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gymratforlife
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You have no business going near any kind of aas at your age.Stay away and lear about your body,training and foods to eat and wait a few years before you really fuck your self up.shnoz189 said:
wnt2bBeast
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Gymratforlife said:
yep..
CrazyK
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That's not true, it's completely individual. Not everyone is YOU, different people started training and dieting at different ages. I started going to the gym and lifting with my dad when I was 10. By the time I was 19 I had more diet and training experience than most "guru" steroid users on this board, and had also stopped growing in height. So seriously, drop this self ritcheous bullshit and anwser the fucking question!Gymratforlife said:
wnt2bBeast
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CrazyK said:
hes not being self righteous bro..at 19 your natty test production is running high if you cant make gains now you most likely are on the wrong diet/training program and adding gear would be a waste in that situation
Tux
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Did any of you guys who bashed him for being too young even notice that you're too late? He said this would be his SECOND cycle... he's already done one, it's too late to tell him to wait. I agree that most guys at 19 probably aren't experienced enough for gear, but how can you judge everyone by your own flawed standards? Even if he is too young, and doesn't know what he's doing, he'll probably do it anyway. The least you could do is try to point him in the right direction instead of just insulting him. That being said, cutting is mostly about diet/cardio. Cardio in the am on an empty stomach, high protein, lower carbs. Almost anything will help you maintain muscle while you cut, but popular choices are things like test prop, eq, winny, fina. Personally I like EQ/winny to cut with, most will tell you to add at least a maintenance amount of test to any cycle, but that's not required. Do more research on cutting cycles, formulate an idea of what you want to do, then check back for some feedback on it bro. I'm trying to follow my own sermon and not just insult you, but if you don't even have an idea of what you want to do for a cutting cycle you probably need to step back and research for a while before you consider starting another cycle. Oh, and make sure you know what PCT is 
wnt2bBeast
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Tux said:Did any of you guys who bashed him for being too young even notice that you're too late? He said this would be his SECOND cycle... he's already done one, it's too late to tell him to wait. I agree that most guys at 19 probably aren't experienced enough for gear, but how can you judge everyone by your own flawed standards? Even if he is too young, and doesn't know what he's doing, he'll probably do it anyway. The least you could do is try to point him in the right direction instead of just insulting him. That being said, cutting is mostly about diet/cardio. Cardio in the am on an empty stomach, high protein, lower carbs. Almost anything will help you maintain muscle while you cut, but popular choices are things like test prop, eq, winny, fina. Personally I like EQ/winny to cut with, most will tell you to add at least a maintenance amount of test to any cycle, but that's not required. Do more research on cutting cycles, formulate an idea of what you want to do, then check back for some feedback on it bro. I'm trying to follow my own sermon and not just insult you, but if you don't even have an idea of what you want to do for a cutting cycle you probably need to step back and research for a while before you consider starting another cycle. Oh, and make sure you know what PCT is
yes and i dont think anyone bashed him..gym simply stated fact..and just because hes done a cycle already doesnt make it right to continue..ultimately the choice is his
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UA_Iron
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the one in which your diet is perfectly dialed in.
gymratforlife
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You cant be serious.I am also runing a 2.5 grams of gear per week at the moment.Do you think thats self righteous?because I sure dont.Fuck self righteous,I dont give a flying fuck if you were training since you were 2 and weighed 315 at 4% bf by the time you were 9.At 19 yrs old your growth plates have not closed and you can keep growing height wise,also your natty test is at an all time high why the hell do you think when you were 19 you had constant hard ons and wanted to fuck everything with a pulse.I am not even going to bash you on you about this stupid ass post.Please just keep your stupidity to yourself and dont give KIDS this kind off lame ass advise.CrazyK said:
CrazyK
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You're a fucking idiot. If you'd been training for as long as I had at 19, you'd know that, but you hadn't. By the way, growth plates do close by age 19, it's purely individual, if you don't realize that than you should do some more research yourself before doing another cycle again. Newb.Gymratforlife said:
Tux
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Gymrat... damn dude drop the doses, lol, sounds like a bit of "roid rage" to me. And bro, you're still wrong on some points. I was done growing when I was 16. My dad's an MD and I got tested every year... growth plates closed on me at 5'5" when I was 16. If someone has been training for 9 years, and made excellent gains, knows their diet and training well, and doesn't want to wait another 15 years for the last 10-15lbs of their "genetic potential", then why the hell can't they juice? Just b/c a guy is 19 and has the highest test levels he'll naturally ever have does NOT mean his test levels are above normal, or high enough to make him grow much more. If a guy is 19 and has test levels of 700... that's in the upper range, but it sure as hell isn't gonna make him grow like he would on 500/week of test, which puts him in the 2000+ range. I agree, not everyone should start gear that young, but to arbitrarily state that any one age is "too young" for gear is just ridiculous, there's no possible way to back it up. This guy perhaps IS too young by virtue of lack of knowledge, but if he had the knowledge, the experience, the sound judgement, and hadn't gained anything in a year, would he still be too young? I say no. But, this is a discussion board, and the internet, we're all entitled to our own opinions, I just think yours is a bit restrictive
look i train 5 days a week for 2 hours each day and have been doing this for the past 2 years. i know my shit i was just seeing if anyone had any better suggestions that may help me out with the cycle i am thinking about taking. i know what i am doing, and was just looking for a litlte help
wnt2bBeast
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What appears below was developed by a number of our good friends at www.anabolicfitness.com the link is http://www.anabolicfitness.net/library/age.htm
Veteran Consensus Statement on the age of initiation of Anabolic use.
Anabolic steroids promote strength gain, muscle synthesis, and increased metabolic capacity. Their responsible, moderate use improves athletic performance, cosmetic appearance, and perceived social opportunity and self-esteem. However, anabolics achieve their effects by perturbing the human endocrine system, a complex feedback mechanism of glands and organs that are, in healthy and youthful persons, in an exquisite state of natural balance. Compounds like anabolic steroids that alter this balance are appropriate for use only by mature, well-trained athletes who understand these drugs, their risks and their benefits. Except in the case of prospective users of clear promise for national or international ranking in a sport, realistically hopeful for the kinds of benefits such ranking confers, the following should be characteristic of anyone, of any age, prior to the addition of anabolic steroids to a training regime:
1. PHYSICAL MATURITY. Anabolics can, through either direct or indirect effects, cause premature closure of the epiphyseal plates (growth plates) at the end of bone, an irreversible effect that may result in permanently shorter stature than the athlete would otherwise achieve. Therefore, the athlete should have reached full physical stature and maturity of the skeleton before contemplating anabolic use. In most cases, full stature is not reached until the very late teens and, in many cases, development of both long skeletal bones and joint assemblies (hips and shoulders) continues into the early 20's, development of the larynx (voicebox) into the mid-20’s.
2. SIGNIFICANT MATURE MUSCULARITY. Anabolics have poor effect, or transitory effect, on athletes in mediocre condition; in addition, their tendency to boost muscle strength ahead of the strength of supporting tendons and ligaments can lead to debilitating injury in athletes without substantial prior training. Therefore, the athlete should have accumulated a significant amount of mature muscle mass and tendon strength through a dedicated program of resistance training prior to beginning anabolic use. Recognizing that there is substantial individual variability in training efficiency and effects, a minimum of 3 years, perhaps as many as 7, of dedicated weight training is required to achieve this necessary physical foundation, on which anabolics can be used safely and to best effect.
3. THOROUGH KNOWLEDGE. Anabolics are not a substitute for proper technique or applied knowledge of the basics of exercise physiology. Therefore, the athlete considering the use of anabolics should have a very thorough and detailed knowledge of lifting technique, dietary practice, recuperative processes, and hormonal and nonhormonal supplementation, and should if possible prepare for the use of anabolics under the guidance of a trusted mentor who has mastered these issues. In particular, the athlete should have an excellent understanding of the uses, effects, and risk profiles of anabolics, and should be thoroughly conversant with the kinds of ancillary agents that minimize side-effects and speed post-cycle recovery. Recognizing that there is substantial individual variability in the pace at which this knowledge is acquired, at least a year of arduous study and reading is necessary to understand anabolics and post-cycle recovery, and at least 4 years of practice is required to establish the requisite knowledge base of lifting technique, recuperation, and diet.
4. PSYCHOLOGICAL MATURITY. Anabolic steroids can have marked effect on mood and disposition, either during the cycle of active use, or its aftermath. Therefore, the athlete considering the use of anabolics should have the psychological health and maturity that will enable him or her to use anabolics with minimal social, psychological, and legal risk to both him/herself and his/her network of partners and collaborators. In addition, the athlete should be firm enough in purpose and balanced enough in approach to understand not only how and when to initiate use of anabolics, but how and when to curtail or abandon use safely should that need arise.
The use of anabolic steroids is unwise for persons who have not satisfied these prerequisites, though exceptions may be made in cases of very unusual athletic promise. While not a function of mere calendar age per se, it is unarguable that, on average, the likelihood that these conditions will have been met increases as the age of the prospective anabolic user increases.
For the reasons adduced above, the following statement of consensus opinion is made:
Allowing for substantial individual variability, and with the exception of cases of truly outstanding athletic promise, the athlete considering the use of anabolics should be socially and physically mature, psychologically healthy, and should have completed 4 to 7 years of dedicated, mentored training in strength/endurance athletics and study in lifting technique, dietary practices, recuperation skills and supplementation. In most cases, the athlete will have reached the age of 21 before these prerequisites are in place, recognizing that many athletes will not have achieved the necessary experience, physical maturity, and psychic balance until their mid-20's or even later
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Veteran Consensus Statement on the age of initiation of Anabolic use.
Anabolic steroids promote strength gain, muscle synthesis, and increased metabolic capacity. Their responsible, moderate use improves athletic performance, cosmetic appearance, and perceived social opportunity and self-esteem. However, anabolics achieve their effects by perturbing the human endocrine system, a complex feedback mechanism of glands and organs that are, in healthy and youthful persons, in an exquisite state of natural balance. Compounds like anabolic steroids that alter this balance are appropriate for use only by mature, well-trained athletes who understand these drugs, their risks and their benefits. Except in the case of prospective users of clear promise for national or international ranking in a sport, realistically hopeful for the kinds of benefits such ranking confers, the following should be characteristic of anyone, of any age, prior to the addition of anabolic steroids to a training regime:
1. PHYSICAL MATURITY. Anabolics can, through either direct or indirect effects, cause premature closure of the epiphyseal plates (growth plates) at the end of bone, an irreversible effect that may result in permanently shorter stature than the athlete would otherwise achieve. Therefore, the athlete should have reached full physical stature and maturity of the skeleton before contemplating anabolic use. In most cases, full stature is not reached until the very late teens and, in many cases, development of both long skeletal bones and joint assemblies (hips and shoulders) continues into the early 20's, development of the larynx (voicebox) into the mid-20’s.
2. SIGNIFICANT MATURE MUSCULARITY. Anabolics have poor effect, or transitory effect, on athletes in mediocre condition; in addition, their tendency to boost muscle strength ahead of the strength of supporting tendons and ligaments can lead to debilitating injury in athletes without substantial prior training. Therefore, the athlete should have accumulated a significant amount of mature muscle mass and tendon strength through a dedicated program of resistance training prior to beginning anabolic use. Recognizing that there is substantial individual variability in training efficiency and effects, a minimum of 3 years, perhaps as many as 7, of dedicated weight training is required to achieve this necessary physical foundation, on which anabolics can be used safely and to best effect.
3. THOROUGH KNOWLEDGE. Anabolics are not a substitute for proper technique or applied knowledge of the basics of exercise physiology. Therefore, the athlete considering the use of anabolics should have a very thorough and detailed knowledge of lifting technique, dietary practice, recuperative processes, and hormonal and nonhormonal supplementation, and should if possible prepare for the use of anabolics under the guidance of a trusted mentor who has mastered these issues. In particular, the athlete should have an excellent understanding of the uses, effects, and risk profiles of anabolics, and should be thoroughly conversant with the kinds of ancillary agents that minimize side-effects and speed post-cycle recovery. Recognizing that there is substantial individual variability in the pace at which this knowledge is acquired, at least a year of arduous study and reading is necessary to understand anabolics and post-cycle recovery, and at least 4 years of practice is required to establish the requisite knowledge base of lifting technique, recuperation, and diet.
4. PSYCHOLOGICAL MATURITY. Anabolic steroids can have marked effect on mood and disposition, either during the cycle of active use, or its aftermath. Therefore, the athlete considering the use of anabolics should have the psychological health and maturity that will enable him or her to use anabolics with minimal social, psychological, and legal risk to both him/herself and his/her network of partners and collaborators. In addition, the athlete should be firm enough in purpose and balanced enough in approach to understand not only how and when to initiate use of anabolics, but how and when to curtail or abandon use safely should that need arise.
The use of anabolic steroids is unwise for persons who have not satisfied these prerequisites, though exceptions may be made in cases of very unusual athletic promise. While not a function of mere calendar age per se, it is unarguable that, on average, the likelihood that these conditions will have been met increases as the age of the prospective anabolic user increases.
For the reasons adduced above, the following statement of consensus opinion is made:
Allowing for substantial individual variability, and with the exception of cases of truly outstanding athletic promise, the athlete considering the use of anabolics should be socially and physically mature, psychologically healthy, and should have completed 4 to 7 years of dedicated, mentored training in strength/endurance athletics and study in lifting technique, dietary practices, recuperation skills and supplementation. In most cases, the athlete will have reached the age of 21 before these prerequisites are in place, recognizing that many athletes will not have achieved the necessary experience, physical maturity, and psychic balance until their mid-20's or even later
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Gastroc O'Jenkins
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I'm totally against AAS before early 20's.
Whether you've cycled or not before doesn't mean you should do it again.
The only thing I would recommend is clenbuterol or albuterol, diet, and cardio. Most of us would kill to have your natural test levels, bro.. make the most of your age and save the gear for down the road.
Whether you've cycled or not before doesn't mean you should do it again.
The only thing I would recommend is clenbuterol or albuterol, diet, and cardio. Most of us would kill to have your natural test levels, bro.. make the most of your age and save the gear for down the road.
CrazyK
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Uhhhh...Because I didn't take AAS for another 3 years, and doctors had told me at age 16 that my growth plates were closed????JIMguy said:
Your Doctoor is a Quack if he said that.
I'm getting sick & tired of your flamming comments, keep it up and i will shut you up good for a few days!
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gymratforlife
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LOLOLOLOL I dont even know were to begin.I am going to drop it here because I am not worthy of the king mkay.CrazyK said:
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