Cycle help please!!

[MRG01]

Hello Everyone,

I'm not new to the body building world, but I'm not an expert by any means. I'm 25 years old and have been training on and off since I was 18 but have really dedicated myself to it in the past 3. I am 5"11 205 with about 13% body fat, and on Monday I plan on starting a cycle of Winstrol by itself (oral drops). December I stopped my injections of test e and decca and have done nothing since and did not do a post cycle, and I absolutely loved the results. I've spent a lot of time reading these forums in addition to many other websites forums about Winstrol. I was working with a trainer who was a long time gear user 25+ years and he pretty much set me up with everything, and told me exactly what to do, other then that, i'm a newbie to anything else. My questions are the same as many others, do I need to stack it or is taking it solo fine? Will this following diet be ok for it, my ultimate goal is LEAN MASS to get to around 8% body fat, or should I go to a more bulking diet and let the winny cut me up? Should I step up the cardio? Do a different split? Do I need a PCT? Are there any other supplements I should be taking while I'm doing this 50 day cycle? I'm only wanting to do this one cycle, I'm not trying to do a 6month or yearly cycles to add 20 pounds of mass and continue doing cycles for a long time, I just want to do a quick cut cycle. Any and all help will be greatly appreciated, and any constructive criticism is welcomed, thank you so much.

Diet: 10:00am - half a carton of egg whites w/ glass of milk.
12:00pm - Piece of Chicken Breast (plain)
3:00pm - snack before I work out banana with a little peanut butter
5:00pm - 2 scoops of Evolution protein 34g per scoop with a piece of chicken breast or salmon and something green (broccoli, green beans, peas etc...)
8:00pm - Brown rice (small serving) and red or black beans.
11:00pm - Chobani Fat Free Greek Yogurt with 2 truevia sugar added because this stuff is God awful w/o it and a protein shake. If I'm still hungry I'll find some small portioned protein source so I'm not going to bed hungry.
12:00am - Bed

Resistance Program: Monday - Chest/Triceps 3 x 10-12 of 6 exercises. Right now all DB workout. 3x10 of 4 triceps exercises.
Tuesday - Back/Biceps Same frequency and volume as chest.
Wednesday - 30-40 minutes of cardio with wind sprints.
Thursday - Shoulders/Traps Same frequency as chest.
Friday - Same as wednesday.
Saturday - Rest
My Resistance days are are about 2 hours in length.

 

[A Soft Koala]

"Do I need to do a PCT?"

Do more research please, you are not ready.

 

[dylangemelli]

bro the fact that you even ask if you need a pct is fucking scary... i would love to help but the fact that you asked that means you are far from ready to be anywhere near an aas...

 

[TheRippedReverend]

I dont wann get her preg should I jus pull out or use a condom? 

YES pct absolutely.

8% lot of work see things worong in diet to strain that.

Solo winny I see it as pointless kinda but yes, you can run it solo nothing wrong with that.

Imo you should do alot of research on winny before jumping into to this. And have you took a blood test?

 

[Soadman]

Dude have a look around why haven't you done google search for WHATEVA cycle you want to run. like Dylan said you should know pct is needed!

 

[AeRoXx]

Dude don't do it steroids are extremely dangerous these guys are playing Russian roulette with them selfs lol

 

[thelastmrbigg15]

first off you ain't eating shit! up the food bro!

 

[MRG01]

Thank you for your reply's I appreciate it. The reason I asked if a PCT was necessary was because the gentleman who introduced me to gear said the PCT was all up to me in the sense that it was about how much I wanted to keep and how much I was willing to lose in regards to a post cycle, so I figured it was ok. I'm asking because I honestly don't know. I figured the winny would cut me up and as long as I kept eating (which apparently I need to do more of) I would keep the LBM i put on. Comeon dylangemelli help a brotha out, everyone needs some instruction at some point, which is why i'm asking here.

 

[MRG01]

All I wanted was a little advice if you're going to play your little 12 year old games of social hierarchy go ahead, because i'm naive to every gear and PCT's doesn't mean you need to be a fucking asshole about it dylangemelli. Oh you don't even know about it, well you're not in the cool club, so i'm not telling you HAH. Grow up you fucking tool. A simple yes try xyz post cycle would've sufficed or even like thelastmrbigg responded was great.

 

[thecompound]

Thank you for your reply's I appreciate it. The reason I asked if a PCT was necessary was because the gentleman who introduced me to gear said the PCT was all up to me in the sense that it was about how much I wanted to keep and how much I was willing to lose in regards to a post cycle, so I figured it was ok. I'm asking because I honestly don't know. I figured the winny would cut me up and as long as I kept eating (which apparently I need to do more of) I would keep the LBM i put on. Comeon dylangemelli help a brotha out, everyone needs some instruction at some point, which is why i'm asking here.

Im glad you came here and asked before you started blindly buddy thats the first smart start. PCT is required and a must for probably 99% of cycles. I would suggest you browse around here with the search bar to attain information about cycles and dosages. Type stuff in like Test/Deca cycle if you want to know dosages and PCT styles. There are thousands of layouts on thousands of different dosage and combinations of AAS and 30 minutes on here will really help you out. If you cant find the information in the bar then post and we will be happy to answer. Welcome to the site and I hope this helps!

 

[A Soft Koala]

All I wanted was a little advice if you're going to play your little 12 year old games of social hierarchy go ahead, because i'm naive to every gear and PCT's doesn't mean you need to be a fucking asshole about it dylangemelli. Oh you don't even know about it, well you're not in the cool club, so i'm not telling you HAH. Grow up you fucking tool. A simple yes try xyz post cycle would've sufficed or even like thelastmrbigg responded was great.

People on this forum help those who are of age, have a very consistent training routine, have a good diet, and have done enough research to understand what is needed for a cycle and for PCT. Once someone knows these things the people on this forum will help you fine tune it all.

You however are no where near ready. Get rid of the attitude and do more research.

 

[dylangemelli]

All I wanted was a little advice if you're going to play your little 12 year old games of social hierarchy go ahead, because i'm naive to every gear and PCT's doesn't mean you need to be a fucking asshole about it dylangemelli. Oh you don't even know about it, well you're not in the cool club, so i'm not telling you HAH. Grow up you fucking tool. A simple yes try xyz post cycle would've sufficed or even like thelastmrbigg responded was great.

A. running your mouth to a mod and respected member on here will get you nothing but banned... your obviously a kid by even going there with name calling... i dont operate that way, so be a tough guy behind a computer... that says a lot about you...

if you can't do simple google research before you post a question like that, then that's the response your going to get from everyone... i didn't say anything that had any asshole comment in it... i simply said you weren't ready for aas because your NOT! you do some research, come back and fuck yeah i'll help you... that's what i do here for EVERYONE... ask around about who helps the most on this board and I assure you my name will come up A LOT... but if you come in running your mouth because you don't get the answer you WANT, you won't be here long... i assure you, saying the things you said, will not do you any favors... take a look at all your responses... everyone agrees... like i sad, do some of your own research and then come back and you will get the help you need...

 

[MRG01]

Hey thecompound I appreciate it, thank you, and will do, gonna spend a bit of time searching through these forums.

 

[joeblow12345]

Hey thecompound I appreciate it, thank you, and will do, gonna spend a bit of time searching through these forums.

The reason we dont spoon feed cycle advice, is because you need to have a thorough understanding of on cycle support, and pct, so in the event something goes wrong you can fix it before it becomes a problem. These are dangerous hormones and if misused can have serious long and short term consequences. Educate yourself and make an informed decision. Just so you know for future reference, a solid pct is always necessary to safely restore your bodies natural hormone levels and to keep your hard earned gains.

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[MRG01]

I plan on only running this one cycle of winny and thats it, which is why I was only looking for the quick answer. I don't have any interest in running a 6month or multiple cycles. You are right though, I should've done more research before looking for a quick answer. Not that this matters at all dylangemelli because this is a forum, and I'm honestly 100% not trying to start an "online" argument or battle of any sort, its not just behind this computer that I'm a tough guy. Thank you all for the responses I do appreciate them.

 

[joeblow12345]

I plan on only running this one cycle of winny and thats it, which is why I was only looking for the quick answer. I don't have any interest in running a 6month or multiple cycles. You are right though, I should've done more research before looking for a quick answer. Not that this matters at all dylangemelli because this is a forum, and I'm honestly 100% not trying to start an "online" argument or battle of any sort, its not just behind this computer that I'm a tough guy. Thank you all for the responses I do appreciate them.

Hahahaha. Trust me bud no one will run just one cycle. Once you open that can of worms and step over to the darkside, theres no going back. Its ok though, I have been living on the darkside for a while now and I love it. It is one of the few instances in life that you get to feel superhuman. Once you see what these drugs can do, it will change your outlook on juice all together and youll be back. Dont let people feed you that nonsense that steroids are cheating, and training natural is more noble. Those same so called natural lifters are taking every supplement they can to get an advantage. I train my ass off everyday to reach my goals, and all steroids do is give me a little extra help to get there faster. So if you do 1 cycle, you still need to know how to do it right and safely. So when you do a little research, if you encounter something you dont understand, come back and ask and myself or someone else here will be happy to help.

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[metalfujimi]

Hahahaha. Trust me bud no one will run just one cycle. Once you open that can of worms and step over to the darkside, theres no going back. Its ok though, I have been living on the darkside for a while now and I love it. It is one of the few instances in life that you get to feel superhuman. Once you see what these drugs can do, it will change your outlook on juice all together and youll be back. Dont let people feed you that nonsense that steroids are cheating, and training natural is more noble. Those same so called natural lifters are taking every supplement they can to get an advantage. I train my ass off everyday to reach my goals, and all steroids do is give me a little extra help to get there faster. So if you do 1 cycle, you still need to know how to do it right and safely. So when you do a little research, if you encounter something you dont understand, come back and ask and myself or someone else here will be happy to help.

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Absolute truth. You won't run just one cycle. Best to learn about it all the way before you get into it.

 

[MRG01]

Thank you guys for the feed back, its greatly appreciated, really. I did some research and spent hours upon hours the past couple days on this site and others reading through sticky's and scanning through the thousands of threads on the subject, and it has changed my mind on this particular cycle all together. I plan on running test with the winny, probably about 300-400mg a week with 50g a day of the winstrol for only 4 weeks because of what I've read about the gains vs sides ratio, and the research essay I read today was basically an intro on everything you need to know for you first cycles. Do I really need to use HCG, arimidex, or aromasin on cycle? Or would using the recommended dosages of HCG, clomid, aromasin, vit c, and creatine for a PCT be fine?

 

[MRG01]

50mg* made a typo on that last post with the winstrol dosage. Also I meant HCG, arimidex, or aromasin on cycle for AI purposes.

 

[dylangemelli]

Thank you guys for the feed back, its greatly appreciated, really. I did some research and spent hours upon hours the past couple days on this site and others reading through sticky's and scanning through the thousands of threads on the subject, and it has changed my mind on this particular cycle all together. I plan on running test with the winny, probably about 300-400mg a week with 50g a day of the winstrol for only 4 weeks because of what I've read about the gains vs sides ratio, and the research essay I read today was basically an intro on everything you need to know for you first cycles. Do I really need to use HCG, arimidex, or aromasin on cycle? Or would using the recommended dosages of HCG, clomid, aromasin, vit c, and creatine for a PCT be fine?

now thats more fucking like it man! okay... im not sure which kind of test you are going to run but i am going to lay it out for you as if you are using test-e... i think you are aiming a bit low on your mg dosage of test and could do 500... so here is what it would look like

1-12 test e 500 mg/wk... 250mg each pin
7-12 winstrol 50 mg day ( you can run it 4 weeks if you like but 6 would be optimal)
5-12 hcgenerate- 5 caps a day 3 in the a.m. and 2 in the p.m.

as far as aromasin, definitely have it on hand... i also use an a.i. on cycle to be preventative and to reduce bloat... if you don't need it during cycle then so be it but you absolutely want to have it on hand in case you have any sort of gyno occurrence...

you also need to take n2guard at least during the winstrol portion of your cycle... it is toxic and you need to protect your liver and bp...

i would definitely recommend having forged joint repair as well because winny will definitely dry out your joints and could cause some pain there... some get it more than others but you need to make sure you are covered for this...

PCT - two weeks after your last pin

clomid- 25/12.5/12.5/12.5
unleashed/post cycle combo
forma stanzol


there you go man... hope this helps!

 

[MRG01]

Haha thanks dylan for the help man, and sorry about the misunderstanding, i'm a newbie and should've come better prepared stepping into you guys's world. I had planned on the n2guard as well as forged joint, but I will definitely get the HCG and have Aromasin for on cycle now. Thanks again broseph.

 

[MRG01]

now thats more fucking like it man! okay... im not sure which kind of test you are going to run but i am going to lay it out for you as if you are using test-e... i think you are aiming a bit low on your mg dosage of test and could do 500... so here is what it would look like

1-12 test e 500 mg/wk... 250mg each pin
7-12 winstrol 50 mg day ( you can run it 4 weeks if you like but 6 would be optimal)
5-12 hcgenerate- 5 caps a day 3 in the a.m. and 2 in the p.m.

as far as aromasin, definitely have it on hand... i also use an a.i. on cycle to be preventative and to reduce bloat... if you don't need it during cycle then so be it but you absolutely want to have it on hand in case you have any sort of gyno occurrence...

you also need to take n2guard at least during the winstrol portion of your cycle... it is toxic and you need to protect your liver and bp...

i would definitely recommend having forged joint repair as well because winny will definitely dry out your joints and could cause some pain there... some get it more than others but you need to make sure you are covered for this...

PCT - two weeks after your last pin

clomid- 25/12.5/12.5/12.5
unleashed/post cycle combo
forma stanzol


there you go man... hope this helps!

You are the man Dylan, thanks for the layout brother. The need2buildmuscle website, is that a good and reliable site?

 

[dylangemelli]

Haha thanks dylan for the help man, and sorry about the misunderstanding, i'm a newbie and should've come better prepared stepping into you guys's world. I had planned on the n2guard as well as forged joint, but I will definitely get the HCG and have Aromasin for on cycle now. Thanks again broseph.

its all good man... all i needed was a little smidge of info from you and that's what you can always expect in return man... im always here if you need anything! good luck!

 

[MRG01]

Hey Dylan, do you think running a 6 week test e/winstrol cycle is too short? My total goals are not to really gain 15-20 pounds so I was thinking was there still a need for a 12 week cycle? I wanted more of a 5-6 lean muscle gain. I would still do everything the same obviously with the on cycle HCG, post of the clomid, unleashed, and forma stanzol, but just start the test e / winny at the same time and just post after 6? Or because the test levels really aren't there until 5-6 weeks in, it would be worthless for a cycle that short?

 

[joeblow12345]

Hey Dylan, do you think running a 6 week test e/winstrol cycle is too short? My total goals are not to really gain 15-20 pounds so I was thinking was there still a need for a 12 week cycle? I wanted more of a 5-6 lean muscle gain. I would still do everything the same obviously with the on cycle HCG, post of the clomid, unleashed, and forma stanzol, but just start the test e / winny at the same time and just post after 6? Or because the test levels really aren't there until 5-6 weeks in, it would be worthless for a cycle that short?

Yes 6 Weeks of test e is to short. If you only wanna do 6 Weeks run test prop instead. If your running test e 10 Weeks is the minimum Id run it.

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[MRG01]

I kinda answered my own questions here, I searched and found some test p alternates to test e if you are only wanting to do an 8 week cycle, so I'll look into that.

 

[MRG01]

Yes 6 Weeks of test e is to short. If you only wanna do 6 Weeks run test prop instead. If your running test e 10 Weeks is the minimum Id run it.

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Thanks a lot Joe, so with 6-8 weeks of the tes p if i decide to go that way with the winny. Now I'm sorry if i'm repeating myself i get a little confused with the on cycle and ai stuff. Stay with adex or aromasin, or forma stanzol for the ai, and HCGenerate on cycle? Then for post go clomid, and unleashed/post combo? Is nova no good, i see a lot of pepole doing nova for post?

 

[joeblow12345]

Thanks a lot Joe, so with 6-8 weeks stay with the test p/winny, stick to aromasin,adex,or hcgenerate or forma stanzol on cycle? clomid, unleashed/post cycle combo ?

The oncycle support,pct and ais Dylan laid out are good to go. And for the short cycle test p/ winny is solid. Like I said test e is pointless on short cycles.

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[MRG01]

Awesome, then I will do exactly as the man Dylan said, thanks a ton for the help on the shorter cycle broseph, I greatly appreciate it. Again sorry for the redundancy, just wanna make sure I have it down right.

 

[dylangemelli]

Awesome, then I will do exactly as the man Dylan said, thanks a ton for the help on the shorter cycle broseph, I greatly appreciate it. Again sorry for the redundancy, just wanna make sure I have it down right.

its no problem on the redundancy man... its better to ask than to not ask and fuck it up... so don't worry about that...

i would not run any sort of test under 8 weeks, even prop... there's no point in not getting the full effects out of everything you run... understand though, if you have never pinned, prop may not be the best choice to start with... its one of the more painful injections you can do... plus you will be pinning it EOD... as opposed to twice a week on test e or c... but if you just want to run winny by itself, thats totally fine man! you can still get nice results... it won't be a 20 lb. gain or anything crazy but 5-7 lbs of nice lean mass is totally obtainable... if you need anything, pm me and i will always be here to help...

 

[Nelson Montana]

If you've never run the UNLEASHED/BIG BLAST/BRIDGE stack, you still haven't grown as much as you could.