Cycle Questions

[heavyset04]

Info: 21 yrs old, 235 lbs, around 20% bf, been training intense since i was 16 (heavy weights 5x a week), eat 95% healthy.
Cycle: growth hormone at 4IUs/day, liquid clenbuterol at 1/4IU/day (2 days on 1 day off), cytomel, anavar at 50mgs/day for the first 6 weeks.


Any comments/suggestions/experiences would be greatly appreciated. Thx

 

[eddymerckx]

Info: 21 yrs old, 235 lbs, around 20% bf, been training intense since i was 16 (heavy weights 5x a week), eat 95% healthy.
Cycle: growth hormone at 4IUs/day, liquid clenbuterol at 1/4IU/day (2 days on 1 day off), cytomel, anavar at 50mgs/day for the first 6 weeks.


Any comments/suggestions/experiences would be greatly appreciated. Thx

i not sure where to start:

you are too young to mess with t-3 (you are young enough to lose natty)
need run test with the GH
too young for GH anyway
too young for test anyway
too much GH
not even sure what the dose of clen is, but lose it natty--you are 21 it should fall off if you diet is really clean.

 

[heavyset04]

i not sure where to start:

you are too young to mess with t-3 (you are young enough to lose natty)
need run test with the GH
too young for GH anyway
too young for test anyway
too much GH
not even sure what the dose of clen is, but lose it natty--you are 21 it should fall off if you diet is really clean.

my diet is clean but whenever i cut i lose alot of muscle with the fat so the gh will aid in keeping the muscle, maybe 4 ius is too much but if it is ill lower the dose, ive read alot about gh and all the journals and articles state that the influx of gh decreases the activity of the thyroid, thus by taking the t-3 the thyroid gland will stay at its regular activity level. i know im a little young for all of this but im at the point where its hard to grow and even my fitness coach is telling me that supplements wont really help and i should try AS. So basically im gonna try it no matter what, i appreciate the input but am looking more for advice on what to do instead of what not to do if that makes any sense.... say then if this cycle was for a 28 year old.... thx

 

[OMEGA]

would do double days of cardio for a while while natural till you are sure you are super lean

Also a real cycle should wait till 25 or so (imho)

 

[the elite addict]

I agree. Too youg, plus your body fat is on the high side.

 

[sweed]

No no! no GH. No t3, none of that now! you are too young and will mess with your natural production of each. This stuff has to be researched a lot!
you have some mass, but I would cut down before. I was 22 when I did my first and I was around 12% @ 225 at 6'2''. your not 28, there's a BIG difference.

You can cut without loosing a Ton of muscle. find out your BMR. start dieting so your calories are 200-300. do that for a few weeks and you should be loosing a little, but keeing muscle. do some cardio in the morning.
research AAS a lotl I did it for a year and ahalf before so I knew exactly what I was doing and because I was too young.
Believe me, you can drop down to 12- 13% wihtout loosing too much. it'll take time, but it'll be worth it. that's about 18 lbs of fat. That's not bad bro. you can do it!

 

[heavyset04]

No no! no GH. No t3, none of that now! you are too young and will mess with your natural production of each. This stuff has to be researched a lot!
you have some mass, but I would cut down before. I was 22 when I did my first and I was around 12% @ 225 at 6'2''. your not 28, there's a BIG difference.

You can cut without loosing a Ton of muscle. find out your BMR. start dieting so your calories are 200-300. do that for a few weeks and you should be loosing a little, but keeing muscle. do some cardio in the morning.
research AAS a lotl I did it for a year and ahalf before so I knew exactly what I was doing and because I was too young.
Believe me, you can drop down to 12- 13% wihtout loosing too much. it'll take time, but it'll be worth it. that's about 18 lbs of fat. That's not bad bro. you can do it!

thx for ur input, im actually 22 in just under 3 months, do you suggest waiting till then or still longer? about the research and stuff i know ALOT about anabolics, hormones and the effects of them as im doing my major in cellular chemistry and sports medicine so i know the risks. What about the clenbuterol tho? any experience with that? i know it wears down beta2 receptors so ive got the benadryl for after, but i was thinking 3 doses per day, upon rising (then cardio), afternoon and probably around 5 at night (before i hit the weights)? any suggestions? thx

 

[Burpees]

thx for ur input, im actually 22 in just under 3 months, do you suggest waiting till then or still longer? about the research and stuff i know ALOT about anabolics, hormones and the effects of them as im doing my major in cellular chemistry and sports medicine so i know the risks. What about the clenbuterol tho? any experience with that? i know it wears down beta2 receptors so ive got the benadryl for after, but i was thinking 3 doses per day, upon rising (then cardio), afternoon and probably around 5 at night (before i hit the weights)? any suggestions? thx

21, 22, 23.. It's about your growth plates and when they have fused. Not just in terms of growth, but in regards to your own hormone production and development.

I suggest you don't use so many drugs to combat your problem, which isn't obesity, its desperation. Clenbuterol makes my heart go boom boom, couldn't imagine it along with all that other crap in me and hitting the weights with aggression. I think you're putting your ass at risk for nothing. I'm 26, I was 180 lean as hell when I was 18, by the time I was 23 I was 305lbs, I've come back down to 198 strong as an ox, now climbed back up to 220.. I'm 5'11 at 14%, with abs, and that's still 'FAT'. No fucking lie about it.. 20% bf?? Dude you're looking at aromatization city..first stop man titty saloon! I mean they did teach you that in school right?? More Fat = More E & it's Conversion...

 

[thebadguy54]

Holy shit... I don't even know where to start with this one.

Please listen to these guys bro. Don't fuck yourself up with a bunch of drugs you don't need.

 

[SaladFork]

21 yrs old, 235 lbs, around 20% bf would be a 50% clean diet if that.

Your diet sucks homie...

 

[SouthernLord]

GH and T3 is some heavy shit bro. Unless you're getting paid to step on stage leave that shit alone. Too many risks for too little rewards. This link has everything you need to know about adjusting your BMR and getting your diet dialed. Good luck.

http://www.elitefitness.com/forum/steroids-discussion-forum/help-sort-out-your-diet-565562.html

 

[halfcenturian]

WTF kind of FRUITCAKE stack is that? Why not add insulin and synthol?
You are going to fucking OFF yourself. Pleasestop ang go natuiral for a few more years.