Cutting STUFF - Need some advice

[floridalife]

Not going with T3 too serious by nature u could really hurt your body with it going to be clen for me

 

[champ712]

Hey fellas,
Just got some clen, and was wondering if anyone had any input on the routine I was planning on following. For background, I'm 23 y/o, 6'1, 185 lbs. I'm looking to cut down and gain lean muscle. Any help is appreciated.
Here's my routine:
Mon.- Boxing HIIT
Tues- Cardio/Weights (Total Body Workout)
Thurs- Cardio/Weights (Total Body Workout)
Fri.- Boxing HIIT

Supps:
Weeks 1-2: Clen, CE2, Taurine 3-5g ED, Potassium Gluconate 1000mg ED, Multivitamin, Whey

Weeks 2-4: Lipo-6, CE2, Multivitamin, Whey

Weeks 4-6: Same as Weeks 1-2

Weeks 6-8: Same as Weeks 2-4

Is it necessary to take the CEE on off days? If so, do I need to take the full dose (2 pills morning, 2 pills afternoon)?
Also, how long should I wait before stating the clen again. I have enough for two cycles as desribed above. Can I just repeat this after I finish Week 8 for a total of 16 weeks?

I know I made the mistake of overpaying for all my supps at GNC, I will be buying online from AG now on. Other than that, is there anything else I need to know or change? These are probably all questions you get all the time, so I really appreciate the feedback. Thanks

 

[macrophage69alpha]

if taking clen you really should take ALCAR for cardio protective benefits. In addition to taurine, potassium and magnesium.

J Appl Physiol. 2005 Apr;98(4):1379-86. Epub 2004 Dec 10. Related Articles, Links


beta2-Adrenergic receptor stimulation in vivo induces apoptosis in the rat heart and soleus muscle.

Burniston JG, Tan LB, Goldspink DF.

Research Institute for Sports and Exercise Sciences, Liverpool John Moores Univ., Webster St., Liverpool, L3 2ET, United Kingdom. [email protected]

High doses of the beta2-adrenergic receptor (AR) agonist clenbuterol can induce necrotic myocyte death in the heart and slow-twitch skeletal muscle of the rat. However, it is not known whether this agent can also induce myocyte apoptosis and whether this would occur at a lower dose than previously reported for myocyte necrosis. Male Wistar rats were given single subcutaneous injections of clenbuterol. Immunohistochemistry was used to detect myocyte-specific apoptosis (detected on cryosections via a caspase 3 antibody and confirmed with annexin V, single-strand DNA labeling, and terminal deoxynucleotidyl transferase-mediated dUTP nick-end labeling). Myocyte apoptosis was first detected at 2 h and peaked 4 h after clenbuterol administration. The lowest dose of clenbuterol to induce cardiomyocyte apoptosis was 1 microg/kg , with peak apoptosis (0.35 +/- 0.05%; P < 0.05) occurring in response to 5 mg/kg. In the soleus, peak apoptosis (5.8 +/- 2%; P < 0.05) was induced by the lower dose of 10 microg/kg. Cardiomyocyte apoptosis was detected throughout the ventricles, atria, and papillary muscles. However, this damage was most abundant in the left ventricular subendocardium at a point 1.6 mm, that is, approximately one-quarter of the way, from the apex toward the base. beta-AR antagonism (involving propranolol, bisoprolol, or ICI 118551) or reserpine was used to show that clenbuterol-induced myocardial apoptosis was mediated through neuromodulation of the sympathetic system and the cardiomyocyte beta1-AR, whereas in the soleus direct stimulation of the myocyte beta2-AR was involved. These data show that, when administered in vivo, beta2-AR stimulation by clenbuterol is detrimental to cardiac and skeletal muscles even at low doses, by inducing apoptosis through beta1- and beta2-AR, respectively.

 

[champ712]

How much ALCAR do you need to take? The serving instructions I see on the 500 mg say 1-2 pills daily

 

[cougar8]

Now see fellas, this is a good example of solid, factual info! Good post bro!

if taking clen you really should take ALCAR for cardio protective benefits. In addition to taurine, potassium and magnesium.

J Appl Physiol. 2005 Apr;98(4):1379-86. Epub 2004 Dec 10. Related Articles, Links


beta2-Adrenergic receptor stimulation in vivo induces apoptosis in the rat heart and soleus muscle.

Burniston JG, Tan LB, Goldspink DF.

Research Institute for Sports and Exercise Sciences, Liverpool John Moores Univ., Webster St., Liverpool, L3 2ET, United Kingdom. [email protected]

High doses of the beta2-adrenergic receptor (AR) agonist clenbuterol can induce necrotic myocyte death in the heart and slow-twitch skeletal muscle of the rat. However, it is not known whether this agent can also induce myocyte apoptosis and whether this would occur at a lower dose than previously reported for myocyte necrosis. Male Wistar rats were given single subcutaneous injections of clenbuterol. Immunohistochemistry was used to detect myocyte-specific apoptosis (detected on cryosections via a caspase 3 antibody and confirmed with annexin V, single-strand DNA labeling, and terminal deoxynucleotidyl transferase-mediated dUTP nick-end labeling). Myocyte apoptosis was first detected at 2 h and peaked 4 h after clenbuterol administration. The lowest dose of clenbuterol to induce cardiomyocyte apoptosis was 1 microg/kg , with peak apoptosis (0.35 +/- 0.05%; P < 0.05) occurring in response to 5 mg/kg. In the soleus, peak apoptosis (5.8 +/- 2%; P < 0.05) was induced by the lower dose of 10 microg/kg. Cardiomyocyte apoptosis was detected throughout the ventricles, atria, and papillary muscles. However, this damage was most abundant in the left ventricular subendocardium at a point 1.6 mm, that is, approximately one-quarter of the way, from the apex toward the base. beta-AR antagonism (involving propranolol, bisoprolol, or ICI 118551) or reserpine was used to show that clenbuterol-induced myocardial apoptosis was mediated through neuromodulation of the sympathetic system and the cardiomyocyte beta1-AR, whereas in the soleus direct stimulation of the myocyte beta2-AR was involved. These data show that, when administered in vivo, beta2-AR stimulation by clenbuterol is detrimental to cardiac and skeletal muscles even at low doses, by inducing apoptosis through beta1- and beta2-AR, respectively.

 

[macrophage69alpha]

How much ALCAR do you need to take? The serving instructions I see on the 500 mg say 1-2 pills daily

for this particular purpose would go with 2-4 grams per day (that not being a guarantee but likely to reduce the apoptic actions of clenbuterol)

 

[floridalife]

congrats u just scared the crap out of me

 

[cboogsrun]

well i've used hydroxy and stacker III etc i don't like jitters.. just was wondering what else was out there injectables, topicals etc that REALLY work

thanks!

If you don't like jitters, clen is not for you. Go plat and you can search old threads. Or look on EF's gold mine of best posts.

BOOGS

 

[macrophage69alpha]

congrats u just scared the crap out of me

it was just meant to be informative, there are risks with clenbuterol, its important to know what they are as well as possible ways to reduce that risk

 

[KOArtist]

so what do ya'll think of the overall safety when it comes to T3 vs. Clen??