D-bol Only Cycle

[youngbuck22]

HI,
Just looking for some advice/opinions, on this cycle.
Or maybe some experiences people have had with this oral only cycle.

Looking to run it next month.
Currently 185lbs 5'11 14% b/f. 4 Years training.
Cal: 3800, Protein:250gms daily

Week 1
20 mg/day
Week 2
20 mg/day
Week 3
20 mg/day
Week 4
20 mg/day
Week 5
20 mg/day
Week 6
20mg/day

PCT: NOLVADEX
Week 7
60mg/day
Week 8
40 mg/day
Week 9
20 mg/day

Just wondering should i run a AI Aromasin or Arimidex along side the 6 weeks?

 

[Mrpumped]

A D-bol only cycle is not so smart because you'll lose whatever gains you make in weight and strength. It will be good, though, if you add 500mg of Test E per week with Aromisan. If you're not going to listen to this advice then, yes you should run Aomisan as well with it. I would swith to Clomid at 50mg per day for 3 weeks instead of Nolva.

 

[Butterbob]

Let me be the second of many individuals to tell you that you are wasting your time with a D-bol only cycle. I know, I was told the same thing once upon a time and like you I did it anyway. You WILL see results however you will also see your results go away pretty fast after you stop taking the D-bol. You may want to consider 30mg a day and even at that amount I doubt you will need anything other than the Tamoxifen unless you are really prone to estrogen issues (in my experience). You wouldn't know that though since I am almost 100 percent sure this is your first cycle..... I'd tell you not to do it but live and learn.... Hope all goes well for you.

 

[lifthard2005]

add test e bro, 500mg/wk.......keep dbol where it is....

 

[needtogetaas]

are you thinking about jumping into the dark side bro.
all oral cycles are the first thing people try to jump into when thinking of doing juice for the first time....this board looks down"really down" on all oral cycles though so you are prob not going to get much advice on how to properly do one
on this board.

best advice you will get in this thread is people telling you to do 500mg of test instead.there is many reasons most people on this board will tell you all oral cycles are no good.some think gains are unkeepable.most think it is killer on the liver,some think your gains would not be all that good,and I am shore there are some other reasons as well.

 

[solidspine]

How old are you?

 

[youngbuck22]

How old are you?

23

 

[Sweetsrcool]

Age doesnt matter in my opinion if your older than 19,20 . And if you add test to your cycle your gains will be way better, why not add test? scared of needles? If your going to do it you might as well do it right. Add some test and deca for 16 weeks with a 4 to 6 week cylcle of dbol. Look like this

week 1-4 or 1-6 30 to 50 mg dbol
week 1-16 500 mg test
weeek 1-16 300 to 400 mg deca

telling you if you do this your gains will be substantiolly better. Good luck

 

[halfcenturian]

week 20-52 no boners.

Test only, IMO. Maybe add Dbol. But deca, More DECA DICK out there than is reported.

 

[Shinobi]

You must add test to any cycle

 

[Sweetsrcool]

im running 500 test and 500 deca this week and my stuff has been and still is rock hard

 

[halfcenturian]

For now.....
When you go OFF cycle is when the problems usually begin.
It's a great cycle! I have ran 3 such cycles. I'm on HRT now but you're not. Just be aware of the very real side off noodle dick.
It's always your final decision.

 

[youngbuck22]

For now.....
When you go OFF cycle is when the problems usually begin.
It's a great cycle! I have ran 3 such cycles. I'm on HRT now but you're not. Just be aware of the very real side off noodle dick.
It's always your final decision.

noodle dick? deca dick?

lol i think i'll just add some test cyp. 500mg

 

[no1_brawler]

Add in Test. But just so u know i have a friend who went on a Dbol only cycle for 6 weeks with no PCT. He was takin 15mg ED and gained only 2kg but all his lifts really shot up and he kept all the strength gains afterwards with no PCT.

 

[BigCracker]

Retard Alert!!! Ding! Ding Ding!. All oral cycles are a big no-no. And 500 mgs of test a week is too much. Add 200 mgs and do your dbol as originally planned. Too many young guys are on these 1 gram/wk + cycles. You will have more sides and are wasting your $. Relying primarily on the drugs for gains instead of your diet and training will fuck you in the long run. You also are more susceptible to injury as your tendon strength doesn't increase as quickly as muscle strength. I think the problem on this board is that the average AS user is about 25-26 yrs old and they're not used to waiting for or working hard for anything. I remember a time when 200 mgs of Cyp/wk and 25 mgs dbol a day was considered pretty hardcore. These days that's some guy's PCT.

 

[Sweetsrcool]

um cracker there is a big difference between 500 mg and a gram. And it is your OPINION that 500mg is to much. That is the most common dosage for test, Please let when giving your opinion let everyone know so they know what you are saying is biased to your opinion.

 

[go2failure]

Considering muscle is 80+% water, of course muscle lost will equate to water and vice versa.

Compounds whether oral or injectable have no effects on the the loss of muscle--dbol, winstrol, primo are all injectable as well. Esters and planning around them are the only contributing factor to how fast someone loses or ends up maintaining the gains made during the cycle.

Obviously, slower esters will gradually breakdown after administration, rather than be out of the system within a matter of hours. However, this does not make injectables better than orals--it simply means orals are just as capable if bridged at their conclusion or pyramided down to prevent such a hard and immediate crash. The body has more time to react to dwindling test-E over two weeks from the last injection as opposed to dbol suddenly stopping. This is why crashes are harder on most oral users because they assume that immediately stopping dbol and starting PCT will save their gains. This is half true.

When talking about PCT, it is true that the external hormones must be gone or extremely low to have an effective comeback, as the signals to produce natural test will be suppressed. However, in my experience, a gradual reduction in compounds up to the point of no suppresion will begin putting the body back into homeostasis when talking about maintaining gains. Keep in mind, maintaing gains and restoring natural testosterone are both directly and indirectly linked.

 

[BigCracker]

um cracker there is a big difference between 500 mg and a gram. And it is your OPINION that 500mg is to much. That is the most common dosage for test, Please let when giving your opinion let everyone know so they know what you are saying is biased to your opinion.

Common for who noob? Not where I come from. In my world we use the drugs to break plateaus, not build up to them. Maybe I'm old school? If ya wanna compare pics and let the guy decide who he should listen to I'm game???

 

[Sweetsrcool]

whats your age? im sure you have a good 15 years on me, Thats alot of years to be able to train, And I dont care about pics, the truth is wherever you look the most common cycle includes test and its at 500 a week. And what makes you think I am a noob? cause i dont have as many posts as you, you sound like an idiot.

 

[BigCracker]

whats your age? im sure you have a good 15 years on me, Thats alot of years to be able to train, And I dont care about pics, the truth is wherever you look the most common cycle includes test and its at 500 a week. And what makes you think I am a noob? cause i dont have as many posts as you, you sound like an idiot.

15 yrs on you? All the more reason to listen to me and not you. If ya want, I got a pic of me at age 20 and natty that will probably blow you away. So post up bitch!!!

Also Mr Information Age, 99% of all the 411 on any subject you research in books, online, etc is absolute bullshit. You aren't patient enough to distinguish the good 411 from the bad-so you blindly follow the rest like mindless sheep.

You younger guys don't have patience for shit-which is why half of the guys I know in their 20's say they have ADHD. When I was a kid, I remember waiting 40 mins for the oven to warm up, and another 45 minutes to cook a Hungry Man Dinner to eat. You guys Nuke a meal and it's done in 5 minutes. If I wanted to write a friend across the country, I busted out a pad of paper, a pen , wrote the letter, addressed it, stamped it, mailed it, and waited weeks for a response. You guys can type a letter on your PC and deliver it instantly and have a response in minutes. If I wanted to watch a tv show, I had to schedule my life around it. You guys Tivo it and can watch it whenever. You can even FF through commercials so your short attention span isn't disrupted. Same goes for roids-you guys pound massive dosages, half ass train/diet, refuse to work your legs because they require too much effort, and end up looking like some legless t-shirt muscled geek. You may impress the people that don't know any better-but you won't impress me because most of you look like you're some bloated back street boy riding a chicken.

Granted, I've used my fair share of juice over the years, but my body didn't come in a bottle. It came as a result of hard work and perserverance-the drugs just added the finishing touch.

Just because 500 mgs seems to be the norm in your world, doesn't mean it's right. And telling me I sound like an idiot is ludicrous. Another piss poor trait of the younger generation. No respect for anyone-even their more knowledgable elders or someone that could squish them like a grape. So stay on your 1000 mgs/wk. I can almost guarantee you that in 15 years I will still make you look like a boy scout-if you don't die of a heart attack or kidney failure 1st.

 

[socom4]

im only 16 years old, have a good diet, and have been training for a year now. my question is
should i take d-bol alone since im only 16 and when i get older add test or should i just wait til i get older to start my first cycle?

 

[needtogetaas]

fuck it I dont care ill take a betting.I will be the first advocate on this board to stand behind all oral cycles.....they are not the greatest but they can be don and don right....

 

[socom4]

im asking cuz im only 16 years old.

 

[BigCracker]

im only 16 years old, have a good diet, and have been training for a year now. my question is
should i take d-bol alone since im only 16 and when i get older add test or should i just wait til i get older to start my first cycle?

Wait until you are older kiddo. Your natural test levels are so high now you might as well be on the juice w/o taking anything. By starting now you'll seal off your growth plates, which could stunt your natural growth. Most guys(at least the responsible ones) will tell you to wait until your mid 20's to juice. If you really want an edge, try getting 1-2x your bodyweight in grams of protien daily. That combined with regular workouts should make you leave most guys your age in the dust.

 

[needtogetaas]

im asking cuz im only 16 years old.

hay bro..stay the fuck away from aas for a few years.

 

[mackman]

fuck it I dont care ill take a betting.I will be the first advocate on this board to stand behind all oral cycles.....they are not the greatest but they can be don and don right....

Did one of the puppetmasters tell you it was ok to post that?
Is it ok to take a oral only cycle if you take customcapsule supps and use dermacrine pct. Young punks actually take this shit to heart. What is don right?

 

[Sweetsrcool]

You have some issues, My first post was about using 500mg of test, then you post retard alert, bla bla bla, then I posted again telling you that if you dont think that you should use that much that is your opinion. I never even said you were wrong, I just said to make sure everyone knows thats your opinion. You cant get respect just cause your some old ass loud mouth, I wouldnt even have been rude if you wouldnt have been a jerk. Im tired of posting something as my opinion and then someone bitching about it. your not a fucking doctor so even if you think you are right ITS YOUR OPINION!!! By the way making you older and bigger means jack shit in a fight, only retards think the bigger you are is the tuffer you are. point is maybe you misunderstood me, In my first post I was simply trying to get across that I gave my opinion on the thread, Everyone has that right, so please when someone gives their opinion its ok to give your opinon without being an ass to someone else.

 

[BigCracker]

You have some issues, My first post was about using 500mg of test, then you post retard alert, bla bla bla, then I posted again telling you that if you dont think that you should use that much that is your opinion. I never even said you were wrong, I just said to make sure everyone knows thats your opinion. You cant get respect just cause your some old ass loud mouth, I wouldnt even have been rude if you wouldnt have been a jerk. Im tired of posting something as my opinion and then someone bitching about it. your not a fucking doctor so even if you think you are right ITS YOUR OPINION!!! By the way making you older and bigger means jack shit in a fight, only retards think the bigger you are is the tuffer you are. point is maybe you misunderstood me, In my first post I was simply trying to get across that I gave my opinion on the thread, Everyone has that right, so please when someone gives their opinion its ok to give your opinon without being an ass to someone else.

Whatever macho man. I'm not the old looking, wide assed balding, fat guy that has a beer gut that taught you 3rd period English in high school. So don't talk shit to me like I'm some beer guzzling football coach that never shuts up about his glory days. I'm still a highly respected member of the Phoenix bodybuilding scene and the local competitors all shit their pants at the thought of me doing a local show to requalify for nationals. I'm in better shape now than I was 10 years ago and I have quite a few years left ahead of me. So don't go trying to make yourself feel better by writing me off as some old fart.

The internet isn't my only source of 411. I probably talk on the phone to more pro BB's on a regular basis than you've seen in person. A lot of my knowledge comes from guys I know personally that you've only seen in magazines. So from a credibility standpoint your opinion means nothing compared to mine.

BTW- I never said I was gonna beat your ass. Although I'd bet $ you would back to down from a fight if I challenged you in person. I think you've watched Patrick Swayze in the movie Roadhouse one too many times. "Take out a big guys knee, and he'll drop like a stone" I say whatever-as I crush your ribs with a bear hug and effortlessly slam you on the concrete like a rag doll.

And why do I have to specify something as "my opinion"? Like yours is any better? It's not like you have this extensive medical study backing your claims either.

Bottom line is that you're still a pencil neck geek standing next to me. And on top of it you don't know how to spell-chicks dig illiteracy-not!

And btw-I have 3 personal training clients that are Drs and they ask me what AS to take and how to take them for physique enhancement-as they don't teach you that shit in med school.

Keep barking little doggie. You're the little poodle barking at a pitbull on the other side of the fence. You just better hope nobody forgets to shut the gate.

I hate internet tough guys like you. Why don't you go find some other msg board to post your uneducated inexperienced advice where the 16 yr olds will worship you like a god? You won't be missed here with your wimpy post count. I already have extra K from guys I've helped here in the past telling me that they think you're an asshole for trash talking me.

Once again, lets see your pics Mr High Blood Pressure? If you're so knowledgable lets see some picture proof of your physique and your self-proclaimed, superior- steroid wisdom???

 

[Sweetsrcool]

wow you sure do talk alot, What is with you, The whole thing started cause your a fuck that trash talks people for giving their opinion, Im rather large for my age but im sure your bigger by the way it sounds, im 6'2 220 and 13 bf and No I wouldnt back donw from you . I dont try to fight someone or act like im going to over the net, its not like we are going to ever meet so whats the point of even talking about fighting. And ya I never have met any proffessional bodybuilders wish I could, but nope never have. And ya I thought I had High blood pressre and was worried so I posted a thread. I seen your pics by the way and ya I will complement you, it looks like you have done a great job. I just dont understand why your a prick. My goal is to get to 245 10% bf, but I hope i dotn ever get the bloated head like you when i get there.

 

[zk7]

Oral Only Cycles are dangerous because the sides effects are worse than Injectable.

For example, Liver Problems with Oral Cycles and also most importantly Blood Pressure Problems with Oral Cycles with Dbol , Anadrol.

When I tried Dbol 50mg Ed with Test E. I had insane headaches, it made me weak as hell, i didnt know what was going on and realize it was the DBOL. i stopped the Dbol immediatly.

Test E didnt do anything like that to me, Test E was harmless for men, even at high doses like 750mg/week (1 shot per week), I also realize that you have to find a proper balance between Testosterone and Estrogen.

Without Anti E like Aromasin or Arimidex, Test E will cause high blood pressure which is very uncomfortable. When I took 2 Aromasin, i had another problem to deal with it, which was Low Estrogen which causes depression.

Then I had to find proper dosing , take 1 Aromasin which limited bloat but still BP would find its way somehow, so id be forced to eat a cleaner diet.

So the point is, AAS are very complicated and theres many many many more risks than ppl tell you. Injecting has TONZ OF RISKS ASSOCIATED with it. And dont listen to people who say "you are a pussy if you take orals and not inject". Injecting HAS MANY RISKS. With injecting there are huge risks like getting an infection, hitting a vein , injecting wrong spot, getting insane pain in the inject spot, collapsing from low blood pressure, injecting air bubbles can kill you. Injecting IS NOT AN EASY THING TO DO and has many risks associated with it.

Orals , you pop the pill, theres no risk, except for Liver and Blood Pressure.

So people have to understand the logic in FIRST STARTING WITH ORALS and then moving into injectables. Injectables are no walk in the park.

You can be a PRo at injecting, and it can be your 100th time injecting TEst E and then at 101st time injecting, you hit a Vein you collapse, or you get an infection or an abscess etcc. You have to be careful every single time.

This is a very dangerous thing.

Just my 2 cents.

 

[BigCracker]

wow you sure do talk alot, What is with you, The whole thing started cause your a fuck that trash talks people for giving their opinion, Im rather large for my age but im sure your bigger by the way it sounds, im 6'2 220 and 13 bf and No I wouldnt back donw from you . I dont try to fight someone or act like im going to over the net, its not like we are going to ever meet so whats the point of even talking about fighting. And ya I never have met any proffessional bodybuilders wish I could, but nope never have. And ya I thought I had High blood pressre and was worried so I posted a thread. I seen your pics by the way and ya I will complement you, it looks like you have done a great job. I just dont understand why your a prick. My goal is to get to 245 10% bf, but I hope i dotn ever get the bloated head like you when i get there.

I'm not a prick. It's called tough love. Guys are so fucking sensitive these days and it drives me nuts. It's no wonder when we now live in a society that finds it unacceptable to keep score at a kid's t-ball game so nobody gets their feelings hurt. The other day I talked to this guy that's a high school gym teacher. He says the rules of dodgeball have been changed so nobody ever gets "out". They just switich teams. Gently giving my opinion will go in one ear and out the other for most guys. However, if I don't sugar coat it, it will evoke a reponse-just like it did with you. A negative response is better than no response at all in my book. Honestly bro, how biug of a dick can I be? I train people for a living. I have to exercise restraint in my sharp tongued views to make a living every day-and it gets frustrating cuz most peeps hear only what they wanna hear. However online, the leash is off and I'm free to spit my opinion as I wish-and sometimes it just requires a little venom to get my point across. I'm sure there are guys on this board that think I'm a dick-without a doubt. But take a look at my K hits. Those weren't bought with $ from the K store. I'm not even a Platty. So somebody here must value my opinion-even if you don't.

 

[mojeas95]

wow that guy got pissed off of that one...im only 23 years old and i graduated from the university of buffalo with a bachelors in science degree for the physics program and grauated with honors, my actual grade point average was a 4.0...im currently attending graduate school at UB and getting paid at the same time to study the velocity of colliding electrons in a matter field. its call atomic structural physics. so u may have 15 years on me but i bet ya you dont know what a muon is, and sure ive taken juice before, and sure i microwave my biscuts, and sure i make instant mashed potatoes for me and my girl, but dont think cuz im lazy that im lazy!...laziness is relative...and if i were him, i would take 500mg of test e for 12 weeks and then proper pct and be done with it...he will feel freakin great, inject twice a week at 250 mg a pop and he will be golden...and remember, your generation gave birth to george w bush, need i say more...?and if in 15 years you wanted me to look like a boyscout then i would have to think that your a catholic priest..

 

[Sweetsrcool]

hey I have no prob with you, I was just upset and venting when you seemd to trash on the opinion I gave, I never said that the only way to do anything is my way, I was just saying from what I have used and seen and by my reasearch what I thought was best, if someone disagrees thats ok , but no one needs to be trashed for there opinion, were all here to give are own opinions. That doesnt mean anyone is stupid for giving there opinion (unless it is really retarded). People can just take it or leave it. To be honest with you I cold probably get some tips from you in the future, cause im acutally getting into personal training and hope I can learn and grow so I can have a succesfull future in it. I wonder if test has anything to do with all the arguments on here

 

[youngbuck22]

Oral Only Cycles are dangerous because the sides effects are worse than Injectable.

For example, Liver Problems with Oral Cycles and also most importantly Blood Pressure Problems with Oral Cycles with Dbol , Anadrol.

When I tried Dbol 50mg Ed with Test E. I had insane headaches, it made me weak as hell, i didnt know what was going on and realize it was the DBOL. i stopped the Dbol immediatly.

Test E didnt do anything like that to me, Test E was harmless for men, even at high doses like 750mg/week (1 shot per week), I also realize that you have to find a proper balance between Testosterone and Estrogen.

Without Anti E like Aromasin or Arimidex, Test E will cause high blood pressure which is very uncomfortable. When I took 2 Aromasin, i had another problem to deal with it, which was Low Estrogen which causes depression.

Then I had to find proper dosing , take 1 Aromasin which limited bloat but still BP would find its way somehow, so id be forced to eat a cleaner diet.

So the point is, AAS are very complicated and theres many many many more risks than ppl tell you. Injecting has TONZ OF RISKS ASSOCIATED with it. And dont listen to people who say "you are a pussy if you take orals and not inject". Injecting HAS MANY RISKS. With injecting there are huge risks like getting an infection, hitting a vein , injecting wrong spot, getting insane pain in the inject spot, collapsing from low blood pressure, injecting air bubbles can kill you. Injecting IS NOT AN EASY THING TO DO and has many risks associated with it.

Orals , you pop the pill, theres no risk, except for Liver and Blood Pressure.

So people have to understand the logic in FIRST STARTING WITH ORALS and then moving into injectables. Injectables are no walk in the park.

You can be a PRo at injecting, and it can be your 100th time injecting TEst E and then at 101st time injecting, you hit a Vein you collapse, or you get an infection or an abscess etcc. You have to be careful every single time.

This is a very dangerous thing.

Just my 2 cents.

Awesome post. Thats why i wanted to just do a d-bol cyycle only. I know the gains will go, but who knows i might keep some.

Injectables got wayy to many risks involved, thats why i thought start off with oral d-bol, then maybe consider test down the line some time,

 

[BigCracker]

I wonder if test has anything to do with all the arguments on here

You can bet your life on it.

Now we've got Albert Einstein giving us advice on 1/2 gram a week too? WTF? And how old do you guys think I am? My generation gave birth to Hillary Duff and Average Lavigne , not Bush Jr. I'm not sure which is more shameworthy though?

And what's up with the political statements and slams on the Catholic church???-probably a Juiced Jew w/ a Napoleon Complex that drives a Benz??? That's like the opposite of FUBU.

 

[Nelson Montana]

im only 16 years old, have a good diet, and have been training for a year now. my question is
should i take d-bol alone since im only 16 and when i get older add test or should i just wait til i get older to start my first cycle?

You need to be training for years before you can benefit from gear. Check out UNLEASHED and BIG BLAST from www.proteinfactory.com If you don't grow a bunch from that at your age you won't grow from anything.

 

[digit0x]

um cracker there is a big difference between 500 mg and a gram. And it is your OPINION that 500mg is to much. That is the most common dosage for test, Please let when giving your opinion let everyone know so they know what you are saying is biased to your opinion.

Sweets, cracker is right. Especially if its your first cycle 250 test a week is plenty. ask slat too, he'll swear by low dose test because he still lives by it. as for myself, that was my first cycle and I gained tons.

Besides, when a lot of bros here suggest 500/week test e, they are often giving the advice based on a couple of assumptions:

1. You have absolutely plateaued with knowledgable nutrition and training. Meaning, your frame is overfilled.

2. Your goals coincide with theirs. People rarely give advice juxtaposition.

And when he says a gram a week, he's adding your test and deca. 500 + 500 = 1000. Now that may be right for you, but I would strongly discourage a first cycle be anything near that as a great deal can be acheived with half.

Oh yea, and unless you want to be stuck at 5'5, dont even think about steroids at 16 cheif.

 

[digit0x]

You can bet your life on it.

Now we've got Albert Einstein giving us advice on 1/2 gram a week too? WTF? And how old do you guys think I am? My generation gave birth to Hillary Duff and Average Lavigne , not Bush Jr. I'm not sure which is more shameworthy though?

And what's up with the political statements and slams on the Catholic church???-probably a Juiced Jew w/ a Napoleon Complex that drives a Benz??? That's like the opposite of FUBU.

Shit cracker they think your 70.

 

[chordz]

Oral Only Cycles are dangerous because the sides effects are worse than Injectable.

For example, Liver Problems with Oral Cycles and also most importantly Blood Pressure Problems with Oral Cycles with Dbol , Anadrol.

When I tried Dbol 50mg Ed with Test E. I had insane headaches, it made me weak as hell, i didnt know what was going on and realize it was the DBOL. i stopped the Dbol immediatly.

Test E didnt do anything like that to me, Test E was harmless for men, even at high doses like 750mg/week (1 shot per week), I also realize that you have to find a proper balance between Testosterone and Estrogen.

Without Anti E like Aromasin or Arimidex, Test E will cause high blood pressure which is very uncomfortable. When I took 2 Aromasin, i had another problem to deal with it, which was Low Estrogen which causes depression.

Then I had to find proper dosing , take 1 Aromasin which limited bloat but still BP would find its way somehow, so id be forced to eat a cleaner diet.

So the point is, AAS are very complicated and theres many many many more risks than ppl tell you. Injecting has TONZ OF RISKS ASSOCIATED with it. And dont listen to people who say "you are a pussy if you take orals and not inject". Injecting HAS MANY RISKS. With injecting there are huge risks like getting an infection, hitting a vein , injecting wrong spot, getting insane pain in the inject spot, collapsing from low blood pressure, injecting air bubbles can kill you. Injecting IS NOT AN EASY THING TO DO and has many risks associated with it.

Orals , you pop the pill, theres no risk, except for Liver and Blood Pressure.

So people have to understand the logic in FIRST STARTING WITH ORALS and then moving into injectables. Injectables are no walk in the park.

You can be a PRo at injecting, and it can be your 100th time injecting TEst E and then at 101st time injecting, you hit a Vein you collapse, or you get an infection or an abscess etcc. You have to be careful every single time.

This is a very dangerous thing.

Just my 2 cents.

Hey bro when it comes to oral cycles using dbol for example, people need to realize how strong it really is. I can see why 50mg did you in. People will see results using lower doses and sides can be kept to a minimum. Liver problems will be debated forever but if you are using high dose for long periods you may run into some issues but some won't. It is afterall one of the most anabolic substances out there, it just needs to be used right. The brand you are using can make a world of difference too, like HG metanabol the best dbol anywhere will put quality size with minimal doses.

 

[mr.nitro]

You need to be training for years before you can benefit from gear. Check out UNLEASHED and BIG BLAST from www.proteinfactory.com If you don't grow a bunch from that at your age you won't grow from anything.

this fuckin place is turning into a md magazine. nothing but adds, and people trying to sell shit. damn! its such a turnoff to an otherwise decent board.

 

[digit0x]

this fuckin place is turning into a md magazine. nothing but adds, and people trying to sell shit. damn! its such a turnoff to an otherwise decent board.

But it was constructive. Possibly leading a 16 yo away from AAS.

 

[NYBodyguard]

the only keepable thing youll have off dbol is nice stretch marks and if your lucky a nice big moon face

 

[mr.nitro]

But it was constructive. Possibly leading a 16 yo away from AAS.

yes, true. and I would like to belive that nelson would give the same advice if he did not have something to sell, but sometimes I just don't know.

if its not nelson, than its anthony roberts trying to sell demacraine or his latest book. enough is enough.

 

[BigCracker]

this fuckin place is turning into a md magazine. nothing but adds, and people trying to sell shit. damn! its such a turnoff to an otherwise decent board.

I'm jumping on the E-bay-lite Fitness "for Sale" band wagon.

I got a Girls Gone Wild Video Collection for sale or trade for gear. I'm also trying to sell some PIAA H-4 headlights. I've got an old blender for sale too. I've got 2 VHS VCRs for sale w/ remote and a 25 inch RCA TV that hasn't been used much. I also have 1/2 bottle of Tanguray Gin I'm selling. Anyone interested in any of these items please PM me for the deal of a lifetime. Oh yeah, I'm trying to sell some of my toenail clippings to anyone that wants them as well. Bids on the toenails start at $5.

 

[mr.nitro]

ill take the toenails, I hear its the latest thing in pct.

 

[BigCracker]

ill take the toenails, I hear its the latest thing in pct.

Actually they work best as a dietary aid. Use them sublingually and the horrid taste of residual toe jam should make you power puke out your last 2 meals. I'm thinking of mass marketing them to Supermodels for extra cash.

 

[digit0x]

Actually they work best as a dietary aid. Use them sublingually and the horrid taste of residual toe jam should make you power puke out your last 2 meals. I'm thinking of mass marketing them to Supermodels for extra cash.

grind them up for a topical applicable solution, and i'll pay anything. ANYTHING.

 

[Neo22]

You have some issues, My first post was about using 500mg of test, then you post retard alert, bla bla bla, then I posted again telling you that if you dont think that you should use that much that is your opinion. I never even said you were wrong, I just said to make sure everyone knows thats your opinion. You cant get respect just cause your some old ass loud mouth, I wouldnt even have been rude if you wouldnt have been a jerk. Im tired of posting something as my opinion and then someone bitching about it. your not a fucking doctor so even if you think you are right ITS YOUR OPINION!!! By the way making you older and bigger means jack shit in a fight, only retards think the bigger you are is the tuffer you are. point is maybe you misunderstood me, In my first post I was simply trying to get across that I gave my opinion on the thread, Everyone has that right, so please when someone gives their opinion its ok to give your opinon without being an ass to someone else.

Dude you are fucking douchedragon. Cracker knows more than you could ever forget. You can be one of the morons that uses more than the body needs that way next time you run a cycle you have to up the dose just to get more results. Less is more, once you learn that maybe you should offer advice on using.

 

[digit0x]

Dude you are fucking douchedragon. Cracker knows more than you could ever forget. You can be one of the morons that uses more than the body needs that way next time you run a cycle you have to up the dose just to get more results. Less is more, once you learn that maybe you should offer advice on using.

what exactly is a 'douchedragon' ?

 

[blut wump]

You're all too young to use steroids. You'll accelerate your andropause.

 

[BigCracker]

what exactly is a 'douchedragon' ?

I don't know either but it's a colorful term I'm definitely adding to my vocabulary!!!

 

[chazk]

i would atleast stack it with test 200mg a week or deca 200mg a week for 10 weeks...for your first cycle..Considering your working out hard for the last 4 years and got to 185lbs at 5'11 with some what lower body fat then normal people, thats decent ...for a all natural guy ..
Your prob ready to hit the juice at this time 4 years i recommend 5 years natural training first to get the full muscle gain from your genetics ..before using steroids to break through the natural barrier..

so 6 weeks dbol 10 weeks deca 200mg or test.
youll prob see decent gains

 

[Sweetsrcool]

Dude you are fucking douchedragon. Cracker knows more than you could ever forget. You can be one of the morons that uses more than the body needs that way next time you run a cycle you have to up the dose just to get more results. Less is more, once you learn that maybe you should offer advice on using.

WOW!!! Wasnt there just a thread for those of you that need to grow up. Are you guys being serious?

 

[BigCracker]

WOW!!! Wasnt there just a thread for those of you that need to grow up. Are you guys being serious?

Every Halo thread on here makes me think I'm on the X-Box Forums. Halo 2 is better cuz of dual wielding weapons and I'm jerking off just thinking about Halo 3 being released <alien lol> And I'm only 15 yrs away from getting the Sr discount at Denny's!!!

 

[Neo22]

WOW!!! Wasnt there just a thread for those of you that need to grow up. Are you guys being serious?

You should stick to playing WOW sweetheart!

 

[digit0x]

Every Halo thread on here makes me think I'm on the X-Box Forums. Halo 2 is better cuz of dual wielding weapons and I'm jerking off just thinking about Halo 3 being released <alien lol> And I'm only 15 yrs away from getting the Sr discount at Denny's!!!

lawl

 

[D_Mac]

I'm jumping on the E-bay-lite Fitness "for Sale" band wagon.

I got a Girls Gone Wild Video Collection for sale or trade for gear. I'm also trying to sell some PIAA H-4 headlights. I've got an old blender for sale too. I've got 2 VHS VCRs for sale w/ remote and a 25 inch RCA TV that hasn't been used much. I also have 1/2 bottle of Tanguray Gin I'm selling. Anyone interested in any of these items please PM me for the deal of a lifetime. Oh yeah, I'm trying to sell some of my toenail clippings to anyone that wants them as well. Bids on the toenails start at $5.

What model is the blender? And I'm interested in the Gin too. Can you ship a non sealed bottle of Gin in the U.S. legally?

 

[needtogetaas]

BigCracker man i think your ragging a bit to much.

 

[needtogetaas]

I love the people that are quick to point out others for being a dick if people dont agree with them but then blast others in a heart beet for the same thing....


also I have seen Anthony Roberts,nelson,ross,and others say the same thing bigcracker
just said....ie ya I am this big I train these people and I have don this for this long blah blah blah and people jumped all over him....AS A MATTER OF FACT THE SAME PEOPLE LICKING BIGCRACKS BALLS IN THIS THREAD WERE THE ONES THAT JUMPED ON HIM FOR IT.but yet no one said a dame word when he did it.....this bully tactic bull shit and the gang war crap is becoming all to plane to see.any one with have a brain can see who the trouble makers are around here,who is leading them and who the clicks are.there is a big double standard going on here and sorry but imo there are some people here that are only here right now to fuck this board as much as they can.

 

[BigCracker]

I love the people that are quick to point out others for being a dick if people dont agree with them but then blast others in a heart beet for the same thing....


also I have seen Anthony Roberts,nelson,ross,and others say the same thing bigcracker
just said....ie ya I am this big I train these people and I have don this for this long blah blah blah and people jumped all over him....AS A MATTER OF FACT THE SAME PEOPLE LICKING BIGCRACKS BALLS IN THIS THREAD WERE THE ONES THAT JUMPED ON HIM FOR IT.but yet no one said a dame word when he did it.....this bully tactic bull shit and the gang war crap is becoming all to plane to see.any one with have a brain can see who the trouble makers are around here,who is leading them and who the clicks are.there is a big double standard going on here and sorry but imo there are some people here that are only here right now to fuck this board as much as they can.

OK, I'm wrong, they're right, and your punctuation, grammar and spelling really sucks. Instead of playing the board policeman I suggest you invest in Hooked On Phonics audio books since I doubt you're capable of fully understanding the printed version. I'm now going to the garden to eat worms. But I'm not even close to retiring the Retard Alert. BTW-I highly recommend everyone tries a dbol only cycle asap. Huffing paint pre workout is good too. I'm a troublemaker. yuk! yuk!

 

[leon9047]

Retard Alert!!! Ding! Ding Ding!. All oral cycles are a big no-no. And 500 mgs of test a week is too much. Add 200 mgs and do your dbol as originally planned. Too many young guys are on these 1 gram/wk + cycles. You will have more sides and are wasting your $. Relying primarily on the drugs for gains instead of your diet and training will fuck you in the long run. You also are more susceptible to injury as your tendon strength doesn't increase as quickly as muscle strength. I think the problem on this board is that the average AS user is about 25-26 yrs old and they're not used to waiting for or working hard for anything. I remember a time when 200 mgs of Cyp/wk and 25 mgs dbol a day was considered pretty hardcore. These days that's some guy's PCT.

my god dude finally somebody with common sense, that was a good answer i myself im often amazed at the dosages people use today, good to see a good bro with common sense

 

[NickyE3]

wow

this thread goes to show how much this board has changed in the last 6 months.
Need2 cant do everything himself. Mr. X is sick and hasnt been around much. And I am not very familiar with Nelson.

*Im not gonna chime in with suggestions cuz I haven't personally experienced AS yet.

 

[Svengali]

OK, I'm wrong, they're right, and your punctuation, grammar and spelling really sucks. Instead of playing the board policeman I suggest you invest in Hooked On Phonics audio books since I doubt you're capable of fully understanding the printed version. I'm now going to the garden to eat worms. But I'm not even close to retiring the Retard Alert. BTW-I highly recommend everyone tries a dbol only cycle asap. Huffing paint pre workout is good too. I'm a troublemaker. yuk! yuk!

wow! I am torn here... That is funny shit. But, I think its wrong to clown someone's ability to write. I laugh.. But then I feel bad. The only reason I dont come to his defense is the f@#%^$# shameless plugging. Other than that he is a good bro

 

[BigCracker]

wow! I am torn here... That is funny shit. But, I think its wrong to clown someone's ability to write. I laugh.. But then I feel bad. The only reason I dont come to his defense is the f@#%^$# shameless plugging. Other than that he is a good bro

How credible is the opinion of someone with a 6th grade reading level on any topic? If his feelings get hurt, he can always blame his school?

If he's gonna flame me, he damn well knows what's coming. People that live in glass houses shouldn't cast stones.

And furthermore, this is the fucking internet. I don't take anything I read online too seriously. He shouldn't either. If he does? He can take a flying fuck through a rolling doughnut.

 

[Svengali]

How credible is the opinion of someone with a 6th grade reading level on any topic? If his feelings get hurt, he can always blame his school?

If he's gonna flame me, he damn well knows what's coming. People that live in glass houses shouldn't cast stones.

And furthermore, this is the fucking internet. I don't take anything I read online too seriously. He shouldn't either. If he does? He can take a flying fuck through a rolling doughnut.

You are way too money bro! I cant stop laughing and I think I developed a spontaneous tren cough... And I have never tried tren.

 

[BigCracker]

You are way too money bro! I cant stop laughing and I think I developed a spontaneous tren cough... And I have never tried tren.

Thanks man. Too bad you live out in the sticks(Anthem is practically California from my location). If you ever feel like coming towards Ahwatukee(the Toyota Camry and mini van capital of AZ) let me know and I'll get you a 2 wk pass to Golds. Peace!

 

[solidspine]

Aromasin or Arimidex

Just one or the other not both

And I would add test and deca, even thought, I love d-bol