cycle advice opinions and comments

[flyingjer]

here are my stats
25 years of age training for 7 years

6'3" 250-260lbs around 20% BF

this will be my second cycle first one being 150 eod prop and 100 eod tren.

I know that this is going to be somewhat of a complex cycle especially for a second but, i am combing cycles somewhat the first half, to two-thirds is going to be bulk, the end will be cutting. and i don't plan on cycling for the rest of my life just a couple more so i want to make the ones i do count, okay here it goes, i got certain parts that i know for sure and some that i want some help on.

test prop 100mg ed 16-18 weeks (this is certain, i will do test at this dosage the length of cycle)
tren ace 75mg ed (how many weeks and where do i put this)
Var 50-75mgs ed (how many weeks and where do i put this)
T-bol (dosage not sure, i am thinking at the beginning for about 4 weeks, i am not definetely putting t bol in this stack, why i am mentioning it last)

1mg ed armidex 10-20mg of nolva throughout cycle, i am sensitive to estrogen

I am looking for suggestions on when to use hcg i am thinking weeks 6, 12, and for PCT

PCT i am good on PCT nolva, clomid, HCG regiment

Keep in mind i have plenty of these compounds to go around so if you have suggestions for making the dosages higher or lower then let me know

thanks in advance for your help

Flyingjer

 

[Outtlaw]

Is this all the stuff you have?? What's wrong with enanthate, deca, and eq??

 

[flyingjer]

its all stuff i am going to have, have done test and tren before and loved it, the sides do'nt bother me at all, and this time i was adding orals, i have read so much about Var and Tbol, i really want to try them out, Var i am definetely doing,, tbol is just an option at this point, i am ordering everything in the next two days hopefully, so as many opionions or suggestions on this cycle, oh and by the way outlaw, i prefer the longer esters, and don't want to try deca, i do have some tren leftover from last cycle, about 20cc 100mg/ml

 

[swordfish151]

Im lost bro..in your post you said you did test/tren, yet you are going to do it again and ask where and when to put the tren??

 

[Outtlaw]

Ok, now Im confused. You say you prefer the longer esters, but yet you dont have a single one listed in the cycle you're planning to run??

 

[flyingjer]

sorry prefer the shorter esters, and to swordfish, i am wondering becasue last cycle ws shorter and i did the tren the whole time, since this cycle is longer i am guessing i probably shoudn't do the tren the whole time, even though i would like to, but probably not good on my body

 

[Makavelli]

How many weeks is the cycle? You can run the tren for 10 weeks. I would do it the last 10 weeks. Start off the cycle with T-Bol for 4-6 weeks, depending on the length of the cycle. Finish with Test, Tren, and Anavar.

 

[flyingjer]

16-18 weeks

 

[flyingjer]

that is kind of hwat i was thinking, but what dosage of t-bol and anavar

 

[Outtlaw]

This cycle idea just makes no sense to me. Hey, to each his own I guess.

 

[flyingjer]

why does it not make sense outlaw, could you elaborate

 

[Outtlaw]

why does it not make sense outlaw, could you elaborate

1st off you're gonna run 18wks of prop. That by itself makes no sense to me. Then at 260 and 20%, it sounds to me that you should be cutting. And you dont need all that gear to cut. And if you're planning on bulking, then I think you're going about it the wrong way (starting with the gear you selected).

 

[flyingjer]

whats wrong with the 18 weeks of prop???..also i am not bulking rather than wanting to gain some lean mass, my diet is going to be very clean through the "bulk" part of the cycle and during the cutting part

 

[Outtlaw]

whats wrong with the 18 weeks of prop???..also i am not bulking rather than wanting to gain some lean mass, my diet is going to be very clean through the "bulk" part of the cycle and during the cutting part

It doesnt make sense to me. You're gonna inject ED for 18wks when you could get better results with a longer acting ester injecting 1-2x a week tops??? Like I said, to each his own. Do want you want, but personally I think your whole approach to cycling sucks.

 

[flyingjer]

any other opinions suggestions

 

[flyingjer]

alright maybe your right outlaw about the ed injections for 18 weeks, if i change to the enanthate esters for both test and tren what kind of injection schedule would be best to keep blood levels stable, if i wanted to kick start with prop or tren acetate do i start the cycle with prop and enanthate and just stop the prop 4 weeks in or just do prop the first 4 weeks then start shooting the enanthate, same with the tren

 

[Outtlaw]

alright maybe your right outlaw about the ed injections for 18 weeks, if i change to the enanthate esters for both test and tren what kind of injection schedule would be best to keep blood levels stable, if i wanted to kick start with prop or tren acetate do i start the cycle with prop and enanthate and just stop the prop 4 weeks in or just do prop the first 4 weeks then start shooting the enanthate, same with the tren

1st I think you need to separate this cycle into 2parts and decide whether you're going to bulk or cut 1st. If you're gonna bulk 1st, then enanthate would be a good start. You could run prop for 4wks to kickstart, but it'd be easier to just do that with the tbol.

I think tren is best used for cutting. I personally prefer to use the acetate over the longer acting tren (for several reasons), but that's just my preference. You could do it either way. I would opt to use winstrol over var (winny works great with tren btw), but once again... that's personal preference and whether or not you want to dish out the extra money for a compound that's not gonna give you anything extra. And if you're gonna run this for 18wks, I'd switch over to EQ as your base around week 10. Run the enanthate/tbol part during the 1st 10wks to bulk, and then the 2nd part the last 8wks to cut. The eq should overlap the test between wks 8-10.

And no offense by the cycle sucks comment. But sometimes people just dont get it around here.

 

[flyingjer]

yeah that is what my plan was to separate into 2 parts i thought i put that in my original post, and i did plan on bulking fist, makes more sense to me anyway, and why would you change to EQ while i cut??

T-bol i only plan on running for 4 weeks at the beginning, what would be a good dosage to run??

what exactly did you mean by spending the money for something that is not going to give you anything extra in that last post, about the winny, or the var???

could you give a couple reasons you prefer acetate over enanthate for tren

 

[Outtlaw]

yeah that is what my plan was to separate into 2 parts i thought i put that in my original post, and i did plan on bulking fist, makes more sense to me anyway, and why would you change to EQ while i cut??

T-bol i only plan on running for 4 weeks at the beginning, what would be a good dosage to run??

what exactly did you mean by spending the money for something that is not going to give you anything extra in that last post, about the winny, or the var???

could you give a couple reasons you prefer acetate over enanthate for tren

Not sure on the tbol dosage, as I've never used it. But I think people tend to dose it just like dbol. So probably 35-50mg/day should do. And I was saying that var is more expensive, but not really any better for what you'll get out of it.

And with tren... I prefer the acetate because it acts right away, and I can stop it anytime the sides get to be too much without having to wait for it to clear my system.

And I suggest to switch to eq halfway through because in a cycle that long you will probably start to platue if you run the same thing the whole way through. So you want to switch things up to make sure you get the most out of the cycle.

 

[flyingjer]

that was my reasoning in switching the compoudns up so i don't plateau, see i jsut think there was some confusion in my first post why you might of thought i was an idiot, anyway since i will be cutting for the final 8 weeks or so does a plateau really matter, at that point arent the drugs there for more of a conservation of lbm

also haven't done to much reading on EQ how does that work with libido, this is part of the reason i am wanting to keep the test in for entire cycle length

 

[Outtlaw]

If you can draw out how you plan on running this cycle (week by week) I think we can clear up a lot of things. I cant tell what you're thinking and we might be thinking the same thing, but without a full cycle plan it doesnt make sense to do guesswork.

 

[flyingjer]

well partially the reason i dind't have the whole cycle drawn out is becasue i was wanting some input on where to put a coupld things but if i could put a rough draft it would be
revised a little from the feedback i have gotten so far

test e 750ew 1-18
tbol 50mg ed 1-4
Var 75mg ed 8-18

tren not sure, i would run the entire length of the cycle if i didn't think it would wreak havoc on my body, that is part of the reason why i am looking for advice on where to put it on this cycle and for how long.

HCG usage not sure about quite yet have read many different opinons regarding this

nolva 10mg ed
armidex 1mg ed as stated before very sensitive to estrogen

PCT
basic clomid, nolva, HCG

 

[Outtlaw]

Ok, looks like we're on the same page with the 1st part of the cycle. I was thinking bulk with test/tbol, and cut with tren/winny. The only reason I threw the eq in there is because you wanted to run the test for 18wks straight, and I think it'd be better if you swapped that out for eq halfway through. You should be able to run the tren for 8wks without problems. So if it was me, I'd drop the var all together and run winstrol alongside the tren for the last 8wks.

Or you can just run the var and forget the tren/winny all together.

 

[flyingjer]

okay, so you say winny/ tren or var why not var/tren, fyi the reason i chose not to use winny is due to the pain on the joints, and i am getting var pretty cheap as i am getting everyting else cheap also, i am homebrewing this stuff so the price of the var does not matter that much in this case

 

[Outtlaw]

Well it's your choice. Im just telling you what I would do, and what I think would yeild better results. You could run var/tren, or you could run just one of them. If you've used these compounds before, then you should know how you respond to them and might prefer to take one option over another.

 

[flyingjer]

one last question, would it absolutely kill me to run the tren the whole cycle if so, what would be thelongest to run it, if i would run it the whole time what kind of supplements would be good to go along with it, oh yeah i will have dostinex to run with this cycle also

 

[Outtlaw]

one last question, would it absolutely kill me to run the tren the whole cycle if so, what would be thelongest to run it, if i would run it the whole time what kind of supplements would be good to go along with it, oh yeah i will have dostinex to run with this cycle also

Well, there are some superman type dudes that boast about running tren for 18wks straight. But I personally would never do it. 8wks is it for me, and I wouldnt recommend anything over 10wks. But if you think you can handle it, then try it out. As far as suppliments... liver protectants and cranberry for kidneys. And drink plenty of water.

 

[flyingjer]

what is it being superman about taking it for 18 weeks, the sides, or the effects on your body that may not be tooo noticable?

i mean i probably won't run it the whole time, jsut want to know what the reasons are

because of me being stupid i ran tren in my last cycle for about 14 weeks, but thats becaseu i was stupid and another story on top of that

 

[Outtlaw]

what is it being superman about taking it for 18 weeks, the sides, or the effects on your body that may not be tooo noticable?

i mean i probably won't run it the whole time, jsut want to know what the reasons are

Both, tren can have some harsh sides. You can do a search and check out peoples reactions to it. But you've run it for 14wks before without incident, so you might be just fine. There are certain things I dont do anymore, and one of them is run anadrol. But many other people run it in high doses and have no imediate problems with it. Just remember, it's your body. What you put in it may not be a big deal today, but it might affect you later down the road. Be safe.

 

[flyingjer]

i think i'll just start it out assuming to go the whole ttime, but make sure i check my BP regularly and watch the color of my urine, from what i have read that is the main effects in your body, i am going to get some liver detox so run cycle long also,

Thanks outlaw for the advice, i'll hit you up with some more karma when i can get around to it again

 

[wayneboard1]

Both, tren can have some harsh sides. You can do a search and check out peoples reactions to it. But you've run it for 14wks before without incident, so you might be just fine. There are certain things I dont do anymore, and one of them is run anadrol. But many other people run it in high doses and have no imediate problems with it. Just remember, it's your body. What you put in it may not be a big deal today, but it might affect you later down the road. Be safe.

Dang law, you are one informed sob! I have to pass around some K before I hit you again but you post some good info man, always a good read for me.