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Cutting, keeping muscle
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this goes against the traditional bodybuilder dogma, but Im not a bodybuilder so Ill give you my two cents for what its worth....dont freak out about counting calories, instead eat every 3-4 hours with super high protein each meal and veggies. If you can eat meat, fish, or fowl every meal plus a little veggies, lots of protein shakes, handfuls of BCAAs, EFAs, combined with interval training and appropriate lifting (ground based multi joint compound movements as your meat and potatoes lifts), you can drop the chub without getting technical about counting calories.....get super strict about the quality of your food intake being clean, and its not as essential to count calories if your low carb or keto...supplement tons of protein shakes, BCAAs, and EFAs, and I think you have the basics covered.
To a large degree I agree with power, you cut out grains/starches/sugars and stick to meats and fresh veggies its hard to overeat. If you do any sort of HIIT cardio though you may actually find you arent eating enough and may lose too much muscle so for if no other reason that having some emperical evidence, I like the idea of tracking cals, makes things easier to more accuratly adjust if things arent going as planned.
Fair enough my friend. I guess I have been lucky that even with double sessions, HIIT in the morning and heavy lifts in the afternoon, I have been on significantly reduced calories for periods and not lost mass on the meat and veggies, handful of BCAAs everytime I am in the kitchen, EFAs, and my normal HRT.
Im not a AAS guru so cant comment there for certain, but imagine from what I gather on here folks will bump Test, or do stuff like Primo, Mast, or Var while cutting calories and it helps retain muscle.
Im not a AAS guru so cant comment there for certain, but imagine from what I gather on here folks will bump Test, or do stuff like Primo, Mast, or Var while cutting calories and it helps retain muscle.
Really depends a lot on the cycle and the individual, those with more BF can drop cals more. Thats why I like to at least count cals so if things do go as I had hoped you can adjust a bit and arent just guessing.
100g a day isnt much. if its working for you rock it brother! Everyones tolerance to carbs and their insulin response is different. I think some suggest cutting carbs out totally or just veggies, then slowly adding stuff in until you realize its not keeping you lean as you want, then you know at what point you need to keep carbs under to keep lean or drop chub.
I actually take carbs at times even if Im strict meat and veggies, say a light carb sports drink with whey protein in it, and a handful of BCAAs, beta alanine, and creatine during a training session, then after a big protein shake and resume meat and veggies diet.
I think everyone is different and there is no set protocol cookie cutter for all of us to follow...surely folks have been getting lean and ripped while using wheat products, yams and potatoes, and rice for years!
I actually take carbs at times even if Im strict meat and veggies, say a light carb sports drink with whey protein in it, and a handful of BCAAs, beta alanine, and creatine during a training session, then after a big protein shake and resume meat and veggies diet.
I think everyone is different and there is no set protocol cookie cutter for all of us to follow...surely folks have been getting lean and ripped while using wheat products, yams and potatoes, and rice for years!
I agree there are a lot of individual tolerance issues. That being said how many times a day do we see someone post they have a clean diet (eat whole grains, dairy rice etc) and simply cant cut.
Couple things to consider. Grains = gluten and for a large portion of the population gluten = problems. Next, you have the insulin factor your mentioned, lots of folks bodies over react to large carb loads. Lastly, just think how grain is stored, what comes running out of a silo when there is a grain fire? Bugs and rodents! Pissing and shitting all over the food you eat.
As power said 100g isnt a lot and if your cutting is working, likely no need to fix it BUT cutting out grains, even if you dont think there is a problem will likely speed your progress.
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I've not cut very often because I've mostly been a powerlifter in the higher weight classes, so not worried about it. That being said...when I have been trying to lose fat, cutting dairy has always helped me in a very big way (and I LOVE milk)...dropping grains/starches/sugars is easy for me, but giving up milk (which is full of carbs unfortunately) has always been very difficul for me. I do tend to have seasonal allergies, and giving up grains (and gluten) and dairy also helped that a lot as well....though not enough for me to give up milk full time, only when i need to shrink my belleh.
Milk is a lot like grains in the sense that many folks have lactose issues, just like many folks have gluten issues. There are tons of articles on the net that cover the issues caused by both and why avoiding them is beneficial. The fact that giving up grains/dairy has a direct impact on your seasonal allergies tells me one or both are at least somewhat problematic for you.
People always question me like I am crazy when I say give up grains/dairy to lose fat so thanks for sharing your personal experience, it just adds some more credibility to what I have been saying.
I bet if you could convince them to try 3 weeks without grains/dairy, sticking to meat and veggies, they wouldnt question you anymore. I did Dan Duchaines BodyOpus 15 years ago with great sucess, the only modification I remember is doing a MET-RX post workout with whatever carbs it had, and I didnt blow out the carb load day as much as he prescribed. I leaned out and was strong as f--k....15 years later, though not as strict as I guess Ive lost some willpower, or have bigger fish to fry in my life, if I make it a few weeks with just meat and veggies I can tell the difference and so can people around me...plus you feel a million times better once you adjust.....the past month or 6 weeks Ive had 3 meals with alot of carbs, rice or pasta, or dessert..eating out with friends or being offered a home cooked me so just saying screw it..and although it tastes good, Ill be damned if going back to carbs doesnt trigger my gut to feel bloated, and me to feel freaking hungry the rest of the day and night, and have a little less energy and more brain fog....Im not trying to push the caveman/paleo/meat and veggies diet for any monetary purposes, Im just giving my experience....it will lean you out if you stick to it strictly, and you can slowly wean down to meat and veggies, see how you feel, and I bet you it reduces your hunger for carbs over time, leans you out, and you still can stay strong. Im not the youngest guy in the world, and Ive had a lot of surgeries and health issues, but I can still out lift most folks in the major lifts even while on minimum calories, meat and veggies, and regular HRT doses. As I said though, I do supplement the living crap outta BCAAs and EFA all day long too though.
If someone isnt convinced, I tell you challenge them to read this book, easy read and so clear why we should steer clear of sugar, grains, starches:
Amazon.com: Why We Get Fat: And What to Do About It (9780307272706): Gary Taubes: Books
