day 21 and still waiting,..

[stevelunny]

Hey there

i'm on day 21 of my first cycle (200mg/deca, 300mg/test-e, anastrazole 1 mg every 3 days, all obtained through a doctor and pharmacy). I have a long history of having a very hard time gaining muscle. I am now 168 pounds.

I'm eating like a horse (260 grams protein a day) and working out 5-6 days a week. My trainer (from this site) made my program and it's very solid.

I've gained about 7 pounds since i started but i can say confidently this is mostly fat/bloat. there has been some toning/muscle gain but nothing significant or that i wouldnt expect to see anyway with my program and diet.

My trainer first said i would start seeing results after 2 weeks, now he says after 3-5...

I'm just getting a bit concerned that more isnt happening and I might be wasting the potential of a first cycle somehow.

thanks for any input - everyone has been a huge help here!

 

[the small soldier]

im in week 6 of a test E and I'm just now REALLY starting to see the gains

 

[stevelunny]

cool and you're happy with what's happening now that they are starting to show?

 

[miplank]

what are your stats bro? height, age, etc...


at only 168lbs...your either really short, or pretty small.

 

[the small soldier]

yeah my weight is up from low 190's to 204-205, my lifts are improving. I pulled 405 for 7 reps on deadlift after doing t-bar rows with 5 plates for 3 sets of 10. I can squat 315 for 15+reps. I dont know my max bench, but I put up 275 for 3 after putting up 255 for 10 for 2 sets and 265 for 7 for 2 sets. I'm only on 250 mg of test by the way.

 

[Cardinal Slin]

I would cut back on the anastrazole to 1/2 tab every 3 days instead of one tab - or stop it all together and if you do start seeing sides, then get right back on to it.

I would also reduce the training from 5-6 times a week to 4-5 times (reduce cardio if you are doing it) and up the protein to 300gms daily and see how that changes things.

As people have said though, you are 3 weeks in so be patient but I would still do all the above. That is just me.

 

[stevelunny]

re the anastrazole : my trainer also said i should consider reducing it. problem is it isn't a tab, it's a capsule.

What are the potential hazards of taking it at my dosage? reduced effect of the other 2 meds i am taking or something else?

thanks!!
S

I would cut back on the anastrazole to 1/2 tab every 3 days instead of one tab - or stop it all together and if you do start seeing sides, then get right back on to it.

I would also reduce the training from 5-6 times a week to 4-5 times (reduce cardio if you are doing it) and up the protein to 300gms daily and see how that changes things.

As people have said though, you are 3 weeks in so be patient but I would still do all the above. That is just me.

 

[timtim]

way too early to SEE the changes yet. you should be feeling it but the visual takes time.

why are you using an ai? you only use them when you need it and if your lucky, you wont need it.

 

[stevelunny]

i was advised to by both my doctor and trainer to take it - is it a bad idea for some reason?

I'm glad it's too early to see changes. As for feeling, I find my workouts are more intense but hard to say if that's psychosomatic or not I feel more pumped at the end recently but again i'm really pushing hard so who knows.

what other sensations would let me know some magic is happening?

way too early to SEE the changes yet. you should be feeling it but the visual takes time.

why are you using an ai? you only use them when you need it and if your lucky, you wont need it.

 

[timtim]

yea, its starting. you will able to train longer and heavier from now on and it will increase as time goes. i think your dose is too low for an ai but i could be wrong.

 

[van_wilder]

5-6 weeks befoer you really notice anything bro. you'll be one happy dude weeks 7-10!

 

[drsketch]

Whenever I worked out I never expected insta muscle. Just a thought.

 

[Greatercow]

Whenever I worked out I never expected insta muscle. Just a thought.

good for you...? he was just asking if it was normal to not notice anything much yet after 21 days

 

[UA_Iron]

I would lower the dose of the arimidex as everyone is suggesting. The first thing that you should notice is your sex drive going out of control - if its not then its time to back off the anti-e's a bit.

If its capsules - what I have done in the past is use a fairly accurate scale and measure out the total weight of the contents of the capsule. It will obviously have more mass than 1mg due to fillers etc. You can use the ratio of 1mg to how ever much the contents weigh and use that find out and weigh out how ever much you need (assuming a homogeneous mixture, which it will be).

 

[drsketch]

good for you...? he was just asking if it was normal to not notice anything much yet after 21 days

I was not trying to be rude bro.. I always put a longer time frame on seeing significant results.. 6-9 months

 

[aquatic_glories]

Unless it is fake , don't worry.

For e. , Test Enanthate made me wait 4 weeks to see strength gains. Plus I used prop with it to see results sooner!!!

 

[SaiBoT]

Currently I'm on 25mg 0f dianabol weeks 1-3 and test-e around 400mg split by two shots 1-8 weeks thinking about extending it to 10 weeks. This my first cycle, tomorrow will be my last dianabol dose. By now I felt increased sex drive, huge pumps, better recovery time and substantial strength gains and size gains on my upperbody although I'm pretty sure this is all dianabol's doing and the test-e it's only know starting to kick in. So far I haven't administered any aromatase inhibitors, since the juice dosage it's fairly low I will only use arimidex if I must. I'm sure your advisors agree that you will need some estrogen on your system if you want to see good results.