaggerated sweating is when you're eating carbs, just like with DNP. But that's part of the fun of it not a drawback. Well, unless your a professional in a suit selling time-share.
 
ulter said:
I haven't and so far none of the competitors, including those going to the USA's, have lost muscle in 4 weeks from Thermorexin.
The exaggerated sweating is when you're eating carbs, just like with DNP. But that's part of the fun of it not a drawback. Well, unless your a professional in a suit selling time-share.
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ulter, what about my question, above???
 
XzRzX said:
would it be okay to take thermorexin while on Deprenyl? (selective monoamine oxidase (MAO) B inhibitor)
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bump for this question !


another question,
how is t-rex also on recreational drugs like XTC ? can you take it like earlier in the morning before workout then party on in the evening with the X ?
 
ulter said:
It blows Hot Rox away. It blows Tight away.
We sent sample to the stores carrying both and within 2 weeks they ordered Thermorexin and put the other two on the back shelf.

I take deprenyl with it every day. But you should wait until Dr Macro gets up for a REAL answer.

I don't know about using it with X.
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well i myself have not tryed any of those products (with exception for t-rex, which i do like), just wanted to see what your opinion was
 
it is fine to use low dose selegeline with thermorexin.. thought the liquid selepryl is far better than the jumex tabs (the 5mgs) for most

5mgs is too much for many people.. and with other stims and nootropics it can cause dopaminergic paranoia
 
Mackavelli
I am on 6 a day, and I don't have many of the affects others have, but by the seat of the pants meter, I am getting a lot my room in the belt.
Some people notice the physical part and some don't (me), but it still can be working.
 
one must emphasize that while side effect may occur with use of many things... just because they do not.. does not mean that they are not working...

though everyones response, to most everything, is at least slightly different... in some cases further out on the ends of the spectrum... ie incredibly awesome for some.. not much for others...

it varies.. though general response seems to be VERY GOOD :D
 
Is there any kind of backlog on T-rex? I ordered mine on monday, at about 1pm i believe with second day air as shipping. Usually when I order something from AF, I get a UPS tracking number in 24 hours, however I still have no email. I'm assuming either its because I chose second day air, or you guys are back logged on orders? Ah well, it gives me a chance to get through this thread.
 
A question. I notice most users seem to feel the heat when ingesting carbs, and do not when not eating carbs. I'm assuming the heat is caused by the carbs, lol. However that makes me wonder, does the drug then work better in the presence of carbs? Or is it the same, the carbs just cause the heat, its a side effect, and thats it. I'm going to be eating about 125-150g of carbs a day on this 40/30/30.
 
The fire still burns, adding carbs throws gas on it.
You don't need to "feel" anything for Thermorexin to be working to speed up your metabolism. The heat is fun but unnecessary for fat loss. Admittedly if you do eat the carbs and get hotter you will increase the rate of fat burning as each degree of heat increases fat burning by 5-10%.
 
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