cycles effect hormone levels forever?

[ibn]

I havent been here in a few years but got some questions and know this is where the gurus hang. A couple years ago i did probably 10 cycles then kept working out but mainly pull ups, dips, pushups, and moutain bike to stay hard. In the last 6 months my muscles started to melt. I had all the blood tests done, but did not tell the doc about aas. i noticed my test is low range now and i was cock strong before juice. the are giving me a bunch of neurological bs and finally i am scheduled to see a endocrine doc next month. i got impatient and started another cycle a couple weeks ago and can feel it workin. Why would my test levels drop like that. i havent done a cycle in a long time. do i gotta do a couple cycles a year forever to stay cut up now?

 

[JohnnyWest]

How old are you? Do you workout with weights or just bodyweight exercises still?
If you research here there is a chance you will beable to get your natural test back up again, a few bros have been able to do it and a few haven't. Also, what is your cycle right now? Why are you on cycle again if you are going to see an endo soon?

 

[thelion2005]

I've read quite a few times in the EF forums about younger men having low test levels as determined by blood testing. Some of these low results regisitered after a cycle and some many months if not a year later. I'd guess the fear is that when you supress the natural system as during a cycle, you do permanent damage. Our medical community has little experience with this problem and seem to offer little help.

There was only one medical group with some success treating this condition with an advanced pct program.

Not all aas users have this condition or perhaps they don't do extensive testing and really don't know.

The quickest "cure" is to again introduce supplemental testo into the system. Perhaps some guys will have to do a HRT program much earlier in life than if they had not done aas at all. If this is the penalty, it is really no big deal.

 

[Triple J]

ya if you messed with progestins like deca or tren the suppression can be longer lasting and become your new homeostasis, however, even in these cases it seems most can recover eventually if they know what they are doing and follow the proper recovery protocols. otherwise as you age sometimes people lose function and either medically need HRT, or just feel better with it regardless

 

[JohnnyWest]

ya if you messed with progestins like deca or tren the suppression can be longer lasting and become your new homeostasis,

that's exactly why I won't run tren or deca again, in my mind it's not worth it.

 

[happiest]

Can Primo shut you down like the nandrolones? Can this also be used as a "stand alone" cycle for 1st timers?

 

[Triple J]

primo is safe but we always recommend at least some T with any cycle. for a nice dry cycle run some proviron with the primo, unless prone to mpb

 

[enacer420nj]

Fuck It, now you have a reason to juice !!!! TESTOSTERONY FOR LIFE YOHZ jk lol

 

[ibn]

How old are you? Do you workout with weights or just bodyweight exercises still?
If you research here there is a chance you will beable to get your natural test back up again, a few bros have been able to do it and a few haven't. Also, what is your cycle right now? Why are you on cycle again if you are going to see an endo soon?

i need the info so i will address all you guys imput. i am 33 and worked out with weights since i was 21. the last few years is my first bodyweight experiment. i started it the end of 2004. i just really noticed in the last few months my muscles were gettin soft and i was loosing weight. so i hit the iron again. my cycle now is 50mg anadrol and 50 winstrol ed i am just seeing if it helps. the reason i went on a cycle is because the doc will not listen when i tell him it is a hormone issue, he thinks it is neurological. i had to force him to do the blood test and schedule the endo doc. all the neorological disorders that he said cause muscle loss are life threating so i figured if i am right the aas will help, if he is right so what i am dieing and might as well peg the test meter anyhow. i got all the tests for the endo doc, i also want to see blood work on juice

 

[ibn]

ya if you messed with progestins like deca or tren the suppression can be longer lasting and become your new homeostasis, however, even in these cases it seems most can recover eventually if they know what they are doing and follow the proper recovery protocols. otherwise as you age sometimes people lose function and either medically need HRT, or just feel better with it regardless

yeah you might be right, my aas use was mainly anadrol, winstrol, dianabol for along time. then i got hip to the stateside tren action and did my own thing since it did not need nolva. i did tren and winstrol for my last few cycles, but still it has been almost 2 years.