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Don't waste your time with this friggin moron
http://www.elitefitness.com/forum/showthread.php?t=536243
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Cutting is HARD!!!! well at least for me
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SgtSlaughter
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please go read in the diet forum and educate yourself... it'll be the best thing for you.
Do NOT waste your money at the roi d store... it's garbage as far as I've heard.
Do NOT waste your money at the roi d store... it's garbage as far as I've heard.
Protobuilder
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Losing fat is very simple. Fuck drugs. Don't need 'em. Your goal is pretty simple.
You're not losing weight on your current eating plan. Simple. Eat less. Not a ton less. Just a little bit less than usual. Yes you may need to start tracking your daily intake, which can be a pain at first. But otherwise, you may have no real idea how much you shove down your piehole. If the scale starts moving down, you're on track. Keep doing what you're doing until the scale stops. Then eat a little bit less again. The scale should start moving again.
It's quite simple. Where do drugs factor in? Unless you're trying to shred down to competition level, drugs only mean you lack the discipline and willpower to consistently put forth intelligent effort. Meaning, you want something, but won't work for it.
You're not losing weight on your current eating plan. Simple. Eat less. Not a ton less. Just a little bit less than usual. Yes you may need to start tracking your daily intake, which can be a pain at first. But otherwise, you may have no real idea how much you shove down your piehole. If the scale starts moving down, you're on track. Keep doing what you're doing until the scale stops. Then eat a little bit less again. The scale should start moving again.
It's quite simple. Where do drugs factor in? Unless you're trying to shred down to competition level, drugs only mean you lack the discipline and willpower to consistently put forth intelligent effort. Meaning, you want something, but won't work for it.
SgtSlaughter
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i agree with all but this ^^Protobuilder said:
During a cutting diet if one is training one may recomposition, aka gain a bit of muscle and loose body fat (as did I on my first cutting diet).
Therefore the scale is NOT what one needs to gauge progress.
Use progress photos, tape measure, caliper tests, how you feel, ect.
Weight is not the "end all factor" of cutting progress.
Take your bodyweight and go for 10-12 x BW (EXAMPLE: 200lbs x 10 = 2,000 calories) for your caloric range. Use that as a baseline or so and adjust weekly or every 2 weeks as needed.
Start with 40/30/30 for your macronutrient ratios (%Proteins/%Carbs/%Fats)
Quick diet comments:
Pack your own lunch.
No skim milk.
Last meal... make that a protein powder in water shake and ANPB or 1oz of Almonds (or something similar)
Protobuilder
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All good points. I was going for the down and dirty basics. At 23% Bodyfat, with regular heavy lifting (e.g., no real risk of dropping muscle mass), the scale is "good enough," IMHO. Personally, I use the scale, the mirror (terrible indicator frankly), and my gut measurement.
And if he's looking at cutting drugs, I figure all that calorie counting, macronutrient ratio stuff is too "complex" for him. Just a couple of diff't approaches.
Re: the recomp bit . . . you mentioned your first cut . . .I wonder if this was during your "noob gain" stage? Otherwise, it's like the holy grail: losing fat AND adding slabs of meat at the same time. LoL
And if he's looking at cutting drugs, I figure all that calorie counting, macronutrient ratio stuff is too "complex" for him. Just a couple of diff't approaches.
Re: the recomp bit . . . you mentioned your first cut . . .I wonder if this was during your "noob gain" stage? Otherwise, it's like the holy grail: losing fat AND adding slabs of meat at the same time. LoL
SgtSlaughter
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Ahhh, lol... all good points back at ya.
No, definetly wasn't my "noob gain" stage (that happened 6 years ago from 137-180)... could have been the weider confusion principals though
... because i just came off a sloppy bulk and went all out animal intense i'm not sure what i'm doing but i hope it works lifting...and it did 
My body is wired differently, i'm still trying to figure it out.
I burnt out on chicken and veggies, but it was worth it, lol
No, definetly wasn't my "noob gain" stage (that happened 6 years ago from 137-180)... could have been the weider confusion principals though
... because i just came off a sloppy bulk and went all out animal intense i'm not sure what i'm doing but i hope it works lifting...and it did My body is wired differently, i'm still trying to figure it out.
I burnt out on chicken and veggies, but it was worth it, lol
dce2956
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Sarge_ said:
This is an incredibly important concept for you to understand. Your wrestling buddies are different than you probably. what works for them to lose weight apparently doesnt work for you.
there are many different variations on the idea of losing weight, but it all comes down to caloric deficit, and there are many ways to achieve this. i have friends that need to eat 3000 cals a day and then workout twice a day to lose weight. i also know people that can just eat less and sit on their ass, and can lose weight.
EVERYONE IS DIFFERENT!!! just experiment in 3 week periods until you find what combo of intake and expenditure works for you
Thanks guys. I think i will reduce my sodium intake, up my potassium intake and cardio and reduce the amount of food i eat also along with making a cutting journal next monday. I realized how appealing steroids look when you don't know any of the side effects. Heck if there weren't any side effects i'm positive about everyone would do them. But thanks for kicking me back into gear guys, and i apoligize for my ignorance on the subject. The last question is, to take NO-explode or not to? Superpump made my stomach hurl, Redline made me feel like my heart was stopping when i drank some, and No-Explode doesn't seem like it does much for me except make me real vainy and a little bloated (which could be the result of not enough water intake. i was only taking in a half a gallon of water a day while taking it). Thanks for your time though guys. This forum always seemed to give me advice at times when i needed it.
Cynical Simian
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Aside from the 10 extra calories per day you'd burn as the result of the small amount of caffeine in NO-Xplode, it won't make a bit of difference. I suppose there's no harm in finishing what you have, but buying more after that would, IMO, be a colossal waste of money.
