I forgot to mention that I am also using YES in certain areas (upper arms, gut, love handles, lower back and ass).
Did the measurements:
June '06 was 225lbs (no other measurements)
July 30th, '06 was 217lbs, 22" thigh, 43" chest, 42" abs, 14" bicep
August 27th, '06 was 210lbs, 24.5" thigh, 44.25" chest, 41" abs, 14.5" bicep
December 2nd, '06 was 193lbs, 22.75" thigh, 43.25" chest, 39" abs, 14.25" bicep.
Not flexing.
It had been some time since I had measured. Obviously. Kind of bummed to see my size go down a little since August, but it is not noticable (so I was surprised). But understand since I am losing the body fat all over. And overall, the size really didn't go down from back in July to now. So I seem to be overcoming any loss of size with muscle gains. definately can tell that I am more solid. Can I point to any of the products as the one that does the most? No. Would I quit any of them. No. The combination seems to be working out for me.