Cutting - I keep binging on fat :(

[nodiggitydave]

Currently running ECA and meant to be cutting, 19, 210lb, 6ft, bout 18% fat guesswork.

The thing is, My diet is currently involves, protein shakes, salads, lean meat.

But every week, I seem to slip up and get something really fatty, and try to justify it by it's protein content, this should be a matter of willpower but it continues to happen. Usually binging on cheese, in tacos or panini's.

Anyone help?

 

[Faizakafez]

Currently running eca - ephedrine - caffeine - aspirin and meant to be cutting, 19, 210lb, 6ft, bout 18% fat guesswork.

The thing is, My diet is currently involves, protein shakes, salads, lean meat.

But every week, I seem to slip up and get something really fatty, and try to justify it by it's protein content, this should be a matter of willpower but it continues to happen. Usually binging on cheese, in tacos or panini's.

Anyone help?

bro know one can help you here really, you justify cheat meals plain and simple...

you need to tell your self i cant eat it then dont eat..

Also if your feeling hungry during the week ditch the shakes. and use whole foods

 

[needtogetaas]

1 cheat meal a week is ok bro...stick to your diet all week and then once a week look foreword to a meal of what ever you want...hold off all week and treat yourself that one time.

 

[nodiggitydave]

worst thing is the amount of bloating I get off the bad carbs or high fat, feel terrible afterwards. The ECA effects are definitly slowing, I lost a good amount of fat, then it seemed to lose its appetite suppresing effects, and I decided to eat like I was bulking and I feel like i'm back to how I was with gyno more pronounced

All I can say, is I hope the gyno goes away, that I have a great low bodyfat holiday, lol, and roll on becoming 21 when I can juice.

 

[Sim882]

worst thing is the amount of bloating I get off the bad carbs or high fat, feel terrible afterwards. The eca - ephedrine - caffeine - aspirin effects are definitly slowing, I lost a good amount of fat, then it seemed to lose its appetite suppresing effects, and I decided to eat like I was bulking and I feel like i'm back to how I was with gynecomastia more pronounced

All I can say, is I hope the gynecomastia goes away, that I have a great low bodyfat holiday, lol, and roll on becoming 21 when I can juice.

Somepeople will disapprove of this, but when you feel the need to binge, there is the option of stuffing yourself with low calorie food so you feel to bloated to eat:

Options include
- 500 grams of cabbage, brocollli, or spinach (125 calories)
- 1 litre of diet soft drinks (preferably diet rite)
- or, if something slightly better tasting required, 500 grams of pumpkin blended into a soup (125 calories, but high GI, which shouldn't be a problem if your glycogen stores are low).

 

[poysyn]

Incorporate more fats into your diet throughout the day. If you are binging on fat there is probably a reason your body is craving it. Fats will only make it even easier to shed the fat off of your body.

Since when does turning 21 mean its time to juice? If you are still at the stage of trying to get lean, I'm going to say you are still years from your natural potential. Stay the hell away from AAS until you truly need them.

The appetite suppressing effects from ECA will start to diminish after about 2 weeks. Take a week or two off from ECA and then go back on..it should help greatly lowering your tolerance to the ephedrine.

 

[nodiggitydave]

hello some very good points on here:

firstly: my diet is, weetabix with protein shake (skimmed milk), tuna salad for lunch, 200g chicken/turkey eaten throughout the day but the majority of it 3hours after lunch. Then a clean dinner, with casein before bed.

My comment about turning 21 was mainly due to the fact I've been training for two years now, and 21 is when I'll be at around 5 years of training, this is a long way off so who knows whether i'll be ready, but pretty certain i'm not willing to bother until then. I'm a good size but certainly carrying too much bodyfat.

I'm going on holiday in 4 weeks so want to shed as much fat as possible, the ecas appear to have stopped working, for the appetite effects, so perhaps a week off and then back on them until the holiday? Also, will I be suffering from caffeine withdrawal on holiday? I know that can make some people really irritable..

oh and sim882's comments interested me, i've never really bothered with fizzy drinks, but diet coke is allowed on a cutter? Sure i'd rather sip on water but i can imagine with the amount of fizz it's going to fill you up alot.

last point, probably completely unrelated to diet, but since ive been cutting, also since ive been on eca, i've been feeling "woozy" in work, extremely tired, lazy and wanting to sit down and shut my eyes. hmm

 

[Sim882]

hello some very good points on here:

firstly: my diet is, weetabix with protein shake (skimmed milk), tuna salad for lunch, 200g chicken/turkey eaten throughout the day but the majority of it 3hours after lunch. Then a clean dinner, with casein before bed.

My comment about turning 21 was mainly due to the fact I've been training for two years now, and 21 is when I'll be at around 5 years of training, this is a long way off so who knows whether i'll be ready, but pretty certain i'm not willing to bother until then. I'm a good size but certainly carrying too much bodyfat.

I'm going on holiday in 4 weeks so want to shed as much fat as possible, the ecas appear to have stopped working, for the appetite effects, so perhaps a week off and then back on them until the holiday? Also, will I be suffering from caffeine withdrawal on holiday? I know that can make some people really irritable..

oh and sim882's comments interested me, i've never really bothered with fizzy drinks, but diet coke is allowed on a cutter? Sure i'd rather sip on water but i can imagine with the amount of fizz it's going to fill you up alot.

last point, probably completely unrelated to diet, but since ive been cutting, also since ive been on eca - ephedrine - caffeine - aspirin, i've been feeling "woozy" in work, extremely tired, lazy and wanting to sit down and shut my eyes. hmm

Some say aspartame in diet cola slows the metabolism, so you could use diet rite instead.

I personally think the bloat does make you feel fuller - it has worked for me.

 

[poysyn]

It's definitely enough to satisfy a craving, but I have started to avoid aspartame at all costs anymore. It's not going to hurt having a diet anything here and there, but it's not something that should be had with every meal either.

As for the tiredness..is it happening while the ECA is still working (normally about 4 hours?) or is it just happening randomly? I would guess that its the little crash after it is starting to wear off..

 

[timtim]

your diet is terrible. you binge because youre starving yourself and its a natural body response. might want to look into revamping your entire diet.

 

[nodiggitydave]

i'm not starving myself at all.

i have eca, at 8am, 12am then 4pm. It usually happens around 11 which could be the ECA wearing off.

 

[Faizakafez]

dont cheat is the best solution

 

[timtim]

i'm not starving myself at all.

i have eca - ephedrine - caffeine - aspirin, at 8am, 12am then 4pm. It usually happens around 11 which could be the ECA wearing off.

protein shakes, lean meats, and salads are the foods which compromise your diet? there is little to no fat in "lean" meats, no fats in shakes, and no fats in salads. there is no bulk to your diet. this lack of correct macronutrient breakdown leads to hunger which leads to binge eating. no mention of carbs or fats. my guess is, youre starving yourself.

eca does nothing for fat burning either, its an appetite surpressant so its not that its not working, your body is attenuating to it. but i can promise you the eca has not burned 1 ounce of fat. sounds like you have lost muscle and fat leading to the lethargic feeling you have which is an indicator of metabolic down regulation meaning burning fat will be harder.

 

[nodiggitydave]

then what do you suggest? if you are going to critisise please let it be constructive

as for the eca, i'm pretty sure it's lost all of its effect so I might stop for a week and then start taking it again. why do you think ECA has burned no fat?

 

[timtim]

then what do you suggest? if you are going to critisise please let it be constructive

as for the eca - ephedrine - caffeine - aspirin, i'm pretty sure it's lost all of its effect so I might stop for a week and then start taking it again. why do you think ECA has burned no fat?

i did suggest revamping the entire diet. you need to include carbs and fats. that alone will curb hunger so you dont binge.

if youre cutting, start with a weekly schedule where you are calorie/carb cycling. 4 days of the week have bw x 10 calories, 2 days at bw x 12, and 1 day with bw x 16. keep the carbs very low on the bw x 10 days and fats higher, bw x 12 days have the carbs up slightly and the fats down slightly, and bw x 16 day drop the fats as much as possible and go high carb. keep protein at around 1.2 to 1.5 grams per pound of bodyweight, i go low at 1.2 and its completely fine.

eca burns no fat because it isnt made to do that. none of the otc "fat burning supps" burn fat. they have an effect on the cns which curbs hunger and increases parasympathetic response (heart rate, blood pressure). once they are attenuated the effects are more tolerable which you are describing. they have a bad effect on the cv system really. any fat you lost you did on your own, not the eca, trust me.