Cycle for USMC training

[hehateme000]

SO i went into bootcamp, and got taken out because i ha to serve a warrant i got back in napa while i was training. So i have time to take a cycle before i go back into the Corps, and i wanted to finalize my first cycle.

Week 1-10 = Test 300mg EW
week 1-4 = Dbol 35mgED
week 3-10 = HCG 250iu 2x EW
week 12-15 = Derma Sustain
week 12-15 = Endo-amp
week 12-19 = Toco-8
week 12-15 = VIGOR
week 12-19 = UNLEASHED
week 12-19 = Post Cycle

With a clean healthy big diet, multi-vitamins, lot of water and some BCAA's.

Nolva on hand in case i see gyno.

1) DO you think i need A-dex or aromasin? because of test @300mg/10 weeks

 

[gjohnson5]

What's the warrant for? (just kidding BUT I was just curious how you got past recruiters and MEPS with a warrant...)

Anyway I think the marines does more running then us Army guys do so I would work that hard and some test wouldn't hurt that at all. I would say yes a little adex wouldn't hurt

 

[dabuffguy]

SO i went into bootcamp, and got taken out because i ha to serve a warrant i got back in napa while i was training. So i have time to take a cycle before i go back into the Corps, and i wanted to finalize my first cycle.

Week 1-10 = Test 300mg EW
week 1-4 = Dbol 35mgED
week 3-10 = HCG 250iu 2x EW
week 12-15 = Derma Sustain
week 12-15 = Endo-amp
week 12-19 = Toco-8
week 12-15 = VIGOR
week 12-19 = UNLEASHED
week 12-19 = Post Cycle

With a clean healthy big diet, multi-vitamins, lot of water and some BCAA's.

Nolva on hand in case i see gyno.

1) DO you think i need A-dex or aromasin? because of test @300mg/10 weeks

300mg test + 245mg ew of dbol will probably need an AI.

 

[hehateme000]

credit card fraud that happened back 4 months before i joined, but when i went to San Jose for MEPS i didnt have a warrant. They issued it to me while i was in bootcamp (fuckin bitches)


only place i can get adex is very expensive, so i want to make sure if i need it or not with this cycle. .25mg ED or EOD? weeks 1-10?

 

[xrsist]

SO i went into bootcamp, and got taken out because i ha to serve a warrant i got back in napa while i was training. So i have time to take a cycle before i go back into the Corps, and i wanted to finalize my first cycle.

Week 1-10 = Test 300mg EW
week 1-4 = Dbol 35mgED
week 3-10 = HCG 250iu 2x EW
week 12-15 = Derma Sustain
week 12-15 = Endo-amp
week 12-19 = Toco-8
week 12-15 = VIGOR
week 12-19 = UNLEASHED
week 12-19 = Post Cycle

With a clean healthy big diet, multi-vitamins, lot of water and some BCAA's.

Nolva on hand in case i see gyno.

1) DO you think i need A-dex or aromasin? because of test @300mg/10 weeks

that is all you need at the age of 18/19 ^

 

[hehateme000]

that is all you need at the age of 18/19 ^

i understand that, but i know i wont be taking more than 2 cycles in my life. I just want to be at my max size and have the highest PFT score before i join the corps again. And the cycle after that will be 1 during my 4 year agreement with the Corps, and then im done with steroids. By then im hoping to go into Arena Football.

Honestly, some test and some dbol are not gonna hurt me with how my PCT is and how im going to eat and train. This will only be 1 of 2 cycles i do in my life.

 

[vandelman]

Bro,....to be honest....I wouldn't cycle a damn thing before going to boot camp. If I were you i'd just train natural...get your diet on lock....be able to run 6 miles strait without stopping.....and at least 2 miles between 12-14 minutes.....be able to carry 60lbs on your back and walk for 12 miles in boots....be able to do 85 push-ups in 2 minutes, and 86 sit-ups in 2 minutes. Honestly man....figure out your natural physical limitations before going back to Boot Camp...and how to be mentally tough enough to push past them.......i think thats the whole point of going to Boot Camp bro...don't cheat yourself out of that experience. Save that lil cycle for later.....and use it while your fighting "Hodgie" in the sandbox!

 

[vandelman]

i understand that, but i know i wont be taking more than 2 cycles in my life. I just want to be at my max size and have the highest PFT score before i join the corps again. And the cycle after that will be 1 during my 4 year agreement with the Corps, and then im done with steroids. By then im hoping to go into Arena Football.

Honestly, some test and some dbol are not gonna hurt me with how my PCT is and how im going to eat and train. This will only be 1 of 2 cycles i do in my life.

Holy hell bro....show me the dude who has done 2 descent cycles with awesome results.....and has been able to say...."O.K....I'm Done" This shit is like potato chips..."Betcha can't eat just one"

 

[hehateme000]

Ive been through the mental part, so im already past them Lol what i mean is that ive already been through the worse part. I was a squad leader when i was there and idk i wanted to use this time off to train extra hard.

Right now i can do 75 pushups without stopping, 103 crunches in 2 minutes, 13:30 2 mile run, and 13 pullups. Mainly i wanted to get faster while getting my pullups and pushups to increase, but it doesnt neccassarily mean i have to do a cycle to get that, i just know it will help me a lot and i know im doin it safe.

 

[eddymerckx]

that is all you need at the age of 18/19 ^

+1 --you cannot say you will not cycle again--life is funny--it has a plan and has not consulted you so you never know where you will be is a year much less 20 (your recent events prove this). dont make a decision at 20 b/v you know what will haoppen when you are 40----better lucl with the lottery than predicting the future

 

[hehateme000]

Holy hell bro....show me the dude who has done 2 descent cycles with awesome results.....and has been able to say...."O.K....I'm Done" This shit is like potato chips..."Betcha can't eat just one"

haha, i know it will be addicting as fuck but mainly i learn about everything here so i have the knowledge to become a personal trainer and to understand the body more. I want to learn human anatomy and physiology, I dont really want to keep doing cycle after cycle because the two things that kill steroid users is long time use and amount of gear used.

 

[hehateme000]

+1 --you cannot say you will not cycle again--life is funny--it has a plan and has not consulted you so you never know where you will be is a year much less 20 (your recent events prove this). dont make a decision at 20 b/v you know what will haoppen when you are 40----better lucl with the lottery than predicting the future

Taking a cycle is your own choice. I choose to only do 2 cycles in my life. I know i will love the gains but that doesnt mean i have to keep taking cycles. 2 cycles will get me to where i dont see a point of getting better, im already in great shape. I could just use a little more mass. And i just wanted a safe cycle that could get me stronger for bootcamp, and one right before if i dont have a high enough PFT to be in RECON. I Dont know what my plan is in life and it CAN change, but thats my plan for the marine corps and i dont see how those 2 cycles will do any harm to me.

 

[eddymerckx]

Taking a cycle is your own choice. I choose to only do 2 cycles in my life. I know i will love the gains but that doesnt mean i have to keep taking cycles. 2 cycles will get me to where i dont see a point of getting better, im already in great shape. I could just use a little more mass. And i just wanted a safe cycle that could get me stronger for bootcamp, and one right before if i dont have a high enough PFT to be in RECON. I Dont know what my plan is in life and it CAN change, but thats my plan for the marine corps and i dont see how those 2 cycles will do any harm to me.

and hence the problem. we have tread this ground before hateme so i will not reitterate why it is wrong.....just know that willful blindness is human, but not smart, nor logical.

good luck with whatever road you follow....

a new ef first--a poem that does not involve boobs---by robert frost

The Road Not Taken (1921)

TWO roads diverged in a yellow wood,
And sorry I could not travel both
And be one traveler, long I stood
And looked down one as far as I could
To where it bent in the undergrowth;

Then took the other, as just as fair,
And having perhaps the better claim,
Because it was grassy and wanted wear;
Though as for that the passing there
Had worn them really about the same,

And both that morning equally lay
In leaves no step had trodden black.
Oh, I kept the first for another day!
Yet knowing how way leads on to way,
I doubted if I should ever come back.

I shall be telling this with a sigh
Somewhere ages and ages hence:
Two roads diverged in a wood, and I—
I took the one less traveled by,
And that has made all the difference

 

[hehateme000]

and hence the problem. wh have tread this ground before hateme so i will not reitterate why it is wrong.....just know that willful blindness is human, but not smart, nor logical.

good luck with whatever road you follow....

k thank you. i might choose to not do them instead, i really dont know. IS there anything wrong with my cycle?

 

[vandelman]

Ive been through the mental part, so im already past them Lol what i mean is that ive already been through the worse part. I was a squad leader when i was there and idk i wanted to use this time off to train extra hard.

Right now i can do 75 pushups without stopping, 103 crunches in 2 minutes, 13:30 2 mile run, and 13 pullups. Mainly i wanted to get faster while getting my pullups and pushups to increase, but it doesnt neccassarily mean i have to do a cycle to get that, i just know it will help me a lot and i know im doin it safe.

Lil Bro....I salute ya for signing up......but I don't think you've been through the worse part yet......I'll throw down everything that I have to bet that when you complete your first contract you'll look back on Basic Training and laugh at what you thought was "the mental part" of your training..........try being the one in charge of a group of men and telling them what they are going to do next......with everyone scared shitless........with real bullets landing around ya coming from some really pissed off people..........you'll find that it requires a little more mental toughness and self-awareness then it does getting your ass chewed as a squad leader in Basic because your buddy didn't make his bunk tight enough that morning..........just believe me on that one bro.......its gonna be a long road, but it will be fun........just be a good solid bro...and a good troop.....do your time....take what they give ya....have some fun.....take the rid.......then Run Forest Run!!! Sorry if I said to much or didn't tell ya what you wanted to hear......lets just say I got my t-shirt folded away.......so leave that cycle until later Lil Bro.......go get laid....hang out with your friends and family........Vandel's signing off on this one....Vaya con Dios Lil Bro!

 

[eddymerckx]

Lil Bro....I salute ya for signing up......but I don't think you've been through the worse part yet......I'll throw down everything that I have to bet that when you complete your first contract you'll look back on Basic Training and laugh at what you thought was "the mental part" of your training..........try being the one in charge of a group of men and telling them what they are going to do next......with everyone scared shitless........with real bullets landing around ya coming from some really pissed off people..........you'll find that it requires a little more mental toughness and self-awareness then it does getting your ass chewed as a squad leader in Basic because your buddy didn't make his bunk tight enough that morning..........just believe me on that one bro.......its gonna be a long road, but it will be fun........just be a good solid bro...and a good troop.....do your time....take what they give ya....have some fun.....take the rid.......then Run Forest Run!!! Sorry if I said to much or didn't tell ya what you wanted to hear......lets just say I got my t-shirt folded away.......so leave that cycle until later Lil Bro.......go get laid....hang out with your friends and family........Vandel's signing off on this one....Vaya con Dios Lil Bro!

+1 from a bro that has been there and done that--advice does not get any better--

 

[gjohnson5]

The way MEPS works is that you go do a full physical. Yes that physical includes a urine test. That physical I believe is good for 6 months. So when he goes back in he shouldn't have to do another. He'll just go to get shipped to basic

He should be fine, it's just test

Bro,....to be honest....I wouldn't cycle a damn thing before going to boot camp. If I were you i'd just train natural...get your diet on lock....be able to run 6 miles strait without stopping.....and at least 2 miles between 12-14 minutes.....be able to carry 60lbs on your back and walk for 12 miles in boots....be able to do 85 push-ups in 2 minutes, and 86 sit-ups in 2 minutes. Honestly man....figure out your natural physical limitations before going back to Boot Camp...and how to be mentally tough enough to push past them.......i think thats the whole point of going to Boot Camp bro...don't cheat yourself out of that experience. Save that lil cycle for later.....and use it while your fighting "Hodgie" in the sandbox!

 

[perryscoon]

Former Marine here as well.

When I went to Parris Island I was a skinny little runt and I made it though the first try, so big muscles are not required down there. I'm not even sure they will help much since mostly its an endurance, mental, and pain threshold test. The only things you'll do that require strength are carrying a heavy pack for hours and the obstacle course.

But, I don't see how it couldn't hurt if you just want a confidence boost. As long as you are recovered and your natty hormones have balanced out again it shouldn't be a problem. The last thing you want is to have PC depression down there.

Good Luck!

 

[markmark]

why bother? at that age all you need is a good diet and plenty of rest. keep your vitamins and bcaa and nothing more.. I said it here before "once you us aas you will never be the same" . I started gear in my late 20s and now on permanently at age 40.

 

[levi8599]

needing big muscles is the last thing you need for boot camp. I went in weighing 145 and had a 285 pft. i came out wieghing 155. honestly bro i dont think the juice is necessary one bit for boot camp.

 

[gjohnson5]

It's not necessary...
Hell calories aren't necessary either since you'll be working out in a calorie deficit for what 17 weeks. Not sure how long it is in th Marines, but it optional. He should be ok

 

[hehateme000]

It's not necessary...
Hell calories aren't necessary either since you'll be working out in a calorie deficit for what 17 weeks. Not sure how long it is in th Marines, but it optional. He should be ok

Thx for all the replies, i mainly wanted it as a confidence boost too just to get a little stronger in the areas of my PFT score. It sounds like its pretty safe even if i dodecide to do it, but i might not and just train natty and get a good clean diet. But if i cant get that 300 PFT score by the time its gettin close to goin back in the service, ill probably do it

 

[derfmonster]

whats your mos going to be?

 

[csobel]

Don't mean to come across as a dick, but tons of people make it through spec. ops. selection each year without the sauce. We're talking pretty extreme pt and calorie depletion above and beyond boot camp wheather it be BRC, Pararescue Indoc, BUDS, SFAS, etc. Not sure what you want to do... get leaner and faster (better idea) or just get jacked before going (prob. not so good idea since it'll be gone pretty soon)?

 

[hehateme000]

Infantry is my MOS derf. ANd csobel i am just trying to get my PFT score up before i go back to bootcamp again so i can have a 300 PT score. I am going to be running a lot before i go there (want to be able to run 6 miles without stopping, but not sprinting it either). SO i want my abs and back to get stronger. I dont think 300mg of test kickstarted is gonna get me JACKED, but rather give me enough strength increase for me to get to my goals..

 

[hehateme000]

One more question......if i know im only going to be doing 2 cycles within the next 4 years while in the military should i bump the test to 500 and get better gains or will 300mg test with dbol kickstarted first 4 weeks still make me grow like a weed?

 

[csobel]

I think the lower dose test is a better idea, especially for the corps pft. Mostly it'll decrease your recovery time, so you can train harder for the 3 mile, as well as slightly boosting your RBC count. Pullups should improve also due to more strength, but situps prob. won't be impacted much. The longer distance running will come with basic repetition and slowly increasing distance each week... not so much anything to do with the test. I think running a higher dose would add mass that will be detrimental to all the events in the PFT. Just my 2c

 

[gjohnson5]

Another Infantry guy here...
I'm not sure how it is in the marines , but Infantry in the Army doesn't weed out people. It's not until you go to Ranger School that you that people get hit hard with pt/calorie and sleep deprivation. Our platoon runs are like 6-8 minute miles , so they aren't that hard. In fact I think a 12:00 minute 2 mile would max out run in the Marines for any age, but I'd need to check that. I definitely does in the Army. You don't have to be a marathon runner. The main thing is carrying ruck sack 240 or 249 if your machine gunner or m16 for everyone else and your body armor. Like the one guy said , all together in basic it's only 60lb's unless you have to carry a machine gun. Well you might have to carry a radio that might way 20lb or so. You'll have to hump that at fast pace while keeping your head up (yes you need to watch out for snipers from windows and rooftops and shit while staying in formation) Don't fall out of formation either. That's the big thing. I agree with most everyone that you don't need the cycle at all. But I don't see how it would hurt either. I would keep the dosages lower cause you're not gonna be able to juice in basic....

Infantry is my MOS derf. ANd csobel i am just trying to get my PFT score up before i go back to bootcamp again so i can have a 300 PT score. I am going to be running a lot before i go there (want to be able to run 6 miles without stopping, but not sprinting it either). SO i want my abs and back to get stronger. I dont think 300mg of test kickstarted is gonna get me JACKED, but rather give me enough strength increase for me to get to my goals..

 

[zbo35]

First off, being a Marine myself i can offer a few opinions for ya. Not trying to be a dick, but if you think you need to use steroids to have a pft good enough to get into recon, you DO NOT belong there to begin with. Forgetting the fact that using at your age is foolish for more reasons than can be listed, one or 2 cycles is not going to get you into recon, or benefit you in the long run. The LAST thing you need is to risk being not fully recovered going into boot camp. You need to train naturally to get where you want to go. You need to be strong mentally and physically ON YOUR OWN naturally, just to get thru boot, much less into recon. Besides, you are going to want to run more than anything else. I wish you the best of luck and really hope you rethink this whole thing.

 

[derfmonster]

+1 zbo. if your gonna be a grunt taking gear is a total waste of time. i know i did 13 years as an 03. your gonna be in the field alot. training. And then traing some more. so you may get to the gym mabey 6 times a months. Then you'll get to goto the sandbox and kick in doors and run convoys for days at a time. So unless you switch to a POG then ur really not gonna get alot of time hitting the iron.

 

[perryscoon]

+1 zbo. if your gonna be a grunt taking gear is a total waste of time. i know i did 13 years as an 03. your gonna be in the field alot. training. And then traing some more. so you may get to the gym mabey 6 times a months. Then you'll get to goto the sandbox and kick in doors and run convoys for days at a time. So unless you switch to a POG then ur really not gonna get alot of time hitting the iron.

In case you don't know, a POG is a desk job. hehe

He is so right. I was a 2531 (field radio operator) and I was always out in the field setting up comm or driving some brass around in a hummer.

The biggest guys in my battalion seemed to be the cooks and the supply guys. They hardly ever PT'd and could hit the weights more. Amphibious Reconnaissance was right across the street so I saw those guys every day. Oddly enough they aren't bug muscle heads. They look like more like Olympic swimmers. No body fat and huge pecs with small but ripped arms.

 

[hehateme000]

damn alright so maybe just this one low dose test cycle before bootcamp so i can be fully recovered (i cant go back in for another year because i might get a felony--so ill have to get it expunged). I have plenty of time to train naturally and i could also squeeze in a low dose test cycle for my pullups and pushups. Im gonna be runnin my ass off too so ill be in shape. i appreciate all the replies, and if i do decide to do this cycle ill be plenty recovered by the time i enter the Corps again, which would be in a year at the least. I am mainly just wanting as much strength goin into bootcamp knowing ill lose a lot when im in there, but also gettin in better shape.

 

[hehateme000]

In case you don't know, a POG is a desk job. hehe

He is so right. I was a 2531 (field radio operator) and I was always out in the field setting up comm or driving some brass around in a hummer.

The biggest guys in my battalion seemed to be the cooks and the supply guys. They hardly ever PT'd and could hit the weights more. Amphibious Reconnaissance was right across the street so I saw those guys every day. Oddly enough they aren't bug muscle heads. They look like more like Olympic swimmers. No body fat and huge pecs with small but ripped arms.

POG? Haha, fuck that.

Im not tryin to be a big muscle head though, i just want to get as strong as i can before i go to bootcamp, then from there train as a marine by getting cut up and in great shape. Im not lookin to be huge in the marines, since runing is so important. My goal is to be able to sprint for miles, not bench press the world, however i know im going to lose a lot of strength in bootcamp so i wanted to get as strong as i could before i went there. I hope that makes sense

 

[perryscoon]

POG? Haha, fuck that.

Im not tryin to be a big muscle head though, i just want to get as strong as i can before i go to bootcamp, then from there train as a marine by getting cut up and in great shape. Im not lookin to be huge in the marines, since runing is so important. My goal is to be able to sprint for miles, not bench press the world, however i know im going to lose a lot of strength in bootcamp so i wanted to get as strong as i could before i went there. I hope that makes sense

Yep, thats makes sense. Don't get the wrong idea though. There are tons of huge gear heads in the Marines, especially if you get stationed out west where you can drive to Mexico in 45 min. I've seen entire companies on gear(not kidding).

 

[hehateme000]

Yep, thats makes sense. Don't get the wrong idea though. There are tons of huge gear heads in the Marines, especially if you get stationed out west where you can drive to Mexico in 45 min. I've seen entire companies on gear(not kidding).

I was justdown in MCRD, San Diego. A whole fuckin company? Damn thats fuckin 300 people straight shootin up haha. I was in Golf Company, horrible company in my opinion. Im tryin to get Mike or Alpha company...a lot more physical which is what i want

 

[zbo35]

I sill come back to the point that even leaving boot camp out of this, you shouldn't cycle anything at your age. This is not being condescending. It's just that your own natural hormones are going to be high anyway until around 25 when they start declining. You should fully be able to reach your goals naturally at this point. Why run the risk of knocking your own natural test levels down if you don't recover to their previous point, which they may not. You will be better off in the future when you do cycle anything.

 

[cobracock1979]

+1 --you cannot say you will not cycle again--life is funny--it has a plan and has not consulted you so you never know where you will be is a year much less 20 (your recent events prove this). dont make a decision at 20 b/v you know what will haoppen when you are 40----better lucl with the lottery than predicting the future

+1 - See "Buttefly Effect"

 

[housemusik83]

why do you need a cycle to go back to boot camp? i see no sence in that, i just got out Marines 4 years in infantry 3 combat tours.... You will loose 90% of your gains, your wasting your money and sweat, boot camp you are lucky if you eat 3 FULL meals, 10 secs to eat i dont consider that a full meal, you run way too much to retain any muscle mass, you will come back lean trust me thats the way they want you thats the way you will be... just save the gear for after boot camp bro than you do what you want....

 

[levi8599]

damn alright so maybe just this one low dose test cycle before bootcamp so i can be fully recovered (i cant go back in for another year because i might get a felony--so ill have to get it expunged). I have plenty of time to train naturally and i could also squeeze in a low dose test cycle for my pullups and pushups. Im gonna be runnin my ass off too so ill be in shape. i appreciate all the replies, and if i do decide to do this cycle ill be plenty recovered by the time i enter the Corps again, which would be in a year at the least. I am mainly just wanting as much strength goin into bootcamp knowing ill lose a lot when im in there, but also gettin in better shape.

why are you so worried about pushups? you dont even have to do them for a pft.

 

[searay]

ex-marine and there are numerous reasons you stay off gear.
1) your to young and that should be it period.
2) bootcamp is about endurance not strenth gear will only slow you down especially test. how you gonna like those back pumps when your a mile into the run and you have to stop to lay down and get your back to relax ???
3) what if your pct doesn't go as planned which happens more often than not which is why people always go back on. you could be in bootcamp with suppresed test levels, no energy, no motivation and be lucky to make it through.
running a cycle before bootcamp is just asking for trouble and theres a real high percentage that is exactly what will happen. so you say you now have a year. guess what, youll run a cycle with plenty of time to recover and then find yourself back on thinking well ive still got plenty of time and then its been a year of being mostly on and your fucked. having longer before bootcamp is actually worse. AND THERE IS NO SUCH THING AS RUNNING 2 CYCLES YOUR ENTIRE LIFE. that is the most retarded thing i have ever heard. sorry to be such a dick but it is what it is. bottom line is you should wait until you have 4-5 yrs of continuous training which you won't have the time for being a grunt. and no younger than 25. it doesnt matter how many different ways you ask if you should do it the majority of thes board will continue to say NO. the minority are the ones who started to early and want some company to feel ok with what theve done evn though they wished they would have waited. just my 2 ccs...............

 

[Dominator Human]

Bro,....to be honest....I wouldn't cycle a damn thing before going to boot camp. If I were you i'd just train natural...get your diet on lock....be able to run 6 miles strait without stopping.....and at least 2 miles between 12-14 minutes.....be able to carry 60lbs on your back and walk for 12 miles in boots....be able to do 85 push-ups in 2 minutes, and 86 sit-ups in 2 minutes. Honestly man....figure out your natural physical limitations before going back to Boot Camp...and how to be mentally tough enough to push past them.......i think thats the whole point of going to Boot Camp bro...don't cheat yourself out of that experience. Save that lil cycle for later.....and use it while your fighting "Hodgie" in the sandbox!

I'm out of the Marines now, but when I went into bootcamp I was 210lbs and pretty lean. At 6ft I was put on a restricted diet and at graduation I was 190lbs.

You are going to loose a lot of your size and strength at boot camp. Trust me.

 

[02gixxersix]

Bro,....to be honest....I wouldn't cycle a damn thing before going to boot camp. If I were you i'd just train natural...get your diet on lock....be able to run 6 miles strait without stopping.....and at least 2 miles between 12-14 minutes.....be able to carry 60lbs on your back and walk for 12 miles in boots....be able to do 85 push-ups in 2 minutes, and 86 sit-ups in 2 minutes. Honestly man....figure out your natural physical limitations before going back to Boot Camp...and how to be mentally tough enough to push past them.......i think thats the whole point of going to Boot Camp bro...don't cheat yourself out of that experience. Save that lil cycle for later.....and use it while your fighting "Hodgie" in the sandbox!

Agreed. I'm not a Marine I'm Air Force, and even our 6 week BMT was enough to make me lose 26 lbs. There is no point in getting big before basic. You're just going to lose it. The physical aspect of basic training is all about endurance.

 

[Jammin!]

I myself was a sgt in the marine corp. A cycle before boot camp is a horrible idea. For one you are going to loose all of your gains. They do not feed you enogh to put on muscle. You should use this time to cleanse your body, graduate bootcamp lift heavy naturally for a year. Then if you want to cycle go for it. SEMPER FIDELIS from the good SGT. BOOT!!!

 

[hehateme000]

haha damn thx for all the replies...but if im 185 now and i get to 200....ill get back to 180 or something but mostly muscle barely any fat. if i go in at 185 ill go down to like 170 all muscle barely any fat right? i can understand the stregth not being an issue in bootcamp but what if instead i did a cycle of test, eq, and anavar....

 

[02gixxersix]

haha damn thx for all the replies...but if im 185 now and i get to 200....ill get back to 180 or something but mostly muscle barely any fat. if i go in at 185 ill go down to like 170 all muscle barely any fat right? i can understand the stregth not being an issue in bootcamp but what if instead i did a cycle of test, eq, and anavar....

It doesn't work like that bro. Your body is going to hold onto as much muscle as it can on the amount of calories you're getting and work you are doing. Not to mention the fact that you are too young anyway. Trust me you will be worse off in boot camp being really big. Trim up and get in good cardiovascular shape and you will be way ahead of the game.

 

[timtim]

haha damn thx for all the replies...but if im 185 now and i get to 200....ill get back to 180 or something but mostly muscle barely any fat. if i go in at 185 ill go down to like 170 all muscle barely any fat right? i can understand the stregth not being an issue in bootcamp but what if instead i did a cycle of test, eq, and anavar....

this makes no sense and wreaks of inexperience. aas are not magic. if you cant eat your body will shed all the muscle it can regardless of if you go in at 200 or 220. and if your holding 200 and its hard to hold, you'll drop it that much quicker which will fuck with your psyche even more.

biggest issue is if, by chance, your pct is off and your recovery is slow you will be in trouble. alot of trouble. not worth it now. good luck with your decision.

 

[gjohnson5]

The PCT issue is not an issue at all as far as I can see. The number of guys who have made Army or Marine basic training with naturally low test is alot higher then you think. Not to mention the lack of calories during basic training (army or marine) will drop your natty testosterone production anyway. The diet @ basic was pretty high carb (and thus lacking in fats used to create hormones)


Seems to be a non issue

 

[SpyWizard]

SO i went into bootcamp, and got taken out because i ha to serve a warrant i got back in napa while i was training. So i have time to take a cycle before i go back into the Corps, and i wanted to finalize my first cycle.

Week 1-10 = Test 300mg EW
week 1-4 = Dbol 35mgED
week 3-10 = HCG 250iu 2x EW
week 12-15 = Derma Sustain
week 12-15 = Endo-amp
week 12-19 = Toco-8
week 12-15 = VIGOR
week 12-19 = UNLEASHED
week 12-19 = Post Cycle

With a clean healthy big diet, multi-vitamins, lot of water and some BCAA's.

Nolva on hand in case i see gyno.

1) DO you think i need A-dex or aromasin? because of test @300mg/10 weeks

I'd run deca myself, would heal those joints and tendons.. with test that is..

 

[ChefWide]

one EPO run at 4k/day for 10 days with RBC/Hemo blood work done before for certain, be sure the cycle finishes at least three weeks prior to hittin' the OCS OC, AM Dbol at no more than 15 and plenty of fish oil, 9-12gms/day to get your blood nice and thin.

Drop the fish oil before going downrange, at least a couple weeks out, we want exit wounds to close.. right?

Do Recon-Ron for your pullup pt starting NOW and never give it up, do two days/week 100-400 meter repeats and two days per week of 2k-5k-10k rotations and hit your Crossfit WOD three days on one day off.

without a doubt, go on the 'hard routine'... but you know that already.