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Hexahydrobenzylcarbonate

Hexahydrobenzylcarbonate

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1-12
Test Cyp, 1200mg
Deca, 800mg
5-12
Tren Hex, 700mg

GH, 5iu ed
Insulin, 20 iu/ed - 4 weeks on/off
IGF-1, 100mcg/eod - 6 weeks on, 4 weeks off

Aromasin, 25mg/day
Prami, .25mg/day
Nolva, 20mg/day - if needed

Age, 32
Height, 5-10
Weigght, 250

Off season bulk, looking to keep it simple. What do you think?
 
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If that's simple I'd love to see what a complex cycle is for you bossman
 
I know nothing about insulin or gh but the other doses dont look outrageous for someone your size..

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bonacris said:
I know nothing about insulin or gh but the other doses dont look outrageous for someone your size..

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Pretty standard dosage in my opinion. I have ran more, much more in fact. But think bulking is more about diet. Again, just looking for other peoples opinions. Thanks
 
Hexahydrobenzylcarbonate said:
So basically you have nothing to say that pertains to what I asked. Thanks
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No, basically you're looking for an answer that doesn't exist.

If I told you using super plasma serum will increase IGF-1 but not nearly to the level you can obtain by taking it directly, THAT is an alternative. Would you do that instead?

If I told you that you shouldn't do slin and using simple sugars after a workout will increase insulin levels, would you listen?

If I told you those dosages were higher than what pros use, would you believe me?

If I said you can make better progress with better training and a better diet and certain supplements, would it matter?

I think you're just looking for confirmation for what you already decided on. Sorry, I don't do that.
 
Nelson Montana said:
No, basically you're looking for an answer that doesn't exist.

If I told you using super plasma serum will increase IGF-1 but not nearly to the level you can obtain by taking it directly, THAT is an alternative. Would you do that instead?

If I told you that you shouldn't do slin and using simple sugars after a workout will increase insulin levels, would you listen?

If I told you those dosages were higher than what pros use, would you believe me?

If I said you can make better progress with better training and a better diet and certain supplements, would it matter?

I think you're just looking for confirmation for what you already decided on. Sorry, I don't do that.
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1. No

2. Not even close to the same results.

3. No, I know what the pros run.

4. My diet and training are close to flawless, so no.

5. So what was the point of you commenting on this thread? I am looking for other peoples opinions, not someone looking to troll. Maybe I came to the wrong forum.
 
If that's your cycle the roll with it....why does every thread have to be a f-ing pissing match?
 
EZ_E said:
If that's your cycle the roll with it....why does every thread have to be a f-ing pissing match?
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This is the cycle I plan to run, but am looking for other peoples thoughts, ideas, and input; not snide remarks from someone who just wants to troll the thread and say nothing relevant.
 
Hexahydrobenzylcarbonate said:
This is the cycle I plan to run, but am looking for other peoples thoughts, ideas, and input; not snide remarks from someone who just wants to troll the thread and say nothing relevant.
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Nobody's trolling anything, if you're competing and this is the cycle that gets you where you want to be then roll with it
 
Hexahydrobenzylcarbonate said:
This is the cycle I plan to run, but am looking for other peoples thoughts, ideas, and input; not snide remarks from someone who just wants to troll the thread and say nothing relevant.
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You have 5 posts and a senior member is trolling because he's telling you what you don't want to hear? Keep it up pal, you'll be gone before long. Not trying to be a dick, but bullshit bravado attitude doesn't fly on this board.
 
Nelson Montana said:
You have 5 posts and a senior member is trolling because he's telling you what you don't want to hear? Keep it up pal, you'll be gone before long. Not trying to be a dick, but bullshit bravado attitude doesn't fly on this board.
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You have said nothing relevant to my post, all you have done is made snide remarks like you have a vendetta against what I plan to do. And now you come back with a post like this, that again, does not pertain to anything, but instead, threatens me. Good call on that one.
 
bonacris said:
Old school vs new school
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That was pretty acute.

Nelson Montana knows that back in the days bodybuilders builded their physiques with low doses of Dbol and busting their asses in the gym, that's why every time that one guy comes here to show a monstrous cycle it ends on a conflict.

Wonder why these days bodybuilders have these nasty GH guts.

Best example of this: Bostin Loyd.

I even believe that a monocycle of Test E @ 500 mg a week counts as an abuse of roids for old bodybuilders.
 
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Lou Super Man 123 said:
That was pretty acute.

Nelson Montana knows that back in the days bodybuilders builded their physiques with low doses of Dbol and busting their asses in the gym, that's why every time that one guy comes here to show a monstrous cycle it ends on a conflict.

Wonder why these days bodybuilders have these nasty GH guts.

Best example of this: Bostin Loyd.

I even believe that a monocycle of Test E @ 500 mg a week counts as an abuse of roids for old bodybuilders.
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Dbol will only get you so far.. this guy is 250lbs. Nelson mightnt like the way bodybuilding has gone but this is what has happened..

I love frank zanes physique but admire the BB'ers of today.. its a matter of preference



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Lou Super Man 123 said:
That was pretty acute.

Nelson Montana knows that back in the days bodybuilders builded their physiques with low doses of Dbol and busting their asses in the gym, that's why every time that one guy comes here to show a monstrous cycle it ends on a conflict.

Wonder why these days bodybuilders have these nasty GH guts.

Best example of this: Bostin Loyd.

I even believe that a monocycle of Test E @ 500 mg a week counts as an abuse of roids for old bodybuilders.
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Are you serious? This is so absurd that you can't be serious..
 
This has nothing to do with what I like or what I want. If it's a pissing match it isn't because of a difference of opinion. It's because some kid who doesn't hear what he wants to hear takes an attitude. Or he thinks that since I've been at this before he was born, I'm just nostalgic for the old days.

Yeah, I think the dosages are crazy but as I mentioned in the first post, it's his call.

My main point is that the OP wasn't really asking anything relevant. He's doing a bunch of stuff and wants input. What kind of input? What does he really expect someone to say? IT'S BRILLIANT! Or... no, no don't do 800 mgs of Deca. Do 900 and 650 of Tren. mgs. What the fuck. It's just a purely bullshit post.

Nobody has to listen to my advice. But I have to find it funny when people claim bullshit to what i know is right.

I've also been on this board long enough to know all too many wise asses who thought they knew everything come and go, most give up, many wind up looking like shit, some are in jail and far too many winding up dead. But hey, maybe I'm out of touch.
 
Nelson Montana said:
This has nothing to do with what I like or what I want. If it's a pissing match it isn't because of a difference of opinion. It's because some kid who doesn't hear what he wants to hear takes an attitude. Or he thinks that since I've been at this before he was born, I'm just nostalgic for the old days.

Yeah, I think the dosages are crazy but as I mentioned in the first post, it's his call.

My main point is that the OP wasn't really asking anything relevant. He's doing a bunch of stuff and wants input. What kind of input? What does he really expect someone to say? IT'S BRILLIANT! Or... no, no don't do 800 mgs of Deca. Do 900 and 650 of Tren. mgs. What the fuck. It's just a purely bullshit post.

Nobody has to listen to my advice. But I have to find it funny when people claim bullshit to what i know is right.

I've also been on this board long enough to know all too many wise asses who thought they knew everything come and go, most give up, many wind up looking like shit, some are in jail and far too many winding up dead. But hey, maybe I'm out of touch.
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Thanks for all of your assumptions. I apologize, I didn't know I was talking to the man who knew everything.

I don't really get what you are trying to say. I am doing a bunch of stuff and want input? Well no shit. That's kind of why I started a thread asking for other peoples opinions. You think the dosages are crazy? For who, you? Maybe. Me? Not so much. But you know it all, so again, I apologize. I don't really see how this is a bullshit post. If it is, then I guess every post on this site is, well according to your logic anyways. I am here, looking for a second opinion from other people. Is this not how this is suppose to work? According to you, I guess not. So again, I apologize. And as far as your advice, as soon as it becomes relevant, I might consider listening.
 
Regardless of doses or at different stages and levels of competition, I always find when using test I like to have either ( Winstrol, masteron, or proviron) along side it. Especially if using deca or tren. I find I react better having a little extra dht when using progestin based anabolics. My fav cycle so far has been test prop and npp at 75 Mgs/ day with proviron for the first 4 weeks and Winstrol the last 4. It keeps me from bloating more so than just an Ai. Also with the hgh you may or may not have even more prolactin/progesterone build up as some people I have seen run into prolactin problems on hgh and ghrp peptides.
 
Hexahydrobenzylcarbonate said:
Thanks for all of your assumptions. I apologize, I didn't know I was talking to the man who knew everything.

I don't really get what you are trying to say. I am doing a bunch of stuff and want input? Well no shit. That's kind of why I started a thread asking for other peoples opinions. You think the dosages are crazy? For who, you? Maybe. Me? Not so much. But you know it all, so again, I apologize. I don't really see how this is a bullshit post. If it is, then I guess every post on this site is, well according to your logic anyways. I am here, looking for a second opinion from other people. Is this not how this is suppose to work? According to you, I guess not. So again, I apologize. And as far as your advice, as soon as it becomes relevant, I might consider listening.
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No, I don't know it all. But I'm pretty damn certain I know more than you. FOr what it's worth I've been at this for almost a half century and have worked with many of the legends in the game. But I'm sure you know what's best for you -- or more accurately, you know what you want to do. Bless you.

Anyway, that's not the point. You're still not asking anything specific and you're getting pissed when you don't hear what you want to hear. That has nothing to do with my philosophy. That's just what's happening here.

WAY too much time has been spent on this thread. Three pages and nobody can answer your question and all you've done to take a tude and get snotty. We really don't need that. Maybe we should close it down and start fresh.
 
Hexahydrobenzylcarbonate said:
Thanks for all of your assumptions. I apologize, I didn't know I was talking to the man who knew everything.

I don't really get what you are trying to say. I am doing a bunch of stuff and want input? Well no shit. That's kind of why I started a thread asking for other peoples opinions. You think the dosages are crazy? For who, you? Maybe. Me? Not so much. But you know it all, so again, I apologize. I don't really see how this is a bullshit post. If it is, then I guess every post on this site is, well according to your logic anyways. I am here, looking for a second opinion from other people. Is this not how this is suppose to work? According to you, I guess not. So again, I apologize. And as far as your advice, as soon as it becomes relevant, I might consider listening.
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I'm completely with you on this hex, you made a post to ask for opinions.

An appropriate response would be to suggest a dose adjustment, add or remove drugs. Discuss diet and training.

There is no need for this kind of bullshit, it its actually really immature especially from someone so mature.
People come here for advice and knowledge. If you can't contribute either, don't bother typing.

As for your cycle. It's heavier than i've ever gone, but so are you.
But I can imagine those are the dose's needed to gain more than you currently have.

I'm also interested how you find the interaction of the two 19 nors?



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superturkey said:
I'm completely with you on this hex, you made a post to ask for opinions.

An appropriate response would be to suggest a dose adjustment, add or remove drugs. Discuss diet and training.

There is no need for this kind of bullshit, it its actually really immature especially from someone so mature.
People come here for advice and knowledge. If you can't contribute either, don't bother typing.

As for your cycle. It's heavier than i've ever gone, but so are you.
But I can imagine those are the dose's needed to gain more than you currently have.

I'm also interested how you find the interaction of the two 19 nors?



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You're serious? Wow. And what's your contribution that you bothered to type? I think I contributed quite a bit. Sorry you missed the point.
 
Alright there is no need for name calling, bickering, etc... Everyone can throw in thoughts and opinions and whatever input they feel helpful... We are all not going to agree but thats what the board is for... Im not going to watch anymore of this shit though... Its completely unnecessary... Lets stick to the original topic or the thread is going to be closed...
 
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Hexahydrobenzylcarbonate said:
1-12
Test Cyp, 1200mg
Deca, 800mg
5-12
Tren Hex, 700mg

GH, 5iu ed
Insulin, 20 iu/ed - 4 weeks on/off
IGF-1, 100mcg/eod - 6 weeks on, 4 weeks off

Aromasin, 25mg/day
Prami, .25mg/day
Nolva, 20mg/day - if needed

Age, 32
Height, 5-10
Weigght, 250

Off season bulk, looking to keep it simple. What do you think?
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You are a pro so what I have to say means nothing. As a pro, at this point, you know what works for you. If I were to play in this game I would say drop deca, run tren at double your test. Double the growth, don't cycle the IGF just run it. Add legit Sermorelin if you can find it. T-3 and T-4. Caber NOT Prami. I also like HCG.

I have not played with Slin so run that at what you are comfortable with. That is what I would do. I would likely get waaaaaaaayyyyyyyy more huge than I ever want to be with a cycle like that.

Have fun
 
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ceo said:
check out his avatar. He's a big guy. Real close to a pro card. ;)
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Trying to get my pro card, but that is a lot easier said than done. There is a lot of competition these days. I just finished 5th at a recent contest. Think I am 1-2 years away. The main tweak I am going to make is bumping the GH up. I am going to bump it 1 iu at a time and work up to 8iu and keep it there. Thank you guys for the kind words and thoughts. Very much appreciated.
 
Hexahydrobenzylcarbonate said:
Trying to get my pro card, but that is a lot easier said than done. There is a lot of competition these days. I just finished 5th at a recent contest. Think I am 1-2 years away. The main tweak I am going to make is bumping the GH up. I am going to bump it 1 iu at a time and work up to 8iu and keep it there. Thank you guys for the kind words and thoughts. Very much appreciated.
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Man we need a guy like you on this board.
Hopefully you not to deterred from bs at the start of this thread.

End of the day you are a real body builder and I'm sure there is a lot we could learn from you.




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Well now that you asked for our advice and took a little, which is pretty cool. Now you have to let us know how this run goes and any future tweaks, if you liked the cycle when all is said and done and any changes for next time.

Good luck on the pro
 
Hexahydrobenzylcarbonate said:
Trying to get my pro card, but that is a lot easier said than done. There is a lot of competition these days. I just finished 5th at a recent contest. Think I am 1-2 years away. The main tweak I am going to make is bumping the GH up. I am going to bump it 1 iu at a time and work up to 8iu and keep it there. Thank you guys for the kind words and thoughts. Very much appreciated.
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You've had several very good finishes over the past few years. :) I think that's the only thing that looked a bit out of line to me was the GH being pretty low. Up to 12-16iu/day is where I'd look to land it. Good idea to bring it up slowly too.

Are you working with a trainer right now? Who do you use or plan on using? How about prep coach? Obv. not right now, but who have you used in the past, or plan on using?
 
I think my posts got misunderstood along the way. (As they often do). Hey, the guy is big and does big cycles and that's what he wants to do and it works for him. That's fine with me.

I will say though, I'm not sure if doing a lot of juice makes anyone more of a "real" bodybuilder than anyone else here. There's a guy at my gym who's about 70 years old, weighs 170 pounds and walks with a cane. Yet, he's there busting his ass every day and is strong as fuck. I'd say HE is a real bodybuilder -- maybe more so than someone who main goal is to get bigger with no regard to personal safety. But again, that's a personal choice.

My job is to protect the members of the board as best I can. And I don't need attitude when trying to do it, that's all.

As for the original point -- nobody really offered any advice because, AS I WAS SAYING, there's nothing to advise. ANYBODY can say do more of this or more of that. More always works. But at a certain point it's really moot. There's no science to it.

If Hex wanted any advice on pre contest prep or training or diet or water loss or fine tuning a cycle weeks before a show, I'd be glad to help. I think this is just a case of misunderstanding and getting off on the wrong foot.

I'm not sure what was learned, if anything, but I would like to start seeing a little more camaraderie and respect on the boards. And it does seem to be the guys with l the least posts who are mouthing off the most. Just keep it mind.
 
Nelson Montana said:
I think my posts got misunderstood along the way. (As they often do). Hey, the guy is big and does big cycles and that's what he wants to do and it works for him. That's fine with me.

I will say though, I'm not sure if doing a lot of juice makes anyone more of a "real" bodybuilder than anyone else here. There's a guy at my gym who's about 70 years old, weighs 170 pounds and walks with a cane. Yet, he's there busting his ass every day and is strong as fuck. I'd say HE is a real bodybuilder -- maybe more so than someone who main goal is to get bigger with no regard to personal safety. But again, that's a personal choice.

My job is to protect the members of the board as best I can. And I don't need attitude when trying to do it, that's all.

As for the original point -- nobody really offered any advice because, AS I WAS SAYING, there's nothing to advise. ANYBODY can say do more of this or more of that. More always works. But at a certain point it's really moot. There's no science to it.

If Hex wanted any advice on pre contest prep or training or diet or water loss or fine tuning a cycle weeks before a show, I'd be glad to help. I think this is just a case of misunderstanding and getting off on the wrong foot.

I'm not sure what was learned, if anything, but I would like to start seeing a little more camaraderie and respect on the boards. And it does seem to be the guys with l the least posts who are mouthing off the most. Just keep it mind.
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Well said as always
 
@superturkey, thanks. It's just another persons op opinion. Doesn't mean he is wrong, or I am wrong. I'd like to keep posting on this site. Maybe give people some ideas based on my experience.

@blm, I certainly will let you guys know how it goes.

@Nelson, no hard feelings. Just a difference of opinion. I understand what you are saying. You have to realize though, that lowering my dosages are not really an option for me. I cruise on dosages that other people would consider a cycle. It is what I have to do to maintain the mass I have. Agree or disagree, it is what I have to do.

@CEO, I have worked with a few people, I don't want to get into exactly who. Basically, my last show I did not come in as conditioned as I would have liked. If this was just a small little show along the way it would have been no big deal. But this was a big time show. I didn't fully agree with what my prep coach was laying out. But I got the "I know what I am doing, trust me speech" so I did. Day of the show, I was probably still about a month away from being stage ready. Come to find out, I wasn't really getting coached. I was getting a generic layout that he gave to everyone. So because of that, I am now doing things on my own for the most part. Well at least during the off season.
 
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