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seriously now, i want honesty not pc-ness.

would you say that the average home-grown white boy still harbors dislikes for brothers?
every southerern i've met as been racist to some degree...not kkk racist, but casually dropping the n-bomb in a non-friendly matter.
and most supported separation...is this largely true or unique to the peeps i've met?
discuss
 
I would say I harbor dislike for brothers who act like ghetto thug jackasses.
I harbor dislike to hispanics who act like mexican mafia wannabes or gang member types.
I harbor dislike towards white guys who act like inbred redneck classless punks.
 
LOL. Its not just the south that is racist and calls blacks niggers. Goto New York and Los Angeles and plenty of people use the word in a non-freindly manner

but yes, to answer your question, people in the south still hate blacks. a lot of people still do, all over the country.
 
Ludendorf said:
what's your opinion on the matter?


My opinion wouldn't mean much, since I'm not from the south and have never really been for an extended period of time. I can tell you that growing up in W. Philly gave me a feeling of distrust toward black guys that look a certain way, (gangster). It's not all black folks, just ones that dress that way. White and latino kids that put that shit on and act like that make me feel the same way, so I can't say it's any kind of racial deal.
 
superdave said:
I would say I harbor dislike for brothers who act like ghetto thug jackasses.
I harbor dislike to hispanics who act like mexican mafia wannabes or gang member types.
I harbor dislike towards white guys who act like inbred redneck classless punks.



my southern experience is this...for about 3 weeks i stayed in waynesboro, mississippi.
the dude i was with was a local who had moved to michigan a few yrs prior.
i met a wide array of peeps, from police (got busted for boozing) to old-school farmers.
and all, including the police officer (who i'll never forgot) said nigger casually.
even the sweet old ladies i met.
granted this was 13 yrs ago, it is still a clear in my head.
it was my first time really leaving the midwest
 
pabloamiera said:
LOL. Its not just the south that is racist and calls blacks niggers. Goto New York and Los Angeles and plenty of people use the word in a non-freindly manner

but yes, to answer your question, people in the south still hate blacks. a lot of people still do, all over the country.
Hello!
 
you really should get outta the UP more often, dude.


waynesboro, MS is hardly represenative of the southern part of the unites states.
 
rnch said:
you really should get outta the UP more often, dude.


waynesboro, MS is hardly represenative of the southern part of the unites states.

why would i want to leave the UP?
the south was to dirty for my likening, people like to throw trash out everywhere.
you guys could use a bottle bill
plus it's waaay to hott

so you think that my experience was not indicative of the whole region?
at least the rural parts?
remember i'm talking about home-grown folks, not peeps who moved their or their folks did.
 
As a white boy that lived up north and moved to the south I was in total culture shock. I learned that all southern whites are all racists and that blacks are nice people that have been abused by the system but my experience is almost the opposite. At every town meeting and school board meeting I have been to it amazes me how openly racist southern blacks are and they get away with it and whites just sit and suck it all up.

I treat people one on one though in my daily life - there are racists on both sides of the fence but the big thing I learned is that whites get blamed for being racist more often than they deserve. Just my 2cc's Also, I think race relations in this nation are far worse than what the media and everyone is lead to believe.
 
I'm born and raised southern. Lived in Milwaukee and Chicago a bit, but have traveled extensively.

Here's the deal. Racism among southerners is far less than racism outside the south. Sure, you get redneck peckerwoods that want to do bad things, but that happens everywhere. When you look at mainstream southerners versus mainstream new englanders, or mainstream west coasters, the south is far less racist.

Now in the south, you do have a little twist... there is a definate social pecking order, but it's based on how well you play "the game". It's all about appearing southern and gentile and well... proper. We don't have an equivalent southern term, but its UK analog would be someone said to be "a good sport." Blacks do get hit by the pecking order some, but the color of their skin isn't the issue. It's more about being wealthy and playing the southern property-owner game.

P.S. I'd explain why mainstream southerners aren't as racist, but it would get me labeled a racist and I don't want to deal with the fall-out. :) :) :)
 
I heard they like their racism down south, tracks like taladega, martinsville, charlotte...they even got race drivers named after dale earnhardt.
 
mrplunkey said:
I'm born and raised southern. Lived in Milwaukee and Chicago a bit, but have traveled extensively.

Here's the deal. Racism among southerners is far less than racism outside the south. Sure, you get redneck peckerwoods that want to do bad things, but that happens everywhere. When you look at mainstream southerners versus mainstream new englanders, or mainstream west coasters, the south is far less racist.

Now in the south, you do have a little twist... there is a definate social pecking order, but it's based on how well you play "the game". It's all about appearing southern and gentile and well... proper. We don't have an equivalent southern term, but its UK analog would be someone said to be "a good sport." Blacks do get hit by the pecking order some, but the color of their skin isn't the issue. It's more about being wealthy and playing the southern property-owner game.

P.S. I'd explain why mainstream southerners aren't as racist, but it would get me labeled a racist and I don't want to deal with the fall-out. :) :) :)

interesting...this would explain my experience, because it wasn't just the peckerwoods, it was a wide variety of peeps
 
Ludendorf said:
interesting...this would explain my experience, because it wasn't just the peckerwoods, it was a wide variety of peeps
Exactly. Once you eliminate the redneck peckerwoods with southern battle flags in their back windows, you can focus on the mainstream. As far as the rednecks, I'd be fine if we just rounded-up those guys and shot them anyway. Its the mainstream you have to focus on because those are the small business owners, the legislators, the tax payers, etc. etc. Hence, they actually move social policy whereas the peckerwoods just sit around and watch springer all day (except on the days when they are guests on the show).
 
am i southern?
 
Ludendorf said:
seriously now, i want honesty not pc-ness.

would you say that the average home-grown white boy still harbors dislikes for brothers?
every southerern i've met as been racist to some degree...not kkk racist, but casually dropping the n-bomb in a non-friendly matter.
and most supported separation...is this largely true or unique to the peeps i've met?
discuss
Ive found this from many in the mid-west area as well. Its quite displeasing. Mostly it's uneducated, ignorant, low-class whites who act like they dont know better. Fools.
 
I always thought I could identify a racist upon seeing it...

When I lived in trinidad I was the OBJECT of the racism... that is one fucked up society. they have about 49% blacks, 49% Indians... they hate each other and they ALL hate the whites (2%) (mostly canadians) because they have all the money (go figure).

Now the really f-up thing is that ALL OF THEM, hate the Venezuelans (cause we steal their wimin all the time)... I was a white Venezuelan, so I got 2wice the hate.

Now, upon moving here I discovered a new height of racism... I have a South-African coworker... I never really knew how ingrained Apartheid is in this people: For him, it's not even racism, it's simply NORMAL that black people are inferior to him. He can't even grasp the concept that they rule the Country now and blames all of South Africa's problems on the black people.

Fucking Crazy.

He is also a devout Christian to boot (you know the kind)... now how those 2 things add up, I'll leave that question to AAP
 
pintoca said:
I always thought I could identify a racist upon seeing it...

When I lived in trinidad I was the OBJECT of the racism... that is one fucked up society. they have about 49% blacks, 49% Indians... they hate each other and they ALL hate the whites (2%) (mostly canadians) because they have all the money (go figure).

Now the really f-up thing is that ALL OF THEM, hate the Venezuelans (cause we steal their wimin all the time)... I was a white Venezuelan, so I got 2wice the hate.

Now, upon moving here I discovered a new height of racism... I have a South-African coworker... I never really knew how ingrained Apartheid is in this people: For him, it's not even racism, it's simply NORMAL that black people are inferior to him. He can't even grasp the concept that they rule the Country now and blames all of South Africa's problems on the black people.

Fucking Crazy.

He is also a devout Christian to boot (you know the kind)... now how those 2 things add up, I'll leave that question to AAP
New math.
 
I grew up in Kansas City, and lived in Denver and also Wyoming when I was a kid. I live right outside of Little Rock Arkansas now and have lived in Arkansas since I started school in the fall of 2000.

Complain all you want about the bias with statistics. I dont care. I'm not trying to get my CCW to ''kill some niggers''. I'm getting it for protection against whoever tries to harm me.

My old roomate was murdered. My jeep got broken into and vandalized plus property stolen multiple times. My truck was vandalized last weekend and someone tried to steal it. my gf and best friend caught someone breaking into her apartment while she was there.

The first time my jeep got broken into, it was a black kid that was my friend from where I played college football. He was caught on around 15,000 $ of felony theft, and bargained out to join the Navy.

The next year, the starting tailback at the university was convicted of attempted murder over a pound of weed. He was black.

Want to know what color the person was who tried to break into my gf's house while she was there? Black, and it was her neighbor. If the statistics can be found, I challenge any sympathizers here to see the race makeup of all the crime in Little Rock or Pine Bluff. It should be easy, since Little Rock is on pace to shatter it's own muder record this year.

It takes dispatching most of local law enforcement, including all the non town police militias to control the ''end of the world'' step show every year in this town.

My old roomate was murdered by 2 18 year old black kids while he was working at a convenience store in 2002.

You think you're not the least bit racist? Go walk down Crump blvd in Memphis at night or anywhere in North Little Rock at night.

If you call knowing where and where not to go being racist because there happens to be tons of crime in lower class predominately minority communities... then call me a racist. I dont see myself going around any white trash neighborhoods at night either.

Any of you fucks who dont have to deal with living in the railroad/industrial part of the south dont know what you're missing :rolleyes:

When you think of people that still favor separation, I think you're thinking of all the crazy rednecks in the carolinas and that part of the country. You can see programs about their future plans for becoming soverign nations on A & E if you ever watch it.

I feel bad for blacks who are not the common stereotypical ''brotha'' from the South. Most likely, whether they like it or not they're going to get lumped together with the rest of the Americans with darker skin than me.

The thing that gets me the most, is when I go to south Arkansas to work in a mobile sleep center down there. The patients are predominately older blacks and older whites. The biggest paper mill in the US is right outside that city. More blacks that come in seem to work in the paper mill, and the whites work out in the forests bringing wood to the mill. No matter what, the subject of local violence seems to come up in conversation sometime during the night. The one thing that is true of both the whites and blacks who talk about it... they hate what they call the ''modern black culture''. I guess it's racist when Caucasians say they hate it. When blacks say they hate it it's just complaining and trying to make things better for them.

From my limited experience there, the people doing the complaining (no matter their race) are people who are hard working blue collar folks with families. These people have worked hard doing tough jobs in the dirty south their whole lives. They have retirement plans, primary and secondary health insurance plans and have raised a new generation of kid who would rather run around and get in trouble, sell drugs, and look for get rich quick schemes than to work hard and live within their means.
 
Ludendorf said:
seriously now, i want honesty not pc-ness.

would you say that the average home-grown white boy still harbors dislikes for brothers?
Yes. Call it deep engrained racism, or opening their eyes to reality. By that I mean not rasist undertones to everything, but kindof a casual distrust of other races.

every southerern i've met as been racist to some degree...not kkk racist, but casually dropping the n-bomb in a non-friendly matter.
I bet most of those people would also complain about meth head white trash living on the outskirts of a lot of southern towns, or the mexicans immigrants and border jumpers destroying their education and healthcare.
and most supported separation...is this largely true or unique to the peeps i've met?
discuss
I can count the people who think that on one hand I bet.
 
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I'd say it is more likely the other way around. In my area, and among my peers, the is not a general racism mood...I work with a lot of "brotha's" and there is usually no problems at all. When there is a problem, I don't recall a time when it was ever started by the southern white boy.
A lot of the brotha's around here have a real hatred for white people in general other that young "White girls".
I am also in school and I see it more in the younger generation than in the older group, there seems to be an all-around dislike for the white guys.

My problem is, if a brotha says something out of the way, then he is fighting against opression, If I say something out of the way, then I am a racist.
 
Goldprospector said:
I'd say it is more likely the other way around. In my area, and among my peers, the is not a general racism mood...I work with a lot of "brotha's" and there is usually no problems at all. When there is a problem, I don't recall a time when it was ever started by the southern white boy.
A lot of the brotha's around here have a real hatred for white people in general other that young "White girls".
I am also in school and I see it more in the younger generation than in the older group, there seems to be an all-around dislike for the white guys.

My problem is, if a brotha says something out of the way, then he is fighting against opression, If I say something out of the way, then I am a racist.
lol that's funny... but true round here anyways.
 
I hate the black guys that take the bombacious girls around here... wtrf is up with that??? (probably they saw the guys peeing or something)
 
I grew up in Kentucky and have lived all over. Kentucky, Indiana, Ohio, Tennessee, North Carolina, and Florida. So, I feel like I can give a broad opinion on this. Only in the most hickville backwoods places did people drop the "N bomb." Even then, it was the stupid white trash who did it, and it was highly frowned upon by the educated peeps in those towns. I never witnessed older folks using the N word, but they would call them "negros" and sort of acted like it was a matter of fact that black people were somewhat lower class than whites. I always just chalked that up to them being from a different time and just ignorant. My late grandfather was like that and would say derogatory things about blacks. God forbid he saw an asian person because to him they were all "GD Japs." WWII made him think all asian people were Japanese. :lmao:

Bottom line, it is definitely UNCOOL to be racist here in the South, except for the most ignorant and stupid of the backwoods hicks.
 
The words uttered from one's mouth should be given value only when the mouth speaking those words has value to begin with.
 
I am totally not in a position to make any judgement. The only item I would add to the discussion is that my wife and I (as an interracial couple)experienced more dirty looks and comments right out loud than I could believe while in the US. Here in Canada, the only time I have experienced anything like that were a few comments made to my wife before we married by some of her (former) ignorant friends. Whenever we have travelled in the States (not just in the south but everywhere) I have been astonished by some of the outright hostility directed our way.
 
First of all I think people scream racism at the drop of a hat all to often. I am def. not a racist. To be a racist is to think your race is superior over another race of people. I don't think I'm better than blacks at all. Or any other race for that matter. I've been living in GA all my life. There's been plenty of blacks I haven't liked along with plenty of whites as well. And no I don't like the word nigger nor do i use it. Having said that I believe they do exist. I can see how blacks would not like being called that. If and when I have used it, I was describing a worthless piece of shit IMO. Now don't take that the wrong way. I would use the same text describing a white person as well. Where I was raised there are plenty of white niggers. I have several black friends whom I really like and admire. But to me there is a difference b/n being black and being a nigger. Same goes for whites and white niggers(or white trash) whatever you want to call them. I don't like you if you are a burden on society, mean, hatefull, a thief, a free loader, and the like. But I've never once considered that I was better than anyone no matter what color. You have the same opportinity as me to do whatever you want in this great country we live in. Often too many people choose not to take advantage of it and instead look for a hand out or a free ride.
 
gonelifting said:
The words uttered from one's mouth should be given value only when the mouth speaking those words has value to begin with.

couldn't have said it better myself!

Doesn't matter where you live, or your race... if you are racist you are racist. There are both good and bad in every race. I myself have no problem with race. I don't look at color or gender when I look at anyone, I treat everyone the same UNLESS they give me reason to treat them different. Then I basically just write them off and move on.

Its not all peaches and cream down here, and YES there are people that are racist, but it goes both ways. I've also been on the recieving end of racism.

I've been in a few small county's in Miss where it was very strong, to a pt where there were signs up stating that black folks were not allowed. I think that is disgusting, but that was my opinion. These were some very small back wood places. I have never seen open racism in the town I live in... of course I am not everywhere at one time so It does happen... I am sure, but not by me.

A few of my best friends are of a different race, And I've reached out and helped plenty of people of a different race. I guess its all how you are raised.

So to answer your question... NO, not every southern white person is racist.
 
I hear lots of people say that they are not racist but that they would not date outside their own race. I guess it depends on your reasons for not dating outside of your own race, but to me, I think that most often the underlying reason really is racism.

Agree? Disagree?
 
heatherrae said:
I hear lots of people say that they are not racist but that they would not date outside their own race. I guess it depends on your reasons for not dating outside of your own race, but to me, I think that most often the underlying reason really is racism.

Agree? Disagree?


Disagree

I have never dated outside my own race, just as I wouldn't date a woman, but that does not make me against bisexuality. (so I say never... but hey... its not something I frown down upon and well, ya never know It is a pure attraction thing for me. )

I do however have plenty of friends of a different race that are openly invited into my home and treated like family. My children have friends of different races that are openly invited into my home and treated like family.
 
Ok i come from the south, as you know gambiny
IMO racism is everywhere, although i have alot of people in my family that are very racist
my grandfather wouldnt watch the cosby show because they were black.
Alot of my family make jokes about blacks
one of the most popular ones is
"do you like blacks"
"yes, i think everyone should own one"
My mom never let me say the N word, it was unlady like tho
I lived in a town that black people werent welcome, one time, a black guy went to "north river" its a small road that people go camping, fishing, etc up there, its near bald river falls, and he "somehow" fell, hit his head on a rock, and died
There were girls a few years ago, and probably now, that got pregnant by black guys just to spite their parents because their parents didnt want them to date black guys
I dont know how it is around the other areas of the US, but IMO the south is really racist
Theres a town called sweetwater, and theres a part of town that the black people live, and they call it "pickletown" i dont know if its a racial slur or what but they do
so IMO, yes racism is big in the southern states
 
heatherrae said:
I hear lots of people say that they are not racist but that they would not date outside their own race. I guess it depends on your reasons for not dating outside of your own race, but to me, I think that most often the underlying reason really is racism.

Agree? Disagree?
Again, if you look up the word racism in the dictionary, it says you think your race is superior to another race. Just b/c you would not date someone out of your race dosen't nec. mean you think you are better than them.
 
Frisky said:
couldn't have said it better myself!

Doesn't matter where you live, or your race... if you are racist you are racist. There are both good and bad in every race. I myself have no problem with race. I don't look at color or gender when I look at anyone, I treat everyone the same UNLESS they give me reason to treat them different. Then I basically just write them off and move on.

Its not all peaches and cream down here, and YES there are people that are racist, but it goes both ways. I've also been on the recieving end of racism.

I've been in a few small county's in Miss where it was very strong, to a pt where there were signs up stating that black folks were not allowed. I think that is disgusting, but that was my opinion. These were some very small back wood places. I have never seen open racism in the town I live in... of course I am not everywhere at one time so It does happen... I am sure, but not by me.

A few of my best friends are of a different race, And I've reached out and helped plenty of people of a different race. I guess its all how you are raised.

So to answer your question... NO, not every southern white person is racist.

I totally agree.......You have your white trash and you have your black trash. I deal with dumb a@@ people all day long and most are white. I know of several black families that are full of class...guess it depends allot on up bringing. I am really just sick of us always being accused of racism over everything!! How well do you think it would go over if we had a college fund, month, or tv station dedicated to whites only? There are just mixed signals I find in this.
The problem today...people are just to quick to move to judgement....not just by color of skin but by your religion, occupation, or even the house you live in. I know we have come a long way but there is so much more distance we need to travel. :worried:
IMHO
 
I have heard lots of white men say that they wouldn't date a black woman because they don't find them attractive. Do you think this is prejudiced? I think the fact that we buy into the magazines' white beauty ideal sort of does make us prejudiced. I don't know. It seems like a fine line to me.
 
Ludendorf said:
seriously now, i want honesty not pc-ness.

would you say that the average home-grown white boy still harbors dislikes for brothers?
every southerern i've met as been racist to some degree...not kkk racist, but casually dropping the n-bomb in a non-friendly matter.
and most supported separation...is this largely true or unique to the peeps i've met?
discuss


For whatever reason - yes.

I dont think its necessarily a "Southern" thing though. I have seen/heard the same kind of talk in every state I have ever been.

I can say that, based on what I have personally seen(in the South), blacks harbor just as much dislike for whites as the other way around.
 
heatherrae said:
I have heard lots of white men say that they wouldn't date a black woman because they don't find them attractive. Do you think this is prejudiced? I think the fact that we buy into the magazines' white beauty ideal sort of does make us prejudiced. I don't know. It seems like a fine line to me.


Ok... here is MY OPINION... and really just mine. You are attracted to what you are attracted to. Would you date a obese man with two teeth because you didn't want to insult him? NO! It is all about preference, and what you are attracted to. If there is no attraction, then there is no attraction.
 
YAWN to the pc-bullshit. Separationist " lets hang some niggers" stuff still exists, but I dont think by many young people. It's really irritating to associate living in the woods with being ignorant or uneducated.

Frisky, you have more compassion than me. I remember last year you posting about getting a handgun to defend yourself... I realize the situation was extreme. At the same time I doubt you imagined a hungry star crazed white person coming through your door to steal your food.
 
juiceddreadlocks said:
YAWN to the pc-bullshit. Separationist " lets hang some niggers" stuff still exists, but I dont think by many young people. It's really irritating to associate living in the woods with being ignorant or uneducated.

Frisky, you have more compassion than me. I remember last year you posting about getting a handgun to defend yourself... I realize the situation was extreme. At the same time I doubt you imagined a hungry star crazed white person coming through your door to steal your food.


well actually... if you do a search, you will see that I have a Crazy Ass neighbor that is two houses down, and its so damn much easier to put a cap in his ass than it is to pull out the sword and cut his nuts off...

LOL

Still, there were plenty of white trash that infiltrated our little community. I didn't look at color. I actually was in the supermarket one day and ran into a lady that was dislocated from katrina and we got to talking (she was african american) and she didn't have the money to pay for clothing for her kids and they had NOTHING! I went and purchased a gift card and gave it to her for her to get her kids what they needed.

Like I said there are good and there are bad in every race!
 
For whatever reason - yes.

I dont think its necessarily a "Southern" thing though. I have seen/heard the same kind of talk in every state I have ever been.

I totally agree shadow, when I tell my friends where I go to work and hang out (besides here, haha) they think that I'm crazy or that just crossing into north little rock means you'll get murdered. Most of my family lives 500 miles north of me.

I can say that, based on what I have personally seen(in the South), blacks harbor just as much dislike for whites as the other way around.

Entitlement mentality. That seems to swing with the medicaid crowd no matter what race.
 
Frisky said:
well actually... if you do a search, you will see that I have a Crazy Ass neighbor that is two houses down, and its so damn much easier to put a cap in his ass than it is to pull out the sword and cut his nuts off...

LOL

Still, there were plenty of white trash that infiltrated our little community. I didn't look at color. I actually was in the supermarket one day and ran into a lady that was dislocated from katrina and we got to talking (she was african american) and she didn't have the money to pay for clothing for her kids and they had NOTHING! I went and purchased a gift card and gave it to her for her to get her kids what they needed.

Like I said there are good and there are bad in every race!

I'm constantly disappointed by the kind of people I run into at gas stations especially. Talk about white trash. Very kind people most of the time, if they're not feinding for amphetamines. I appreciate your compassion.

Those places you were talking about in MS, where are they? I've tried to find out but nobody seems to know. Central and southern MS and AL seem to have more of the traditional southern (backwards) values (if you call them that) than anywhere I've been in Arkansas. I dont know too much about LA I admit, but dont like the influx of people from southern LA that I've seen where I live, and also where my parents live.
 
mrplunkey said:
Now in the south, you do have a little twist... there is a definate social pecking order, but it's based on how well you play "the game". It's all about appearing southern and gentile and well... proper. We don't have an equivalent southern term, but its UK analog would be someone said to be "a good sport." Blacks do get hit by the pecking order some, but the color of their skin isn't the issue. It's more about being wealthy and playing the southern property-owner game.

Very well said..

As someone raised in Fla, we aren't really considered "the south" by most people, but there are still some areas that are southern in nature outside of the big cities. (crackers) The concept of blacks or others being accepted into the white man's world is as stated above, all in the way they act in southern society.

Taking care of family, treating elders and women with due respect, working hard and taking the blows that modern life doles out all are ways to be thought of as an equal person in the southern way of life.

Sad part is that with people moving around from place to place so much, these regional mindsets are quickly disappearing and we are becoming more of a racial and social melting pot driven by media influences.
 
Frisky said:
Disagree

I have never dated outside my own race, just as I wouldn't date a woman, but that does not make me against bisexuality. (so I say never... but hey... its not something I frown down upon and well, ya never know It is a pure attraction thing for me. )

I do however have plenty of friends of a different race that are openly invited into my home and treated like family. My children have friends of different races that are openly invited into my home and treated like family.


You're dating a Mexican...

Is it just selective?
 
jnevin said:
You're dating a Mexican...

Is it just selective?


I said his mother was part mexican, his father is American. So ok.... you got me.. LOL,

You see, I don't even consider him of a different race because I accept him for who he is. Yes he is partial mexican as I am partial Indian. If you trace back to you roots most of us are not pure american.
 
Frisky said:
Ok... here is MY OPINION... and really just mine. You are attracted to what you are attracted to. Would you date a obese man with two teeth because you didn't want to insult him? NO! It is all about preference, and what you are attracted to. If there is no attraction, then there is no attraction.

I get your point, but having darker skin really is not a negative like being obese or having lost all your teeth. Point was that maybe we have been conditioned to believe black skin is less attractive? Just a theory.

I dated a guy from jamaica once and we received some really negative comments in public. you know the interesting thing was that black women got downright violent when they saw us together. :worried: We got more prejudice from black people than white people. That surprised me. Incidentally, he didn't like American black people and called them "ghetto." He had never dated a black woman in his life. Go figure.
 
heatherrae said:
Incidentally, he didn't like American black people and called them "ghetto." He had never dated a black woman in his life. Go figure.


...lol


so you dated a racist then, at least in your opinion that darker skin isnt a negative thing to you - but it was to him apparently.

LOL
 
Frisky said:
Ok... here is MY OPINION... and really just mine. You are attracted to what you are attracted to. Would you date a obese man with two teeth because you didn't want to insult him? NO! It is all about preference, and what you are attracted to. If there is no attraction, then there is no attraction.

Exactly Frisky. I know women who say they would never date a red haired guy. Hell, that doesn't mean they think red haired people are inferior, it just means they aren't attracted to guys with red hair. I know plenty of white guys that wouldn't go out with a black woman but also wouldn't date a pale skinned white woman. Again, it doesn't mean they think those women are inferior people, they just prefer white women with tans. This country has gotten so PC that we have to attempt to label the motives of every decision made. We have caused more racism by our "efforts" to eliminate it because the media labels something as racism and this causes the black community to speak out (rightfully so). Then the real racists feel the need to defend their race (unjustly). Then the media blows it out of proportion and so on and so on. It's an endless cycle. For most people racism would never cross their minds because they truly don't think someone is inferior because of their race. However, because so many things day in and day out are branded as racism, we end up having discussions like this that only bring attention to problem that would otherwise disappear if left alone. That doesn't mean I don't think there are ever cases of racism or that the problem will ever be completely eliminated but the attention the problem gets,rather than the problem itself, is why it seems like such a BIG problem.
 
Y_lifter said:
Very well said..

As someone raised in Fla, we aren't really considered "the south" by most people, but there are still some areas that are southern in nature outside of the big cities. (crackers) The concept of blacks or others being accepted into the white man's world is as stated above, all in the way they act in southern society.

Taking care of family, treating elders and women with due respect, working hard and taking the blows that modern life doles out all are ways to be thought of as an equal person in the southern way of life.

Sad part is that with people moving around from place to place so much, these regional mindsets are quickly disappearing and we are becoming more of a racial and social melting pot driven by media influences.


Heh definitely agree. 10-15 years ago in Apopka (previous rural town NW of Orlando for those unfamiliar with Central Florida), I would see crosses being built in the front yard of a house I used to live by.

Now, it's getting more diverse but there still is the "other side of the tracks" landmark where the ghetto begins.

multiculturalism will never be no matter how hard the bleeding hearts will try. Once the white majority realizes that they are in fact losing their hold on society and eventually in government, there will be major repercussions.
 
heatherrae said:
I get your point, but having darker skin really is not a negative like being obese or having lost all your teeth. Point was that maybe we have been conditioned to believe black skin is less attractive? Just a theory.

I dated a guy from jamaica once and we received some really negative comments in public. you know the interesting thing was that black women got downright violent when they saw us together. :worried: We got more prejudice from black people than white people. That surprised me. Incidentally, he didn't like American black people and called them "ghetto." He had never dated a black woman in his life. Go figure.


I think Denzel Washington is hot as hell... and Halley Berry is the most beautiful woman I've ever seen. http://www.citecinema.com/Histoire-...-Des-Oscars/Denzel Washington+Halle Berry.jpg
 
You want to see racism? Come to where I live. The only all night restaurant that is open on one side of town has fried chicken right next to the register.
 
I have never been in a white area that was what I'd call a racist area. Go into any major city in the N.E. and walk into a black part of town. You hear threats, get called names, have people shoulder check you, it's ridiculous. I actually answered to "cracker" when I was a kid until my dad heard kids calling me that. He talked to their parents the same way I'm sure mine would if I was calling their kids names. Nothing really stopped. I just don't get why this behavior is accepted. My parents raised me not to be like that, I really think that's where it starts. Other cultures should learn from the Irish. Just not the drinking part, that's not so good.
 
I live in a decent size city...Denham Springs....about 5 mins from Baton Rouge and truthfully there are allot more backwoods white trash here than anywhere I have ever been before. Before Katrina you could go into Wal-mart and not even see a person of color. Things are different now but the white trash here get to me more than anything!! When growing up I was bussed to a prodominetly black school and I was actually scared at first but found that I got along with them just fine. (that was because my dad's side of the family are very much rasist, so I grew up ignorant believing in things my dad said at first only because I didn't know better-that is until I went to school with them and found out they are no different than us) If people would look past the color of the skin they could see that you will find the same type of people in one color as they do the other......does that make sense? I know what I am trying to say but not sure it is coming across like I mean it to.
 
I've come to realize even with myself, that Racism is turning into
Socioeconomicism..

You tend to have negative first impressions of those that are outside of your
Socio or Economic circle. People that look, act or live much different than you tend to make you uncomfortable. Much like the way Race used to be with so many people and it was sort of accepted by society. You want to socialize, live by and be with people that look and act like you do regardless or their race or religion.
 
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juiceddreadlocks said:
It's really irritating to associate living in the woods with being ignorant or uneducated.

I agree brother. I was raised in what most people would call the backwoods. The closest incorporated town was 45 minutes away. I lived off of a very rural route; three miles up a one lane chip and pour road and another mile up a dirt road. I didn't go to school or work with a black person until college. Most people would assume that I am a racist because of where I was born and raised, but isn't that the equivalent of being a racist. Isn't that prejudging me (prejudice) based on where I was born and raised. From most of these threads I would also have to assume that many would consider me to be a dumb, ignorant, uneducated hick. I may be. I guess that would depend on the standards by which I am being judged.

To be fair to myself, I will give you the rest of the story. I have dated black women. I've been in love with a black woman before. My best friend is a black guy from the deep south (Alabama) who has experienced racism at its ugliest. My undergraduate degree was in Marketing and I gave up a very lucrative career to earn my masters in elementary education and teach inner city kids (of color) that no one else wanted to teach.

Most white people who aren’t racist may think I’m a dumb, ignorant, uneducated hick because of my dialect. Most white people who are racist likely call me a “nigger lover” because of the people I choose as friends. Hell, most black people may even assume I’m a racist because of my race. Making a lot of noise and pointing fingers will not do anything to change anyone’s opinion about me. All I can do is be myself and hope that’s good enough for them. If it isn’t, why should I let that effect my day? I’m not the one with the problem; they are, so they have to fix it. The same is true for the racists you all speak of. We can’t fix racism by pointing it out. That only provokes racists to defend their ignorant point of view, and you can’t argue with ignorance. :coffee:
 
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marvelous54 said:
I agree brother. I was raised in what most people would call the backwoods. The closest incorporated town was 45 minutes away. I lived off of a very rural route; three miles up a one lane chip and pour road and another mile up a dirt road. I didn't go to school or work with a black person until college. Most people would assume that I would be a racist because of where I was born and raised, but isn't that the equivalent of being a racist. Isn't that prejudging (prejudice) me based on where I was born and raised. From most of these threads I would also have to assume that many would also consider me to be a dumb, ignorant, uneducated hick. I may be. I guess that would depend on the standards by which I am being judged.

To be fair to myself, I will give you the rest of the story. I have dated black women. I've been in love with a black woman before. My best friend is a black guy from the deep south (Alabama) who has experienced racism at its ugliest. My undergraduate degree was in Marketing and I gave up a very lucrative career to earn my masters in elementary education and teach inner city kids (of color) that no one else wanted to teach.

Most white people who aren’t racist may think I’m a dumb, ignorant, uneducated hick. Most white people who are racist likely call me a “nigger lover”. Hell, most black people may even assume I’m a racist. Making a lot of noise and pointing fingers will not do anything to change anyone’s opinion about me. All I can do is be myself and hope that’s good enough for them. If it isn’t, why should I let that effect my day? I’m not the one with the problem; they are, so they have to fix it. The same is true for the racists you all speak of. We can’t fix racism by pointing it out. That only provokes racists to defend their ignorant point of view, and you can’t argue with ignorance.

Your own words do you credit and dispel any notion of ignorance :)
 
Thanks bro!
 
Your problem is the part in bold.
Labeling is WRONG and I don't care who got killed by who.
I was raised in New Orleans and I've heard of plenty of white folks commiting murders but you don't see me on here talking about all white people are bad

This is stupid dude

juiceddreadlocks said:
I grew up in Kansas City, and lived in Denver and also Wyoming when I was a kid. I live right outside of Little Rock Arkansas now and have lived in Arkansas since I started school in the fall of 2000.

Complain all you want about the bias with statistics. I dont care. I'm not trying to get my CCW to ''kill some niggers''. I'm getting it for protection against whoever tries to harm me.

My old roomate was murdered. My jeep got broken into and vandalized plus property stolen multiple times. My truck was vandalized last weekend and someone tried to steal it. my gf and best friend caught someone breaking into her apartment while she was there.

The first time my jeep got broken into, it was a black kid that was my friend from where I played college football. He was caught on around 15,000 $ of felony theft, and bargained out to join the Navy.

The next year, the starting tailback at the university was convicted of attempted murder over a pound of weed. He was black.

Want to know what color the person was who tried to break into my gf's house while she was there? Black, and it was her neighbor. If the statistics can be found, I challenge any sympathizers here to see the race makeup of all the crime in Little Rock or Pine Bluff. It should be easy, since Little Rock is on pace to shatter it's own muder record this year.

It takes dispatching most of local law enforcement, including all the non town police militias to control the ''end of the world'' step show every year in this town.

My old roomate was murdered by 2 18 year old black kids while he was working at a convenience store in 2002.

You think you're not the least bit racist? Go walk down Crump blvd in Memphis at night or anywhere in North Little Rock at night.

If you call knowing where and where not to go being racist because there happens to be tons of crime in lower class predominately minority communities... then call me a racist. I dont see myself going around any white trash neighborhoods at night either.

Any of you fucks who dont have to deal with living in the railroad/industrial part of the south dont know what you're missing :rolleyes:

When you think of people that still favor separation, I think you're thinking of all the crazy rednecks in the carolinas and that part of the country. You can see programs about their future plans for becoming soverign nations on A & E if you ever watch it.

I feel bad for blacks who are not the common stereotypical ''brotha'' from the South. Most likely, whether they like it or not they're going to get lumped together with the rest of the Americans with darker skin than me.

The thing that gets me the most, is when I go to south Arkansas to work in a mobile sleep center down there. The patients are predominately older blacks and older whites. The biggest paper mill in the US is right outside that city. More blacks that come in seem to work in the paper mill, and the whites work out in the forests bringing wood to the mill. No matter what, the subject of local violence seems to come up in conversation sometime during the night. The one thing that is true of both the whites and blacks who talk about it... they hate what they call the ''modern black culture''. I guess it's racist when Caucasians say they hate it. When blacks say they hate it it's just complaining and trying to make things better for them.

From my limited experience there, the people doing the complaining (no matter their race) are people who are hard working blue collar folks with families. These people have worked hard doing tough jobs in the dirty south their whole lives. They have retirement plans, primary and secondary health insurance plans and have raised a new generation of kid who would rather run around and get in trouble, sell drugs, and look for get rich quick schemes than to work hard and live within their means.
 
gjohnson5 said:
Your problem is the part in bold.
Labeling is WRONG and I don't care who got killed by who.
I was raised in New Orleans and I've heard of plenty of white folks commiting murders but you don't see me on here talking about all white people are bad

This is stupid dude


He didn't say anything about killing anyone.
 
I dunno Shadow..
I always hated losing a 1 on 1 BBall game to a white boy :Frlol:

Trust me , that was an extremely rare event...

The Shadow said:
For whatever reason - yes.

I dont think its necessarily a "Southern" thing though. I have seen/heard the same kind of talk in every state I have ever been.

I can say that, based on what I have personally seen(in the South), blacks harbor just as much dislike for whites as the other way around.
 
I fuggin suck at basketball. Fuggin suck, damnit.

I'm like the captain in Bad Boys. I'm deadly accurate with a baseball or football though. Can hit almost any pitch still too.
 
That another one too. I played cornerback and being burned by a white boy had a similar "bad taste" in my mouth...

I will agree that both situations are still prejudiced , but these are more humorous then anything

jnevin said:
I fuggin suck at basketball. Fuggin suck, damnit.

I'm like the captain in Bad Boys. I'm deadly accurate with a baseball or football though. Can hit almost any pitch still too.
 
heatherrae said:
IBottom line, it is definitely UNCOOL to be racist here in the South, except for the most ignorant and stupid of the backwoods hicks.


heather, i like you and think you mean well, but this was not the case in my short experience where i was at. This is the pc response that i was anticpating...i think it has to do with embarrassment and not wanting to admit that "respectable" peeps could be so negative
i heard a circut court judge and a deputy n-bomb without even thinking twice.
on second thought though, as i get older, i see a lot of the same thing up in rural michigan were i live, though not as open...so maybe it's not a southern thing at all.
ghbjohnson i'd be interested to hear more of your opinion on the matter, please don't hold back
 
gjohnson5 said:
That another one too. I played cornerback and being burned by a white boy had a similar "bad taste" in my mouth...

I will agree that both situations are still prejudiced , but these are more humorous then anything


Totally agree. But some sports, dancing (no one wants to see me do that), and other little things that make people just different in their little ways are totally different than seeing someone as a second class citizen. I think that starts at home.
 
heatherrae said:
I get your point, but having darker skin really is not a negative like being obese or having lost all your teeth. Point was that maybe we have been conditioned to believe black skin is less attractive? Just a theory.
For me it's just my concept of physical beauty. There atre many black, asian, hispanic & white women that I find attractive, just as there are many of each group that I don't.
 
Ludendorf said:
heather, i like you and think you mean well, but this was not the case in my short experience where i was at. This is the pc response that i was anticpating...i think it has to do with embarrassment and not wanting to admit that "respectable" peeps could be so negative
i heard a circut court judge and a deputy n-bomb without even thinking twice.
on second thought though, as i get older, i see a lot of the same thing up in rural michigan were i live, though not as open...so maybe it's not a southern thing at all.
ghbjohnson i'd be interested to hear more of your opinion on the matter, please don't hold back

It was my honest experience, not pc b.s. as you say. Most of the people I heard doing that were really the types that looked like they were from deliverence -- not all of them, but most. I very rarely, if ever, walked into the theater and saw your average, well adjusted person dropping the N word around. That doesn't necessarily mean that they are not prejudiced, just that they didn't do it out in public.
 
Y_lifter said:
Marvelous54 = Ron Clark

:)


Ron Clark on Juice :evil:

Just call me Ron Clark "Kent" :D
 
gjohnson5 said:
Your problem is the part in bold.
Labeling is WRONG and I don't care who got killed by who.
I was raised in New Orleans and I've heard of plenty of white folks commiting murders but you don't see me on here talking about all white people are bad

This is stupid dude
Dude quit cherrypicking stuff. Are you telling me the label is bad or that you think the stereotypical person doesnt exist? It's hard to have this discussion without talking about the southern hick with the gun rack and drum of diesel in the back of his truck. It's just as hard not to talk about ignorant minorities in high crime areas. I dont give a shit about PC'ness. S

how me that proportionatly whites commit as many murders as blacks, even pick your non-hengst (no offense hengst) site to show it. You think I'm making this shit up? I dont want to have a problem with anyone of any race by pre judging them, but it's stupid not to learn from others mistakes. You need to pick your argument, either that they werent given the same opportunities and have been oppressed or that what I'm saying is all BS because nothing like it exists because the label/stereotype doesnt exist in real life. Even if I disagree with you I still appreciate the argument and conversation.

You want to tell me more white people commit white collar crime? I'll believe you there.
 
I really SHOULD shut my mouth right now, but I WON'T ( isn't that a shocker.. LOL ) Racism is EVERYWHERE!
 
I have black friends. Like, totally friends with some black people.

I'm even black at the moment.
 
Ludendorf said:
seriously now, i want honesty not pc-ness.

would you say that the average home-grown white boy still harbors dislikes for brothers?
every southerern i've met as been racist to some degree...not kkk racist, but casually dropping the n-bomb in a non-friendly matter.
and most supported separation...is this largely true or unique to the peeps i've met?
discuss


The key word here is "still". 'Cause I think overt racism is on the rise, and race relations are deteriorating.
 
jnevin said:
I have black friends. Like, totally friends with some black people.

I'm even black at the moment.

I cant lie, my closest get high with friend is black. I was wearing chocolate colored scrubs one night when he walked in... He said ''hey you're brown like me"

That same night we argued about whether or not Paul Wall was famous outside of underground rap circles before "Grillz" or not. We also discussed why black people like fried chicken so much. He couldnt tell me that last part, but he did say that ''nigguhz'' go to churches and popeyes because KFC is too expensive. I was laughing so hard I thought I was going to choke. He has a serious, live in white girlfriend too. She's a cool girl, I dont think anything of it.

Another time I asked him why he always walked through the back door instead of coming through the front. He said ''I'm black, I always come through the back door''. Not sure if there was any hidden meaning there, but I was once again laughing so hard I fell out of my seat.
 
Color to me is *crayola* and that is all... I don't be liking me no canadians though....... tee heee.... I am kidding. I love damn canadians like a fat kid loves twinkies.
 
juiceddreadlocks said:
I cant lie, my closest get high with friend is black. I was wearing chocolate colored scrubs one night when he walked in... He said ''hey you're brown like me"

That same night we argued about whether or not Paul Wall was famous outside of underground rap circles before "Grillz" or not. We also discussed why black people like fried chicken so much. He couldnt tell me that last part, but he did say that ''nigguhz'' go to churches and popeyes because KFC is too expensive. I was laughing so hard I thought I was going to choke. He has a serious, live in white girlfriend too. She's a cool girl, I dont think anything of it.

Another time I asked him why he always walked through the back door instead of coming through the front. He said ''I'm black, I always come through the back door''. Not sure if there was any hidden meaning there, but I was once again laughing so hard I fell out of my seat.


lol

I have friends I grew up with that are like that, just have a sense of humor about differences instead of using them to put distance between each other.
 
jnevin said:
lol

I have friends I grew up with that are like that, just have a sense of humor about differences instead of using them to put distance between each other.
Oh man, I die laughing everytime he rips on country music and the way white people dress. One thing though, if you're not careful that dude will hog the blunt until there's nothing left.
 
Frisky said:
Color to me is *crayola* and that is all... I don't be liking me no canadians though....... tee heee.... I am kidding. I love damn canadians like a fat kid loves twinkies.


fatist!
 
Frisky said:
LOOOLOLOLOLOL

Frisky, being a fatist, does that mean:

A. You don't like fat people
B. You don't like fat cock
C. You only like fat people
D. You only like fat cock

Please identify any combos if more than one is true! :p
 
Don't call me a racist, Call me a Socioeconicist.. Just being honest.

I some dude walks up to me in khakis and a golf shirt and a normal haircut,
I honestly won't initially realize or care that they are black or white or hispanic.

If they strut up flashing gang signs, wearing baggy ass jeans hanging off their ass with boxers hanging out, some silk shirt, a 5 lb fake gold chain and gold grill, I probably would shy away from them at first..

Same with some dude living in a Van down by the river.

Until I got to know them. And even then, I would think they were weird..
 
chewyxrage said:
hahah I saw one where this white dude came on her and she started crying


"OMG YOU RUINED MY SITE!!!"
she's nasty for real. That was piss poor acting, bahahaha. That dude freakin blew 10 ounces in her hair
 
I haven't read this thread, but no doubt several bumpkins have gone to the "my best friend is black!" response

I don't know many southerners, but the ones I do are all women (mostly from GA and NC) and all are racist. Not racist in the sense that they won't work with black people or go around droppin 'nigger' all over the place, but they are. I've had conversations with them about it. It's ingrained in their DNA.
 
marvelous54 said:
Frisky, being a fatist, does that mean:

A. You don't like fat people
B. You don't like fat cock
C. You only like fat people
D. You only like fat cock

Please identify any combos if more than one is true! :p


What is option E?
 
KillahBee said:
I haven't read this thread, but no doubt several bumpkins have gone to the "my best friend is black!" response

I don't know many southerners, but the ones I do are all women (mostly from GA and NC) and all are racist. Not racist in the sense that they won't work with black people or go around droppin 'nigger' all over the place, but they are. I've had conversations with them about it. It's ingrained in their DNA.


So because I am not attracted to an african american I am racist? I currently am with a part mexican...

I am sincere when I say that I have a best friend that is african american. If I were to be racist would that even be possible?

BTW, the 'N' word is not allowed in my home by anyone.
 
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