Cycles planned... Input?

[SaladFork]

Ok guys, been trying to do my homework over the last month about my planned cycles. I want to thank everyone who has been giving me help and feedback, glad I stumbled onto EF before seeking help at BB.com. I’m currently 6’0, 190-195lbs and am still bulking up, I plan on getting to 205 before I start.

I plan on running three cycles total to begin with, not back to back either. I will give myself time to recover.

1- 8 w (Have 24 weeks’ worth) - Trenbolone/Acetate (need help on the dose for first cycle)
1-8 w H/C/G (500ui’s) - Thanks Needto
9-13w Dermacrine Sustain Alpha 5 pumps ED - Thanks Needto
9-13w 25mg of Clomid (Optional) - Thanks Needto

Do you guys think I should run longer than 8 weeks on my first cycle? I hear you guys saying trenbolone can have some hardcore sides for some people and am not sure how I will react.

I would like to mirror my first cycle for my second cycle (not sure what I should change). Maybe run for 10 or 12 weeks for my second and add an oral like Dianobol?

And for my third cycle I have 12 weeks of Sustanon 250 but have not worked on a plan for this cycle, input welcome along with a PST for Sustanon.

Thanks guys,

Helpers get K.
Haters get bombs.

 

[hehateme000]

Tren probably isnt a good idea for a first cycle...make ur first cycle test for 12 weeks

 

[hurricane]

do the test sus as your 1st cycle thats my advise ..tren is a harsh choice for 1st cycle and dont like it alone either

 

[eddymerckx]

wish i could help bro but tr.en. ain't my thing (asthma--shit would kill me)

but i would suggest a test only 1st cycle if that is an option.

 

[SaladFork]

I could run the sustanon first, but was just reading it was a bad idea for a first cycle, thoughts?

And I forgot to mention I am getting blood work before, mid and after.

 

[SaladFork]

wish i could help bro but tr.en. ain't my thing (asthma--shit would kill me)

but i would suggest a test only 1st cycle if that is an option.

I can get my hands on some test tonight, going to see my guy. What should I do about the Tren, keep it for later?

 

[GUARDIAN]

I could run the sustanon first, but was just reading it was a bad idea for a first cycle, thoughts?

And I forgot to mention I am getting blood work before, mid and after.

def no to tren & def no to tren only imo.

sus aint bad but i think it should be save for cycles 1gram or more ew so you can shoot it eod and take full advantage of short esters.

you could do .5ml eod (assuming it is 250 mg/ml) and be fine. plus u will still get a little taste of the short esters this will average just under 500mg ew which is a good place to start.

 

[eddymerckx]

sust is fine for a first cycle--b/c the short esters will give you some early boost--which is hard enough to wait for after 10 cycles.

the problem is that you really need to do sus e/o/d--so if you have amps you may be tempted to pin a bit (understatement) too much (i would, and then regret it)

 

[BOWTECH]

I wouldn't run Tren as a first cycle either. Or I wouldn't run Tren without Test. Go with Test only for your first run and then you can always go from there for your future cycles. What is your BF% right now?

 

[eddymerckx]

keep the tren for later--the stuff keeps forever. if you can get cyp or enth and bit of prop, that would be the best for a 1st cycle. plan 10-12 weeks at 250/week.

if not do what 8and20 said w/the sus (i like sus more than anything--lmho)

 

[perryscoon]

Do NOT run tren on your first cycle. Tren is serious shit and it will give you a very BAD impression of steroids. It is the only steroid that makes you feel like that and it has horrible sides. Its great stuff but def not for a beginner.

For your first cycle you should do the sustanon. 500mg EW(250 on Mon & Thurs). Run your dbol at 50mg ED the first 4 weeks. Have nolvadex on hand for gyno and clomid for pct along with derma.

Save the tren for your 2nd or 3rd cycle.

 

[SaladFork]

I wouldn't run trenbolone as a first cycle either. Or I wouldn't run Tren without Test. Go with Test only for your first run and then you can always go from there for your future cycles. What is your BF% right now?

I'm 12%, people said i'm lower but I go by the pinch test I have.

keep the trenbolone for later--the stuff keeps forever. if you can get testosterone cypionate or testosterone enanthate and bit of testosterone propionate, that would be the best for a 1st cycle. plan 10-12 weeks at 250/week.

if not do what 8and20 said w/the sus (i like sus more than anything--lmho)

Ok good, cause that shit cost me 600 bux for 24 weeks lol. I can get Test, I will ask tonight if he can get that selection. Why are people saying not to run sus as a first cycle? You know who's advise I take just wondering.

T-

 

[hurricane]

people perfer single esters over mulitple ..1st cycle .. easier to indentify problems, sides etc and where they commin from is 1 reason ..not that big of a deal IMo u will be fine .. use the sus

 

[eddymerckx]

I'm 12%, people said i'm lower but I go by the pinch test I have.



Ok good, cause that shit cost me 600 bux for 24 weeks lol. I can get Test, I will ask tonight if he can get that selection. Why are people saying not to run sus as a first cycle? You know who's advise I take just wondering.

T-

b/c 2 of the esters in su.s are short about 1.5 and 3-4 days, so you have to pin more often otherwise your levels will rollercoaster a bit. Others may worry that the there is a bit of pain from the pro.p whereas cy.p or en.th goes in like--well, nothing.

 

[SaladFork]

Ok cool, so it looks like no Tren for the first cycle. I just talked to him and he said he has Test (didn’t ask which one, going to see him in a few hours) and he has some Unitren (diff version of tren?).

 

[eddymerckx]

any test you get we can come up with a cycle for you--unless it's suspension--then we will just feel sorry for you (although you will huge crazy strong)

 

[SaladFork]

keep the trenbolone for later--the stuff keeps forever. if you can get testosterone cypionate or testosterone enanthate and bit of testosterone propionate, that would be the best for a 1st cycle. plan 10-12 weeks at 250/week.

if not do what 8and20 said w/the sus (i like sus more than anything--lmho)

In theory, couldn’t I just pop the tops off my amps and place in a sterile vial to eliminate using too much and wasting it? Haven’t heard of anyone doing this and it’s probably a dumb ass question.

 

[eddymerckx]

In theory, couldn’t I just pop the tops off my amps and place in a sterile vial to eliminate using too much and wasting it? Haven’t heard of anyone doing this and it’s probably a dumb ass question.

not a stupid question--just load the syringe, pin what you need, draw the rest back into the syringe, change needles to a fresh sterile one--i keep preloads in the fridge in a sealed baggie, and just let it warm a bit before pin the rest. transferring to a vial is more work than it is worth


never had an abscess.

 

[SaladFork]

not a stupid question--just load the syringe, pin what you need, draw the rest back into the syringe, change needles to a fresh sterile one--i keep preloads in the fridge in a sealed baggie, and just let it warm a bit before pin the rest. transferring to a vial is more work than it is worth


never had an abscess.

Great idea, never thought of that...