CYCLEON and T3 users- Your opinion please

[overrx]

Ok two things have been thus established
1) no real ramp up is needed
2) because thyroid hormone pretty much shuts down quickly
with external supplementation

well if the thyroid hormon shuts down quickly w/ external supplementation then doesnt it make sense that anything over 50 mcg will still shut down the thyroid? so for a cycle wouldnt it make more sense to do something like this

20 days
100, 100, 100, 100, 100, 100, 100, 100, 100, 50, 50 , 50, 50, 25, 25, 25, 25, 12.5, 12.5, 12.5

no ramp up, and no ramping down by 25 mcg until after 50....i see no point in using 75 mcg if its still suppressing the thyroid to a great degree

while this doesnt matter greatly on doses of 100, consider a 150 mcg cycle

150, 150, 150 ,150, 150, 150, 150, 150, 150, 50, 50, 50, 50, 25, 25, 25, 25, 12.5, 12.5, 12.5

that extra time on a dose of 150 instead of 150, 125, 100, 75...could make a lot of diffewrence, and it helps keeps cycles shorter as well

what do y'all think...i could be way off the boat here as i just started doing some research on t3

 

[overrx]

bump

 

[overrx]

^

 

[overrx]

anyone?

 

[SonnyBlack]

bump...id like to know this as well bro.....

 

[Hbone]

If you maintain your diet past cycle you could drop right to fifty and need not go 12.5

 

[overrx]

so is tapering down worth anything? should one just continue max dosage for 75% of the time and drop to 50-25mcg for the last 25%? arent theyr any t3 gurus out there heh

 

[Hbone]

Ive had a couple competitors who can just cut it off cold turkey no consequence. But majority taper off. IMHO the key is to continue diet past t-3 cycle for 3 weeks. I prefer to drop 25mcg every 5 days

 

[SwitchedOn]

I agree with you overrx. If even a small amount of exogenous t3 causes thyroid downregulation then why not start with your peak dosage? Another question that's been bugging me- if the above is basically true then why bother ramping down at all? If your body recognises exogenous t3 entering it then it will shut down it's production. Why won't it just stay shut down even if very, very slowly tapering off? Even if you do something like this:
150, 150, 150, 150, 150, 150, 150, then taper for 5 weeks, ending with a 12.5mcg dose the last few days your thyroid should still be shut down, slow taper or not because of t3 supplementation. In other words why not just run shorter cycles of 100mcg for 21 days or something like that to keep the time of shutdown shorter, much like Andy was saying for DNP, or how we all look at AAS- no taper. I know the mechanisms are different from thyroid to testicles as far as shutting down but the principle still seems to be the same. Let's keep this thread going- Andy, macro, Cycleon, Fonz, Stew, Huck?

 

[SwitchedOn]

Bump for some ideas and opinions.

 

[overrx]

bump for some more opinions/experiences

 

[SonnyBlack]

bump

 

[bulkhead]

bump

i want to know myself

 

[Andre9]

bump

 

[overweight.com]

Bump. I am interested to.

 

[overrx]

where is cylceon ?>

 

[overrx]

last one for ANY experienced T3 users

 

[lawnsaver]

Warlobo, where you at??

 

[SwitchedOn]

up again

Some legitimate questions here regarding something very misunderstood. Lets get some input.

 

[zippy44]

I'm interested in answers to these questions too. There must be someone on this board who knows?....

Zippy

 

[Hbone]

People WArlobo and others have stated their opinion and or formulas many a time in the past on this subject. You can search ,read, then make an educated decision (geuss) based on such, Other then that you arent going to find a general consensus on t-3 use hear or anywhere.


Sorry guys......

 

[overweight.com]

How long before you should start seeing a difference when taking T3? I am only on day five and am at 75mcg, and will stay and this level for a few days before slowing going up to 125mcg. When should I start seeing a difference in weight loss? After hitting peak levels, or slowly as I ramp up?

Thanks.

 

[overweight.com]

Also, there has been alot of discussion about WHEN you take T3. Should it all be taken first thing in the morning or throughout the day?

 

[overrx]

no need to ramp up
it doesnt matter, taking on empty stomach is more effective

 

[overweight.com]

Thanks overrx. Karma for you!

 

[overrx]

People WArlobo and others have stated their opinion and or formulas many a time in the past on this subject. You can search ,read, then make an educated decision (geuss) based on such, Other then that you arent going to find a general consensus on t-3 use hear or anywhere.


Sorry guys......

thats precisely why I am pointing out the INCONSISTENCIES in their theories.

 

[overrx]

Thanks overrx. Karma for you!

returned as well

 

[Hbone]

overx

Overrx, that was not aimed at you. Quite the contrary I am in complete agreement with you on this issue and have used these theory in practice with a few competitors.
I was simply refering to lawnsavers "where are you".

 

[SwitchedOn]

I'll be the first to say USE THE SEARCH BUTTON to anyone who keeps posting things like "should I use cyp or enanthate?". I know there are alot of T3 cycling theories however it's hard to make an educated decision when so many of them conflict. We should be debating this more like we do with AAS and DNP cycle theory. Plus I've read quite a few threads with regard to T3 and have yet to see the questions I've asked answered with solid logic and reasoning.

 

[zippy44]

I'll be the first to say USE THE SEARCH BUTTON to anyone who keeps posting things like "should I use cyp or enanthate?". I know there are alot of T3 cycling theories however it's hard to make an educated decision when so many of them conflict. We should be debating this more like we do with AAS and DNP cycle theory. Plus I've read quite a few threads with regard to T3 and have yet to see the questions I've asked answered with solid logic and reasoning.

Precisely. I always go to the search button first when I have a question and I usually come away with a good sense of the correct answer. I honestly don't think we're trying to beat a dead horse here -- we're just trying to get facts not opinions.

Thanks,
Zippy

 

[gethard1]

Another

fact that at least I am curious about: By using t3 to increase your metabolism, this in turn increases the absorbsion of what ever gear you are using?

So could using t3 actually increase the rate of absorbsion pertaining to blood levels?

 

[starfish]

Does T3 shut down your thyroid on small dosages or do you have to go over 50 mcg first???

starfish

 

[CYCLEON]

it can shut down after about 25-35mcg

Now as to your questions - yes I am for taking high dose almost right off - I always start that way myself - but if you havent done it before, that is why I say a 5% ramp up is ok.

As to the precipitous drop to 50mcg before tapering - I am not really for - the problem is that your body seems to adjust a tad more slowly - I prefer the slow comedown to enable may body to process the new levels - and remember, that extra maount that you did wont help any if you dont get your thyroid going again as fast as possible after supplementation has run out.

I also dont see any problem with longer cycles for those who have serious weight problems - many people take it medically for years - that does not mean doses of 150mcg ED, however!!