cycle suggestions?

[BIG&STRONG]

hey me and my buddy play division 1 football and want to juice very soon. i am 6'4" 296lbs. offensive lineman and have a somewhat low bodyfat concidering my job my buddy is 6'4" 270lb. densive end we have access to just about anything and have done a ton of research we are limited to taking anything accept deca and other norandrolones due to the high detection times. we are thinking of doing a cycle of winny and sus250, or maybe some injectable d-bol (reforvit-b by loeffler labs) but we are not sure. what do you think would be the best for us, keeping size speed and strength in mind. thanks alot

 

[genarr3]

Ref-b is a good product just don't inject it, drink it. It's not known to be the cleanest injectable out there, and you wouldn't want to have to explain an abcess in your ass.

You might want to check some detection times:
http://www.anabolicreview.com/detect.htm#top

 

[Jowers]

If I were you I would take another kind of test instead of sus250 so you won't have to inject so often.

 

[BIG&STRONG]

I THOUGHT THAT SUS250 WAS THE BEST TEST THERE WAS SINCE IT IS A COMBO OF SEVERAL OF THEM I DONT MIND THE INJECTS, I WAS ONLY PLANNING ON DOING ABOUT 500MGS. PER WEEK IS THAT NOT ENOUGH

 

[solidspine]

You guys are pretty big already, with regard to the best test, everyone has a favorite, t-400 is a combo also, I don't like it because of the pain of the injection, prefer test enanthate,

For you two, consider whinny, test and fina as a nice strength combo with minimal bloat.

 

[1Banshee]

Ref-b is a good product just don't inject it, drink it. It's not known to be the cleanest injectable out there, and you wouldn't want to have to explain an abcess in your ass.

Good advice!!
I would go with the Sust / Winny combination if you are looking for Size, Speed and Strength (in that order of importance). The reason I say this is I am aware you will probably gain more size from the ref-b than the winny, but if you are looking for speed then I believe the winny will be a better choice. Less water retention, bloat, ect.
I am not clear as to why Sustanon would require more frequent injects than other tests?? Sustanon can be injected once a week with great results as can Cypionate, Enanthate. The fact Sustanon has two propionate components (propionate at 30mg and phenylpropionate at 60mg) does not mean you MUST inject more often. Sustanon has two very long acting esters isocaproate at 60mg and decanoate 100mg. I know some people do inject sustanon more frequently due feeling it will keep blood levels more consistant, but believe me once a week is very effective... Especially if this is a first cycle as it appears to be???

 

[BIG&STRONG]

HOW MUCH DO YOU GUYS THINK WE SHOULD TAKE I WAS PLANNING ON ABOUT 500MGS. PER WEEK ON THE SUST FOR 3 WEEKS, AND ABOUT HALF WAY THROUGH STARTING THE WINNY 50MG EVERY OTHER DAY FOR ANOTHER 3 WEEKS, BUT I DONT KNOW IF THAT IS ENOUGH IF I AM GOING TO DO THIS SHIT I WANT TO DO IT RIGHT. HOW DO YOU SUGGEST I TAKE THE D-BOL? I ALSO HEARD THAT YOU CAN MIX IT WITH A FEW OUNCES OF ORANGE JUICE, WHEN YOU DRINK IT, IS THAT BS

 

[BIG&STRONG]

I AM ALSO GOING TO TAKE CLOMID AT THE START AND CLOSE TO THE END UNTIL FINISHED, DO I NEED PROVIRON ALSO OR IS THIS SUCH A WEAK CYCLE I SHOULDNT WORRY

 

[solidspine]

500mg test per week - yes plan on clomid.

 

[BIG&STRONG]

so does everything else sound ok i really dont know a whole lot i mean i have freinds that have done roids but the only experiance i have is 10cc of winny eod last summer so i dont know shit accept for what i read. i am totally open to all sugestions on taking anything you think would help me and how to take it. appreciate it a ton