DARKSIDE is near! First Cycle...Please Critique!!!!

[Busy_Mind]

Hey bros... First cycle coming up soon, please critique!

Statz:

22y/o
5'10"
200lbs
16-17%bf
Working out on/off since age of 17, serious for the last past 3-4yrs.

History:

I've been on these boards for 4-5 years, have learned alot, and through that I've gained alot of useful knowledge and self-acquired self-discipline. To start it out, I used to be a semi-fatass at 220lbs(endomorph) at around 19-21%bf. Dieted down for a good 6 months, and got down to a leaner 165lbs at 13-14%bf with abs and obliques starting to shine through. Currently I'm alittle back up in weight, muscles aren't as flat as when I was dieting hard... I'm looking to put on some serious lean mass, bulk up more, eventually get up to a goal weight of 225lbs+ lean and built, with some "assistance."

I've put off my first cycle for a couple years now cuz I had that little fear of injecting a huge 1.5" needle in my freakin ass. *cough* wuss *cough* There's no place for fear anymore! I've had gear in my arsenal all this time, and I'm about to hit my very first cycle, before my gear starts expiring..LoL

I'm gonna start it off pretty simple, keep injects to a minimum to see how I respond to everything first, and spice things up more down the line in my upcoming cycles.

My first proposed cycle:

Wk 1-10 600mg Test Phenylpropionate
Wk 1-10 300mg Eq (50mg/ml Maxigan)
Wk 1-5 40mg Dbol (either Polish or Naposims)

I have Femara, Clomid, and Nolvadex. I may throw in some winny and fina later in the cycle.

I will have diet in check, Milk Thistle and ALA, etc, also will hog-tie the gf and throw her in the closet til when the test kicks in.

Please critique! Any help, advice, or tips much appreciated.

 

[browncloud]

Just a suggestion but if you are going to be running a 10 weeks cycle i would suggest using a longer lasting test easter like enenthate or cyp. I just am finishing 6 weeks of Prop and 6 week of Fina, and the ED injections get to be a real pain in the ass. Also your Eq is 50ml a cc, thats 6cc of oil a week just of eq on top of of 600mgs of phely/prop dam dude i am glad I am not your ass cheeks. Something to think about. 500 test ent a week and 300eq and 40mgs dbol for your firts cycle is a monster i think. Not that it is to much gear but believe me that many injections is not fun.

 

[TheDarkSideNinja]

Hey bro congrats on doing research but I.M.O i think that much A.S. is not needed. The most i would do for a 1st cycle would look something like this!!!

Weeks 1-10 Enanthate 500mgs
Weeks 1-4 D-bol 25mgs/day
-Have some nolvadex on hand in case of gyno symptoms!!!
-Definitely add clomid post cycle!!!
-Look into Arimidex or Liquidex to keep bloat down!!!
-Stock up on Tyler's Liver detox, Milk Thistle, Cranberry Extract, etc. all the precautious supplements!!!

Bro think about this. Why use a bigger cycle then whats above when all you will get from it is side effects and if you go to do another cycle you will end up using even more. I will guarentee you that if you eat properly, train precisely, and stick to the cycle above after looking at your stats you will explode bro. Just my .02 ~JT~

 

[RADAR]

I agree,that much gear is not needed for a first cycle,keep it simple the first time around until you see how your body responds to it!!!



RADAR

 

[TheDarkSideNinja]

Yup...

Dial Tone is right 1 gram is ridiculous!!!

 

[Dante666]

I'm not experienced in the use, but I'm where your at, I've studied extensively and you definitely have a grasp of what to do. Your doses are just monstrous though. If your an endomorph you should be able to put on size like a mofo with just moderate doses and this will help with the side effects. Good Luck!

 

[Busy_Mind]

Thanks guys! Alright...

I was planning on only injecting twice a week(Tues and Fri) cuz the T. Phenylprop has a half life of around 4-4.5 days... so its longer than prop itself. This would end up being two pins per injection date, twice a week, not every day injections. I could step down the test dosages some, specially since I've read T. Phenyprop is pretty potent stuff. Or I can substitute Sust for it (26 amps readily available). I will lower Dbol down to 30mg/ED. I have that idea that your first cycle is your best gaining cycle, so I didn't wanna go too low on it, or just stick with a single drug, but yet stack it. Test Enanthate is not an option for me at this time.

1) Any suggestions with Sust instead? And should I frontload?
2) If I stay with 2 injections per week with the T. Phenyl, what should I lower the dosage to?
3) The femara tabs are so freakin tiny, can I cut them up and take ED or EOD?

I thought this was a fairly simple cycle, but I will reorganize the dosages... Any more advice welcome!

Thanks again Dial_Tone, ~JT~, Radar, Dante and Browncloud for your quick responses!!!

 

[TheDarkSideNinja]

With sust....

I think some will agree and some will disagree that injecting 250mgs/every 3rd day is a good option! If i were to run it thats exactly how i would do it. I see no reason to frontload especially since you are new to A.S. and have no idea how your body will respond. Many people have gained 20-30lbs+ using 2 shots of sust./week!!!

 

[Busy_Mind]

More Feedback anyone...?

 

[Busy_Mind]

Just ordered some more pinz from CareCenter... now gonna order a fina kit for my Component-TH, hehe... Let the games begin, soon!


FEEDBACK PLZ...

If I stay with Test PHENYLprop, what should I lower my dosage to, being that this will be my first cycle? 300mg/wk?
Does the 300mg Eq dosage look sufficient for a first cycle?

My main focuz is gonna lye within my Diet, Sleep, and Workouts!!!
Would be nice to put on a good realistic 25lbs, any thoughts on this?

C'mon Brothers of Iron...!!!!

 

[Racer-X99]

Congrats on doing your research before posting. Most people don't read the boards. The game can have some serious side effects so you need to make your own decisions and likewise you need to do the research.

EQ is very mild and 400mg/week seems to be the general theory as the floor. Additionally, don't worry about the injections whether 1" or 1.5" they are a joke. I was worried like most and now I stick and enjoy it.

I am not a big fan of orals for many reasons and I don't take anything I can't take at least six weeks. The body needs time to make use of its new chemicals. Don't front-load. I have done it and doesn't benefit me at all. Be patient and spend the extra cash on a longer cycle.

Another note. I read somewhere that taking eod injections of any kind of test is optimal. Something to the effect of all test esters completely release within 24-30 hours of injections. Better to keep levels stable and not try to weasle out of few fun injections.

Unless you are a total genetic freak you will not gain 20lbs. (of muscle) in 10 weeks from two shots of sust/week. Don't believe the hype and be realistic. The body doesn't add muscle that fast, but it can add water weight very quickly. I love the guys who gain 10lbs. in their first two weeks and think it is all muscle. It is all water. So many people on the boards lie and don't know how to separate water weight from muscle weight. What is important is how it looks. 10lbs. in the right places make a big difference.

I like your idea, but I would go with this. This was my first cycle but without the EQ and I put on at least 12lbs. of lbm. The fina/test combo is great. And don't bitch out on only taking fina 6 weeks. I am in week 14 of 125mg eod (+ others) and I am fine. My last cycle I had blood done during week 11 of my cycle and everything including kidneys was fine.

Wk 1-10 Test enath/cyp/prop - 400-500mg/week
Wk 1-10 EQ - 400mg/week
Wk 1-10 Fina - 75mg eod

 

[Busy_Mind]

Racer-X99...

Thanks for the excellent thorough response! I've decided to change my test dosage down to 400mg/wk spilt up into two weekly injections. Eq will be 300-400mg/wk. Dbol will stay at 30mg/d. I will try to make my first fina experiment for my pet 'betsy the cow' before starting this cycle so I can take it throughout.

Wish me luck bro!

 

[Busy_Mind]

I'm also considering.... test phenylprop, fina, and dbol...

wk 1-10 100mg/EOD T. Phenylprop
wk 1-10 75-100mg/EOD Fina
wk 1-5 30mg/D DBol

This might be a better combo, also much less oil to inject! EOD injections might be a hassle, but I think they would be well worth it. Any ideas?

 

[KINGKONG69]

man for a first cycle, id pic a more simple cycle, injectin every other day gets old. your gonna grow like crazy on your first cycle, it dont take alot of juice.

cut the fina out, not needed for a first cycle, and just run like test eth, with the dbol, and there you go. its really that simple.

youll have plenty of other cycles.

 

[babbabuee]

dial tone, I always wondered about finishing off my sust/dbol cycle with dbol at the back end. I'm starting week 8 tomorrow and thought about running 20mg/ed (25 mg was killing my back) for weeks 8,9,10. What do you think? Have you tried this before?