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Gym Bulldog13

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I'm looking to put a cycle together and was looking for some feedback. I'm looking to gain 20lbs if possible and KEEP most of my gains. I'm not sure what I need to take to ease the cycle down as I come off. This is what I was thinking...

Dbol - 25mg/day for first 20 days
Omadren/Sust - 500mg/wk for 10 weeks
Deca - 300mg/wk 10 weeks

This is my third cycle and I'm looking for any helpful advice. These steroids aren't set in stone, so please let me know what you think. Help with the kickstarting of the test would be helpful too I guess since I didn't take any anti e's or any test boosters in my previous cycles and kept barely any gains. Please help! Thanks in advance.
 
Looks like a good clean cycle. to me. It's only your 3rd cycle, so you could get away with only using 200mg/wk of deca, but your source may only come in 300mg/ml.
You don't need any "test boosters", the dbol will do a fine job of kick starting this cycle for you. You should pick up your ancillaries before you start this though.
Nolvadex is a must as it can be used during the cycle to combat gyno and for pct.
I would also get some dostinex(cabergoline). If gyno does show up, you won't know if it's from aromatizing test or the progesterone from the deca.

If you bust you ass in the gym and keep the calories up, I think 20lbs will be an easy goal
 
Thanks a lot. What would be a sufficient dose of the nolvadex and dostinex? Do I need anything like HCG to reactivate my test after the cycle?
 
I'd leave the deca out bro. Like apexx said, if you include it you have the dilemma og estro vs. progest. and you'll end up spending you dough treating both. Throw in the cost of deca and put that next to what you think it will really add you test/dbol gains. Not worth it. Sust/dbol is all you need, the only question is how much and how long. This depends on you past cycles.
 
Thanks a lot. What would be a sufficient dose of the nolvadex and dostinex? Do I need anything like HCG to reactivate my test after the cycle?
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HCG does NOT "reactivate" your Test. It simply makes your nut come back to the correct size which MAY help start your natty test production better. The bottom line is that you need the nolva to help with E levels until your natty test levels get back up to par. And unless you EAT, more while you are in your PCT, then you WILL lose weight...
Anyway, with that cycle, I would recommend HCG either during the cycle to keep the boys up, or HCG during PCT to bring the up to size quickly.
 
I've read from different sites that Deca is usually included in a mass cycle. Are you saying that it's not necessary? I would love cut my costs by eliminating the deca. Is this the best mass gaining cycle? Sorry for all the questions!
 
Apexx said:
Looks like a good clean cycle. to me. It's only your 3rd cycle, so you could get away with only using 200mg/wk of deca, but your source may only come in 300mg/ml.
You don't need any "test boosters", the dbol will do a fine job of kick starting this cycle for you. You should pick up your ancillaries before you start this though.
Nolvadex is a must as it can be used during the cycle to combat gyno and for pct.
I would also get some dostinex(cabergoline). If gyno does show up, you won't know if it's from aromatizing test or the progesterone from the deca.

If you bust you ass in the gym and keep the calories up, I think 20lbs will be an easy goal
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so true... at that low a dose of deca i doubt you will see gyno (i never did anyway at 300mg/week, but i'm not prone to it ever) u didnt keep your gains cause u had no pct, not because of no anti-e's... get the nolva and some cabaser(dostinex).. if you need, take 20mg nolva daily and .5 (that's half) mg every 3-4days of the cabaser. run your pct w/some hcg and nolvadex..continue the nolva for 4-6weeks....keep eating / keep training / keep sleeping.. i know its easier said than done, my sorry ass hasnt seen the gym in almost a week .... =(
 
Gym Bulldog13 said:
I've read from different sites that Deca is usually included in a mass cycle. Are you saying that it's not necessary? I would love cut my costs by eliminating the deca. Is this the best mass gaining cycle? Sorry for all the questions!
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Is test/deca/dbol the best mass gaining cycle? IMO, and many many others, this is probably the best cycle for overall mass gains. Now the question is, will you still see enough gains to be satisfied without deca. I don't see why you wouldn't be happy with the results of test/dbol.
 
It's a great cycle...the amounts are good too...But if you want to save money and not go with the Deca, then that is fine too. The acheivment of your goals are still going to rely more on Diet, Training, and Rest, more so than the AAS.
 
If you haven't bought your gear yet, I'd reccomend test e in place of sust. Your blood levels will stay steadier and it'd probably be worth a couple of pounds just for that reason.
 
Gym Bulldog13 said:
Does anyone else think enanthate is better? Also what would the injection schedule be for sust or test e, both once per week?
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I've used both and the end result is pretty much the same. You could get away with one shot per week, but I would do 2 x's per week just to keep
your blood levels more stable.
 
The half-life of test e is about 5 days in most people so E5D is considered ideal. Shooting at 350mg E5D would put you just a shade under 500mg/wk (and you'd want to shoot 700 mg in the first shot of your cycle).
 
Guinness5.0 said:
The half-life of test e is about 5 days in most people so E5D is considered ideal. Shooting at 350mg E5D would put you just a shade under 500mg/wk (and you'd want to shoot 700 mg in the first shot of your cycle).
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Sorry bro, but the 1/2 life of enanthate is about 10.5 days.

You could front load the test, but I don't see the need if a fast acting
compound like dbol is being used for a kick start.

Save this, it might come in handy in the future.

Oral steroids Drug Active half-life
Anadrol / Anapolan50 (oxymetholone) 8 to 9 hours
Anavar (oxandrolone) 9 hours
Dianabol (methandrostenolone, methandienone) 4.5 to 6 hours
Methyltestosterone 4 days
Winstrol (stanozolol)
(tablets or depot taken orally) 9 hours

Depot steroids Drug Active half-life
Deca-durabolin (Nandrolone decanate) 14 days
Equipoise 14 days
Finaject (trenbolone acetate) 3 days
Primobolan (methenolone enanthate) 10.5 days
Sustanon or Omnadren 15 to 18 days
Testosterone Cypionate 12 days
Testosterone Enanthate 10.5 days
Testosterone Propionate 4.5 days
Testosterone Suspension 1 day
Winstrol (stanozolol) 1 day

Steroid esters Drug Active half-life
Formate 1.5 days
Acetate 3 days
Propionate 2 days
Phenylpropionate 4.5 days
Butyrate 6 days
Valerate 7.5 days
Hexanoate 9 days
Caproate 9 days
Isocaproate 9 days
Heptanoate 10.5 days
Enanthate 10.5 days
Octanoate 12 days
Cypionate 12 days
Nonanoate 13.5 days
Decanoate 15 days
Undecanoate 16.5 days

Ancillaries Drug Active half-life
Arimidex 3 days
Clenbuterol 1.5 days
Clomid 5 days
Cytadren 6 hours
Ephedrine 6 hours
T3 10 hours
 
thanks bro. I think I assumed the half life was 5 days cuz so many people shoot it every 5. Good shit posting all those half-lives. Thanks bro.
 
Does anyone think Primo would be a good substitute for Deca? I'm reading nothing but good things about primo. What do you guys think, and how would I incorporate it for a mass building cycle?
 
Primo and deca are very similar, but there are definite differences.
Primo is more expensive and you would have to take more to achieve the same mass that you would get from deca. On the other hand, there are also fewer sides from primo.
I personally have never used primo, but if I had to choose between the two I would go with a low dose of deca. If the dose is reasonable, the sides shouldn't be bad and it's much less expensive.
 
So the cycle as I laid it out from the beginning would be a good mass gainer? I'm looking to minimize bloat and learn as much as I can about each AAS before I decide to take them.
 
Apexx said:
I've used both and the end result is pretty much the same. You could get away with one shot per week, but I would do 2 x's per week just to keep
your blood levels more stable.
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he aint lyin'
 
Thanks. If I take the arimidex or nolva this will prevent the water retention right? I don't want to end up gaining 20lbs, then losing 15.
 
I just did some more research and I changed my mind on what I'm going to use. I am going to do a 10 week cycle using 400mg EQ and 500mg Sust/Omna per week. Any comments on this stack? I have decided that I might not need the Dbols...Also, could someone tell me how much arimidex I would need and/or what doses to take? Thanks.
 
Gym Bulldog13 said:
I just did some more research and I changed my mind on what I'm going to use. I am going to do a 10 week cycle using 400mg EQ and 500mg Sust/Omna per week. Any comments on this stack? I have decided that I might not need the Dbols...Also, could someone tell me how much arimidex I would need and/or what doses to take? Thanks.
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i've always 0.5mg ED for arimidex or like 10 or 20mg ED of nolva.. if i'm not mistaken, EQ is nandrolone based so you will need dostinex (cabergoline/cabaser) for possible sides from prolactin buildup or gyno.. if i'm wrong about the EQ someone let me know, i'm not positive as i havent used it before.
titan.
 
LVTitan said:
i've always 0.5mg ED for arimidex or like 10 or 20mg ED of nolva.. if i'm not mistaken, EQ is nandrolone based so you will need dostinex (cabergoline/cabaser) for possible sides from prolactin buildup or gyno.. if i'm wrong about the EQ someone let me know, i'm not positive as i havent used it before.
titan.
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Eq is not Nandrolone based. Any possable signs of gyno (although highly unlikely) can be controlled with an anti-estrogen.

M18
 
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