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D-bol/Var Short Cycle

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Joe Stenson

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Hey everyone, I'm starting to plan my next cycle and I just thought I'd run it by you guys for some comments/criticism. I'm 23, 5'11 210lbs 10%, 2 light cycles under my belt (250mg sust/week for 10 weeks, and 50mg d-bol every day for 3 weeks...it wouldn't surprise me if some of my d-bol was fake in that second cycle, but I still made some decent gains).

I want to do another 3 weeks of d-bol at 50mg, and of course I'd love to run var forever, but I'm not exactly rolling in cash. As far as I know, you don't need any type of ancillaries or post-cycle drugs for var so here's what I was thinking...

Weeks 1-3 50mg d-bol, 20mg nolva
Weeks 4-6 30-40mg var, 20mg nolva (after the first 3 days where I will take 80mg, 40mg, 40mg)

This is a bulking cycle, but if it gets out of hand I figure the var will keep me relatively hard. Also, based on the large assumption I'm making that var does not affect my ability to recover from the d-bol, it should aid me in keeping the gains from the d-bol and by the time I come off of all drugs at the end of week 6 I "should" be back to 100%. Basically, this whole thing hinges on whether var shuts you down, or prevents you from recovering, or not. If it does, then I suppose I would just run another 3 weeker of d-bol and leave it at that.

Let me make one more thing abundantly clear. NO COMMENTS ABOUT SHORT CYCLES BEING A WASTE. If that is your opinion then so be it, but I don't want to get into that debate here.

All thoughts are welcome...thank-you.
 
javolic said:
50mg of Dbol every day??? Holly Sh......be ready to transplant another liver!!!
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im doing 75mg ed for my next cycle. galaxy did 200mg ed..........the liver issues are exaggerated
 
tiger88 said:




damn i did 20 mg ED i wasnt sure if to go to 30 mg LOL
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LOL, the most i have ever done in the past was 40mg and for only 4 weeks. I'm just stupid, i got a 1000 for cheap so im saying what the hell, except if i get the terrible night sweats im going down to 50mg. dbol and some test ..........:p mmmmmmm
 
That cycle looks very promising, I would even extend the var maybee another 2 weeks. If you are hurting on cash, going half dosage for the extra two weeks is possible. I think Var is one of the few roids that could be tapered with good results.
 
So serbstyle1, you think something like this would look good:

Weeks 1-3 50mg d-bol, 20mg nolva
Weeks 4-6 30-40mg var, 20mg nolva (after the first 3 days where I will take 80mg, 40mg, 40mg)
Weeks 7-8 20mg var

Getting the extra var isn't THAT much of a problem, I just am trying to keep this as economical as possible (while still giving var a shot).

I, personally, think this cycle sounds good in principle, but my only qualm is still the recovery. I would still like some more opinions from those who have used var before to see how bad, if at all, you were shut down.
 
Joe,
What's with the tapering shit? There's no point dude. If you're only running your shit 8wks, I'd run d-bol and var together the whole time.

regards
 
dali said:
Joe,
What's with the tapering shit? There's no point dude. If you're only running your shit 8wks, I'd run d-bol and var together the whole time.

regards
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The idea is that by the end of week 8 (or week 6 in my original plan) I would be fully recovered and not have to worry about any further PCT. Whether this would work in practice or not, is what I am trying to find out from you guys. Clearly, running d-bol/var for 8 weeks is going to shut me down completely and require the usual PCT in order to keep the gains.

What I am still looking for is opinions on whether the gains I make off this appear "keepable" without doing any kind of PCT after the var is finished. It's really a question of how shut down I will be after week 8. I mean, if I gain 15 lbs off this and keep 10-12 then great, but if I only keep 3, then I didn't do something right.
 
My opinion on shutdown is either you are or you ain't! more than likely you will be shutdown after 6 weeks with the AAS you have mentioned. The taper will not help you at all with recovery. Just get you a good PCT ready and run the AAS at the same dose all the way through.
 
Goldprospector said:
My opinion on shutdown is either you are or you ain't! more than likely you will be shutdown after 6 weeks with the AAS you have mentioned. The taper will not help you at all with recovery. Just get you a good PCT ready and run the AAS at the same dose all the way through.
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I realize I will be shutdown after the first 3 weeks anyway. The cycle is set up so that I AM doing PCT for this 3-week period. I am just also asking if I could run var (which is thought to have little effect on HPTA) and still be able to fully recover. This is just a thought, I have set nothing in stone yet. I said above that if people don't think I can do this successfully then I am fine with merely doing another 3-week cycle of d-bol.
 
dali said:
You might gain a couple pounds if you're lucky.
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Do you mean I will only KEEP a couple lbs, or I will only GAIN a couple lbs? If it's the latter, then I think you better check your own diet and training because I know for a fact that I could definitely see some good gains off that cycle. The only question remains, will I keep it? This is what I keep asking.
 
Yea, that sounds about right. It takes about 3 weeks for your body to slow your test production when taking var, it does not get completly shut down. By the time that happens your body will be almost back to normal from the shutdown you had from the D-bol. When finishing the cycle, you should not lose any more muscle than if it were a Var only cycle. Im not positive about the tapering, but i have heard that it is possible with very weak drugs such as var, which dont shut you down much. I think this is going to be one great cycle. Has anyone else tried this? If it works out good for you, let us know, this might be my next cycle.
 
yet more excellent input from dali.:rolleyes:

I'm dubious about effect on HPTA from var, I thnik it must be slightly suppressive, and if it is, I'm guessing that the suppression from the dbol will remain until completely coming off.

Also: Javolic - you have random numbers in your sig., I am european, but you need to cater for the US here. It makes no relative sense.
 
Let's say for arguments sake that I left the PCT until after the var had been used as well. No ancillaries would be taken with the var portion of the cycle, thus the nolva would cease at Day 21. It would look something like this:

Weeks 1-3 50mg d-bol, 20mg nolva
Weeks 4-6 30-40mg var
Weeks 7-8 20mg var
PCT

or with no taper:

Weeks 1-3 50mg d-bol, 20mg nolva
Weeks 4-8 30-40mg var
PCT

After 3 weeks of d-bol my HPTA will be shutdown, I don't think there is any question about this. However, with already being shutdown, is taking 30-40mg of a fairly weak steroid like var really going to do anything? I'm not implying that I want to start adding more drugs to the cycle, I am merely beginning to think that the way this is set up the var might be a waste.

To counter this, the idea of putting the d-bol at the end of the cycle has crossed my mind, but this seems inherently wrong. The cycle would look like this:

Weeks 1-5 30-40mg var
Weeks 6-8 50mg d-bol
PCT

As far as PCT is concerned the above makes a lot of sense, but from the beginning, part of the reason for using var was to solidify the d-bol gains. Clearly, this would not be happening in a cycle set up in this manner. Of course, I could also put the d-bol in the middle of the cycle and this has its merits and faults as well.

I have my hands on the gear already, and I am positive I can make due with what I've got, I'm just looking for the set-up that makes the most sense from a "keepable gains" standpoint.
 
i think that the cycle with the Dbol first would be better. Var will help you solidify your gains, and gain a few pounds after the initial drop of water weight from the Dbol. I would not go under 40mg of var a day, and you may even want to have the first week of var at 50, because that is when your body is going to be most shutdown from the dbol.

Var will be very good for this, that is why it is used as a bridging gear.
 
serbstyle1 said:
i think that the cycle with the Dbol first would be better. Var will help you solidify your gains, and gain a few pounds after the initial drop of water weight from the Dbol. I would not go under 40mg of var a day, and you may even want to have the first week of var at 50, because that is when your body is going to be most shutdown from the dbol.

Var will be very good for this, that is why it is used as a bridging gear.
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And do the PCT at the end of week 8, correct? So, in essence, I'm going to be shutdown with no ancillaries for 5 weeks, only using var. Is this going to be strong enough to counter the fact that I'm shutdown?
 
I believe, so, but i am a novice to the use of steroids. I have only take var, but i do research as much as i can about them. I belive that 40 mg will be enough to counter the shutdown of dbol. You may want to go higher for the first week and then slowly go down. IE, 1st week 50-60 2nd week 40-50, 3-4th 40 and so on. You could just go down to 40 and then stop, or you could do a taper to about 20. Research about bridging with anavar, Needsize had a good post. This is pretty similar
 
bump... will using var after a cycle shut you down or can you continue its use for about a month post cycle and use clomid along with it..???
 
Tobias, that's what I was hoping you could do, but from this thread and from looking around the net, I'm beginning to think that one cannot FULLY recover from a cycle while still using gear, no matter how weak it is. The only reason I'm still curious about my proposed cycle is that a 3-week d-bol only cycle is easy to recover from in the first place. It's not like coming off a 12-week test/eq/fina cycle or something, where the var would not allow you to recover at all.

In any event, unless more light is shed on this subject, I think I've decided to just run 3 weeks of d-bol and then 5 weeks of var AND THEN begin my PCT. I think this could lead to some excellent results, but we shall see shortly.
 
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