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safe999

safe999

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Hi there. Iv posted this twice. I posted it in the HIV ans steroids section, i didnt mean to at all, cos i dont have HIV. sorry im new.

A bit of background. I am a 25 yr old body builder who has been building naturally now for 6 years. I am now very interested in taking this to the next level. I have done much research on different cycles/stacks and have now come up with what i consider to be a good cycle/stack.

The question is, now that i have come up with the cycle i would like some advice or opinions on whether anti-estrogens are needed and if so what kind and when in the cyle should be used. I have heard of HCG - human chorionic gonadotropin - , clomid, nolvadex. Also what type of PCT am i looking for with this cycle

The stack is as follows


Week1-3: Dianabol - methandrostenolone - (20MG,25mG,30MG) - oral
week3-5: Sustanon (250mg,250mg,500mg) - injection
week5-7: Anavar (10mg,10mg,10mg)- oral
week7-9: primabolin (100mg,200mg,200mg) - injection
week9-12: Deca-Durabolin - nandrolone decanoate - -durabolin (200mg,400mg,400mg,200mg) - injection


Il appreciate all the help i get


James
 
safe999 said:
Hi there. Iv posted this twice. I posted it in the HIV ans steroids section, i didnt mean to at all, cos i dont have HIV. sorry im new.

A bit of background. I am a 25 yr old body builder who has been building naturally now for 6 years. I am now very interested in taking this to the next level. I have done much research on different cycles/stacks and have now come up with what i consider to be a good cycle/stack.

The question is, now that i have come up with the cycle i would like some advice or opinions on whether anti-estrogens are needed and if so what kind and when in the cyle should be used. I have heard of HCG - human chorionic gonadotropin - , clomid, nolvadex.

The stack is as follows


Week1-3: Dianabol - methandrostenolone - (20MG,25mG,30MG) - oral
week3-5: Sustanon (250mg,250mg,500mg) - injection
week5-7: Anavar (10mg,10mg,10mg)- oral
week7-9: primabolin (100mg,200mg,200mg) - injection
week9-12: Deca-Durabolin - nandrolone decanoate - -durabolin (200mg,400mg,400mg,200mg) - injection


Il appreciate all the help i get


James
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Just based on what u have laid out it looks like u need to go back and research some more.

1) too many compounds for a 1st cycle
2) go with test only
3) there are so many things wrong with your proposed cycle, besides the number of different compounds, i wouldnt even know where to begin :(
 
x3 to 8and20.
 
8and20 said:
Just based on what u have laid out it looks like u need to go back and research some more.

1) too many compounds for a 1st cycle
2) go with test only
3) there are so many things wrong with your proposed cycle, besides the number of different compounds, i wouldnt even know where to begin :(
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This is very true , do work .
And welcome to the board .
Brad.
 
Well i got the cycle as an example cycle off a website 3 weeks blitx cycle. I did quite a bit of research and all the roids seemed to combine together well. Any ideas on a good cycle, where i am going to seriouslt stack on the weight and strength. Im more interested in some extreme growth. Thanks for the help so far

J
 
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safe999 said:
Well i got the cycle as an example cycle off www.pharmaeurope.com 3 weeks blitx cycle. I did quite a bit of research and all the roids seemed to combine together well. Any ideas on a good cycle, where i am going to seriouslt stack on the weight and strength. Im more interested in some extreme growth. Thanks for the help so far

J
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bro lease edit this post do not post up websites like that
 
It may seem like i havent but i have tried to do a lot of research on steroids and what to stack and cycle. But as you know there is so so much information out there and half of them contradict each other.. thats why im asking for the opinions of people who know what they're talking about.
The reason i thought that using so many compunds would be a positive idea is that the recpetors in the body loose there sensitivity after 3 weeks so the effects become less pronounced, therefore using more compunds but for shorter peroids would be benefical and promote faster quicker growth. So if anyone would be able to help me out with a stack and cycle. something thats going to give good results.Then id be so so grateful

James
 
ok bro, first cycle imo you are better off using test only
250-400mg a week for 10 weeks is plenty
be sure your diet is spot on
whats your current diet look like by the way?
be sure to study up on AIs and PCT
 
upgrade to plat membership. one of the many benefits is the plat search which will help you with your research of what a good first cycle is. as i suggested a good first cycle is test only. i will leave at that. at this point i feel u r not ready to jump into it. stick around read up and u will find most answers to all your questions right here on EF. dont expect to be spoon fed this information. get yourself well informed with your research and ask good questions or clarification as to what you read if need be. it would take pages of typing just to fill in the blanks of what appears to be missing in your understanding. this is not an overnight process. this can take many months.

Good Luck!
 
2nd 3rd and 4th 8and20...first time cycles imo should be test only for 10 weeks between 200-400mg EW and maybe throwing in winny at 50mg eod for weeks 4-10...but as they have all said before...RESEARCH RESEARCH RESEARCH will give you the best results
 
safe999 said:
cheers 8and20 will do

J.
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Its very refreshing to see you listen to this advice many noobs post up cycles that are very wrong and argue about why they should work never listening to real experince there just looking to be told what they wont to hear .

To help us help you better when we see you post again give us your stats ie;
Weight
Height
Body fat %
Training
Diet
And goals
You know there is many dif aas so its not all cookie cutter stuff and again welcome to the best board around its all here diet ,training ,supps and the best mods and mentors around .

Brad.
 
8and20 said:
upgrade to plat membership. one of the many benefits is the plat search which will help you with your research of what a good first cycle is. as i suggested a good first cycle is test only. i will leave at that. at this point i feel u r not ready to jump into it. stick around read up and u will find most answers to all your questions right here on EF. dont expect to be spoon fed this information. get yourself well informed with your research and ask good questions or clarification as to what you read if need be. it would take pages of typing just to fill in the blanks of what appears to be missing in your understanding. this is not an overnight process. this can take many months.

Good Luck!
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why don't you buy him a one week plat with some of your 1.3MM karmas?
 
I just want to say, thanks for all the advice guys. its been informative. A special thanks to 8and20 who seems to post everywhere and always seems to be right and hesnobraddpit for making me feel very welcome. Iv obviously got a lot lot more researching to do so i best start reading and reading ehh. It is just a bit tiring as much information contradicts each other :p.

Every one keeps suggesting a cycle of test but iv read on so many sites now test. is not neccesary for first time cycles which is why i was considering decca e.t.c

Read read read is the way forward. As for now im just going to stick to supps. and do some major research before decidin on a suitable cycle

J.
 
safe999 said:
I just want to say, thanks for all the advice guys. its been informative. A special thanks to 8and20 who seems to post everywhere and always seems to be right and hesnobraddpit for making me feel very welcome. Iv obviously got a lot lot more researching to do so i best start reading and reading ehh. It is just a bit tiring as much information contradicts each other :p.

Every one keeps suggesting a cycle of test but iv read on so many sites now test. is not neccesary for first time cycles which is why i was considering decca e.t.c

Read read read is the way forward. As for now im just going to stick to supps. and do some major research before decidin on a suitable cycle

J.
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He makes me feel warm & fuzzy too...lol
 
well it sounds like u do have some experience with raining and dieting so what u need now is to keep things simple. A first run of:

1-10 test e 250 mg ew

should do u fine. With diet and training in check u should grow very well on this. I think u need to have some basic principles laid out for u.

First: A first run should only include one compound because this enables u to identify the source of any problems that should arise immediately and take corrective action. Right now u have absolutely no idea how ur body will react to aas.

Secondly: The goal is to reach ur goals using as little as possible both to decrease risk of health issues and reduce discomfort due to sideeffects. Besides this leaves room to increase doses at a later date when needed.

Thirdly: U need to be very clear on ur goals for a cycle. Never just throw a lot of compounds into the mix and see what happens. This goes for ancilliaries such as antiestrogens too. Usually it is better to decrease doses of aromatizing compounds than introducing even more drugs. This does not always have to be the case of course but too may people effectively cancels out their cycles with ancilliaries.

Fourth: Always have everything u need on hand BEFORE starting ur cycle. This includes ancilliaries u keep on hand just in case u might need them (which is IMO the correct way of using them until u reach an advanced stage of using). Also it includes everything u'll need for PCT.

The good bros in here can probably add to this list but this was what struck me as sometrhing u needed to know. Anyways as the guys said: Read read read.

Good luck man.
 
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