Cycling off for the first time!

[1headshot]

Hey guys.
First time coming off - 2.5 weeks off so far. What should i expect? Here's what's going on in brief:

12 weeks Test cyp/Deca cycle. PCT lined up all the way through the cycle - HCG weekly + Nolvadex - still taking it
I see a bit of a change in size - deflated kinda.., but my weight is still there - didnt lose a pound. BodyFat% is still the same. Strength is up!!! (probably because I went on vacation for a week and had some rest though). I feel like water retention is way lower (look a little smaller but once creatine/pre-workout supplement is in my system, I "inflate" right back up.
I want to stay off for 6 weeks.
WTF should I be expecting?
I am trying to re-tool the diet, low-carbing it for a bit with increase in protein, also cut back to 4 days in the gym - my endurance is down and recovery is noticeably longer (still hurting like a bitch lol ).
Any help/insight appreciated.
Thanks....

 

[zedhed]

So am I reading this correctly, did you use Nolva during your whole cycle?

 

[1headshot]

Yes, nolva 3 times/week. HCG twice weekly 500IU.
Its all prescribed no side eff. whatsoever xcept for a little bit of acne - but not much to speak of.

 

[EZ_E]

And you're going back on after 6 weeks??????????

~EZ

 

[1headshot]

Do you think 6 weeks is too short? I know usually on time = off time, but I don't know what to expect in the off-time...
I mean, I have worked out for a while, so I know my strength and size before I went on. Do I expect to dip to that level or can I continue building keeping up the gains? I just get dicouraged reading different things about people losing strength/size right after they come off... I do want to keep a certain size and I am comfortable where I'm at now...

And the strength? I swear I don't quite know wtf to make of it - just came back from doing chest and got one of the best workouts ever .... and broke my own record doing shoulders yesterday.... Feels a bit weird...

 

[stevesmi]

you have been a member over a year and you still decided to run deca for a first cycle? WHY??!!

its gonna take you 3 months to recover fully from deca.. atleast. 6 weeks off is not enough. thats why you don't run deca for a first cycle, you will be itching to go back on and won't be able to.

nolva alone for a pct isn't gonna do squat for your recovery. read the link in my sig and get setup with a real PCT.

 

[juanderlei]

Do you think 6 weeks is too short? I know usually on time = off time, but I don't know what to expect in the off-time...
I mean, I have worked out for a while, so I know my strength and size before I went on. Do I expect to dip to that level or can I continue building keeping up the gains? I just get dicouraged reading different things about people losing strength/size right after they come off... I do want to keep a certain size and I am comfortable where I'm at now...

And the strength? I swear I don't quite know wtf to make of it - just came back from doing chest and got one of the best workouts ever .... and broke my own record doing shoulders yesterday.... Feels a bit weird...

Dude -

Run Unleashed, Post Cycle, HCGenerate, PhytoSerms and Bridge (with any other PCT supplements recommended by the gurus here) and you'll feel almost as good as you did on cycle.

Since I've run Unleashed and PhytoSerms from N2 I've decided that I will probably never cycle again... The results are THAT GOOD.

Doing things like running Deca on your first, taking only 6 weeks off after a 12 week cycle, etc. are potentially setting yourself up for some serious health concerns down the road.

Run a proper PCT, go natural for awhile and do proper research before considering another cycle.

I'm not trying to sound like your dad here, this is coming from someone who ran AAS for 10 years before even finding out what "PCT" stood for.

The guys on this board are an invaluable resource and are here to help, so take advantage of their willingness to help and educate yourself before doing irreparable damage!

 

[1headshot]

Why Deca - that's what I could get my hands on... Not like I had a spread to choose from.

Actually, I made a mistake - It is not Nolvadex. I forgot that's a "branded" Tamoxifen.. I was using Anastrozole, not Tamoxifen through the cycle.

Now I'm 2.5 weeks through - another 4 weeks Ill be coming up on an average time when the esters clear - cypionate has 12 days half life, nandrolone - 15 so in 4 weeks I'll be lower than 12% remaining - and that would be of a modest dose... I went from 300 test to 600 to 900 back to 300 and deca was 100-200-100 tapering off 2 weeks before stopping. would it still be inhibiting at that stage?
And if you are talking about deca staying in your system for that long, why would it be so different/worse than test cyp? - both have similar half-lives and with both complete "terminal life" would occur 16 weeks away (8 half-lives) right?
I don't think my PCT is that terrible though - my HCG is lined up, so is a SERM.. and I have an array of test boosters to choose from (frankly, never believed in OTC test boosters- tribulus, fadogia, zma, but still waste money on them anyway) ok, I need to make sure my vitamin intake is up and get back to creatine etc..

 

[Arabian]

If you do not do the proper PCT, then you run the risk of not recovering and having more problems in the future such as , decreased Test levels, decreased sex drive and you run the risk of completely shutting down your natural Test production. Deca is extremely hard on your system and is the hardest compound to recover from. Good luck to you and run a proper PCT.

 

[stevesmi]

Why Deca - that's what I could get my hands on... Not like I had a spread to choose from.

then you should of just ran the test alone.

Actually, I made a mistake - It is not Nolvadex. I forgot that's a "branded" Tamoxifen.. I was using Anastrozole, not Tamoxifen through the cycle.

adex is what we like to call it and that isn't enough for a PCT, i would run forma during cycle next time.

Now I'm 2.5 weeks through - another 4 weeks Ill be coming up on an average time when the esters clear - cypionate has 12 days half life, nandrolone - 15
deca lingers for up to 5 weeks, and as it lingers it continues to suppress... just cause something has a certain half life doesn't mean its effects just dissapear.. its hard for people to accept or grasp this but its true. not like i can take tren ace which has a 2-3 half life then stop it and suddenly in 3 days I am home free. doesn't work like that. i actually will bet you that you will continue to gain strength for another 3-4 weeks atleast after your last deca shot, its still working and still suppressing you!

so in 4 weeks I'll be lower than 12% remaining - and that would be of a modest dose... I went from 300 test to 600 to 900 back to 300 and deca was 100-200-100 tapering off 2 weeks before stopping. would it still be inhibiting at that stage?
that is way way way too much test for a first cycle.. glad to hear you ran low doses of deca though.. also do you really think that once the AAS is out of your body like magic you are recovered? come on man! once its out of your body your test levels are <100.. your body is struggling to produce its own test. you have to use a PCT to help it to start producing test. and it takes longer than just 6 weeks.

And if you are talking about deca staying in your system for that long, why would it be so different/worse than test cyp? - both have similar half-lives and with both complete "terminal life" would occur 16 weeks away (8 half-lives) right?
deca causes recovery issues due to prolactin issues and cause it LINGERS for a long time.. you didn't run any cabaser or prami hence your prolactin levels are sky high... no way you recover without getting that down. since you ran adex your estrogen levels are probably OK.

I don't think my PCT is that terrible though - my HCG is lined up, so is a SERM.. and I have an array of test boosters to choose from (frankly, never believed in OTC test boosters- tribulus, fadogia, zma, but still waste money on them anyway) ok, I need to make sure my vitamin intake is up and get back to creatine etc..
what is the SERM you are using? adex isn't good enough.

this is speaking as someone who ran 2 deca cycles and did everything right and still took 3 months to fully recover. some guys take a year from deca.