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Johnny_Whoops
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Clearly unorthodox, but I know a few guys have said they do it. Who are you and what kind of results do you get? I'm sure it takes you away from the bloat and gives you more of a jacked look. Anyone???? 
cutting diet with Test E./Deca cycle???
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Johnny_Whoops
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good for you soco. where is ur bf% going into the cycle?
broganlikehogan
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tring the same thing now i stay away from fat no carbs. after 6pm all i eat is eggs meat and fish and protein shakes no junk food i workout hard at 6:30am to 7:15am and at 7:30pm i do a somewhat light ab workout about 10 to 15min. then 30min. on treadmill i do this 5 days a week rest on weekends but still eat the same
Johnny_Whoops
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That's me. The pic does me no justice. I should re-up. That was about a year ago at about 190. I'm 210 right now...lol. Much larger now and my role at work completely changed so I don't burn half as much calories, but my diet is much improved. Anyway, I hate the bloat with test e/deca, but I love the results in mass. If I can control with diet and cut, I'd be psyched. Any recommedations on diet? You got one to share?
Johnny_Whoops
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DIET.......someone give me a diet! lol...........I posted in the diet forum but I feel I need some juice flavor on the recommendation.
Johnny_Whoops
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I figured MacGyver would take a box of matches, some steel wool and a duracell, tape it to a kitten's ass and create a 5.4 on the richter scale of Johnny's dieting. OK.....I'll whip up my notes in the morning and post it.
Johnny_Whoops
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Aight, here is the truncated version of the diet. I snagged it a few months back on EF.
Meal #1
5 oz. lean meat (93% or leaner beef, Chicken, Tuna or Turkey Breast)
+ 5 egg whites, 1 yolk
+ 1 cup steamed oatmeal (I use steel cut oats and steam them in a rice steamer)
Meal #2
Protein Drink: 2 Scoops Beverly International - Ultra Size in 14 oz water (or other ‘High Quality’ protein supplement)
Meal #3
8 ounces chicken (weighed prior to cooking) or 9 oz can tuna
2-3 cups salad (lettuce, tomato, carrot, cucumber, green peppers, etc.)
2 TBS Newman’s Own Vinegar and Oil dressing or make your own with 2 TBS Vinegar,
1 TBS Flax Oils and spices for flavor
– OR –
1-Cup Green Beans
Meal #4
Same as Meal #2, plus ½ banana, 1 tsp ANPB (all natural peanut butter)
Meal #5
8 ounces lean meat (chicken, turkey, fish, 93% or leaner beef, etc.)
2 cups vegetables (asparagus, broccoli, cauliflower, green beans, spinach or zucchini)
- OR – another salad as in Meal 3
I guess my point is with strict adherence to this diet (and with the understanding that my lifting is on point and intense), will I get much out of a Test E/Deca cycle? Are there enough cals in this bad boy to create a synergistic effect where I can shed fat but swell up?!
Meal #1
5 oz. lean meat (93% or leaner beef, Chicken, Tuna or Turkey Breast)
+ 5 egg whites, 1 yolk
+ 1 cup steamed oatmeal (I use steel cut oats and steam them in a rice steamer)
Meal #2
Protein Drink: 2 Scoops Beverly International - Ultra Size in 14 oz water (or other ‘High Quality’ protein supplement)
Meal #3
8 ounces chicken (weighed prior to cooking) or 9 oz can tuna
2-3 cups salad (lettuce, tomato, carrot, cucumber, green peppers, etc.)
2 TBS Newman’s Own Vinegar and Oil dressing or make your own with 2 TBS Vinegar,
1 TBS Flax Oils and spices for flavor
– OR –
1-Cup Green Beans
Meal #4
Same as Meal #2, plus ½ banana, 1 tsp ANPB (all natural peanut butter)
Meal #5
8 ounces lean meat (chicken, turkey, fish, 93% or leaner beef, etc.)
2 cups vegetables (asparagus, broccoli, cauliflower, green beans, spinach or zucchini)
- OR – another salad as in Meal 3
I guess my point is with strict adherence to this diet (and with the understanding that my lifting is on point and intense), will I get much out of a Test E/Deca cycle? Are there enough cals in this bad boy to create a synergistic effect where I can shed fat but swell up?!
njmuscleguy
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From personal experience, I've never been able to "look" cut-up while on a test and deca cycle, even on a "cutting diet" and even while taking an AI at decent dosage. I bloat up with test alone... add deca and I'm the Michelin man! It's not until several weeks after the cycle that I lose the bloat and I see the results I like. However, I feel that you need to pack in the calories with deca, otherwise you don't gain as much. With something like tren, you can be on a calorie-deficient diet and still get some nice solid gains.
solidspine
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Cutting
Has nothing to do with gear
But I do like Deca and Test for cutting, even like it better with Fina
Cardio and diet, and you can cut.
Has nothing to do with gear
But I do like Deca and Test for cutting, even like it better with Fina
Cardio and diet, and you can cut.
Johnny_Whoops
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FYI, I'm not looking to "shred" or drop below 10% just yet. I'm at 16% now and I'd be happy around 12%. I lose too much strength below 10% and I like the look and feel of being somewhat sizable. That being said, let me clarify. I'm looking to cut from 16 to 10...not literally CUT UP.
Mac173
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That diet looks pretty good.
Not sure on the exact P/C/F and cals. though.
Was that a diet that Quad wrote up?
It looks familiar.
Since you only want to get down to around 12%, you should have no problems accomplishing that level of bf w/ those compounds.
I don't think it's necessary to do the typical prop/tren unless you're trying to get really low.
Not sure on the exact P/C/F and cals. though.
Was that a diet that Quad wrote up?
It looks familiar.
Since you only want to get down to around 12%, you should have no problems accomplishing that level of bf w/ those compounds.
I don't think it's necessary to do the typical prop/tren unless you're trying to get really low.
motorhumper
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I am about to run the same cycle with the same concerns. Like everyone else has stated....diet! Yours looks pretty good. I would add some flax seed oil to your protein shakes or some natty pnutt butter. Dont skimp on the fats. What are the amounts youll be running and what are your anti E's?
Johnny_Whoops
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planning on running 500mg of test e. and 300mg of deca for 10 weeks. I have liquidex that I may run ED for a bit for bloat and hcg for a few weeks during. and I have clomid and nolva if neccesary for PCT
Johnny_Whoops
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Well the diet started today. I WILL NOT start this cycle without zeroing in on the diet first. I'll let the diet run a few weeks to be sure I'm in the zone and strict, and then I'll stick a needle in my ass. GIDDY UP!!!
I agree with pretty much everything else said here, its a good cycle for maintaining mass while dieting, but the bloat will make it tough to see how much fat is left. I went with enth and eq this time, i am using femera to stop the bloat from the test, and the eq doesnt bloat...and you can see in the pics I just posted, bloat isnt so bad with this combo
as for diet, I go with 6 meals, but only have carbs during the first 4, baked potatoes or shredded wheat, around 50 carbs per meal, the last two are just tuna and maybe some veggies...using that I just dropped 25lbs in 5 weeks
as for diet, I go with 6 meals, but only have carbs during the first 4, baked potatoes or shredded wheat, around 50 carbs per meal, the last two are just tuna and maybe some veggies...using that I just dropped 25lbs in 5 weeks
Johnny_Whoops
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you have any before shots when you were 25 lbs. heavier for inspiration?
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