Critique my mass diet

[dr_zane]

Everyone feel free to critique this, bare in mind : i'm trying a fairly low carb bulking diet, i am aware of the high dose of ALA and it has its purpose, and also to understand my post/pre workout intake read t-mag article 175. Here it is :

(WAKE UP) 7:30 am : cherries (7.5g carbs), eggs omlette 30+g protein, safflour oil, 5g creatine, 500mg vitamin c, 1g ALA (no typo) , 1 litre water

7:45 am : cherries (7.5g carbs)

8:45 am : Home made MRP drink from eggs, 20g whey, and zero carb milk, 1/2 litre water

11:30 am : Tuna in Mayonaisse, 1/2 litre water or Tex-mex turkey

1:30 pm : Minced turkey + grated cheddar or kofta (pork) + mayonaisse, 1/2 litre water

3:40 pm : Peperoni sticks + cheddar cheese

4:30 pm Workout (sipping pre-workout drink throughout workout)
28g dextrose + 14g whey hydrolysate in 1 litre water

WORKOUT ENDS 5:20 pm

5:25 pm : (post workout) : 28g dextrose + 14g whey in no-carb milk5g creatine, 5g glutamine, 1g vitamin c, 1g calcium, 1.5g ALA, 500mg L-Carnitine

5:45 pm : 2 dates blended in water

6:00 pm : 1/2 banana blended in water

7:00 pm : Chicken breast stuffed with spinach +
salad (romain lettuce, olives, 1 tomato, olive oil)

9:00 pm : 2/3 cup cottage cheese
+ 1 teaspoon cinnamon
+ 1/3 cup chicken liver
+ 2 cod liver oil tabs

9:30 pm SLEEP

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Peace Out

 

[CrimsonKing]

What are your stats? Hard to comment without them.. Also, why are you trying to bulk on a low carb diet? Doesn't make sense to me?...

 

[Warblade]

Dates and Bananas blended in water? Why don't you just eat them? What's the rationale behind this?

 

[Diesel3d]

you need way more carbs in there. here is the bulking diet im on right now...


5:40 2 scoops whey, 2 scoops of ULTRA FUEL

46 p 1 fat 54 carbs

6:00 Workout . 4scoops of ultrafuel during workout

0 p 0 fat 99 carbs

7:15 Isopure packet

50 P 0 fat 25 carbs

8:30 shake ( 1 cup oatmeal raw, 1 scoop of whey, one scoop of muscle milk. 1 1/2 cups of lactos free milk.

61 p 19 Fat 80 carbs

10:30 shake in class ( 1 cup oatmeal raw, 1 scoop of whey, one scoop of muscle milk )

48 p 15 fat 62 carbs

12:30 1 cup baked beans, a lot of beef( steaktips, or big burger homemade )

60 p 14 fat 60 carbs

4:30 1 cup whole wheat pasta, 1/2 sauce, shake( 1 scoop whey+ 1 scoop of muscle milk, 1 1/2

cups of milk)

80 p 17 fat 177 carbs


6:30 Dinner. whatever my mom makes.

~55 p ~15 fat ~40 carbs

8:30 shake 2 scoops muscle milk, 1 scoop whey

55p 18 fat 2 carbs
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Total: 455P 99 fat 599 carbs 5107 cals

 

[dr_zane]

I'm 5'11, 155lbs and 8% BF. The whole idea of my low carb bulking is based on an idea by Dr Mauro DiPasquale, but this is a modified version of it with 120g carbs/day.

I'll be working out 5x/week mon-fri, rest on sat/sun.

 

[dr_zane]

Dates and Bananas blended in water? Why don't you just eat them? What's the rationale behind this?

I could just eat them whole, but the idea for blending them is that they're supposed to serve as a second insulin spike 20 mins, and 35 mins after first ingestion of the creatine, to make the absorption of the creatine better, this idea was cited in a recent creatine study.

Peace Out

 

[Warblade]

I could just eat them whole, but the idea for blending them is that they're supposed to serve as a second insulin spike 20 mins, and 35 mins after first ingestion of the creatine, to make the absorption of the creatine better, this idea was cited in a recent creatine study.

Peace Out

Do you have a link to the study (assuming its online)? I don't see how blending it makes it any different. Is it because you can just make it go down faster? Or maybe its pre broken down?

 

[dr_zane]

Liquid food is easier to digest as the liquid passes easily through the osophagus (spelling?) then does not have to be ground up much by the stomach. The liquid is and digested much faster than solid food and its products assimilated much quicker.

 

[Bobarell]

I think I understand the use of a blender.

It makes much more sense this way becasue than the body doesn't have to use energy to break it down either. And it also helps it to absorb faster.

I so think that you need more carbs though. I am starting my bulking diet in the next couple of weeks. I am on a low carb diet right now so I am adding maybe 100-150g a week until I get to around 400g a day. Gonna take 2-3 weeks since I am <50g a day right now.

I am gonna be doing a slow bulk though since I worked so hard to get rid of the fat. Atleast through the summer and than I will start a hard bulk.

I have about the same stats as you , but I'm 5'10" 160 and about 11% BF. Very little LBM since I wasnt' working out seriously before I started dieting.

 

[CongoJoe]

you need way more carbs in there. here is the bulking diet im on right now...


5:40 2 scoops whey, 2 scoops of ULTRA FUEL

46 p 1 fat 54 carbs

6:00 Workout . 4scoops of ultrafuel during workout

0 p 0 fat 99 carbs

7:15 Isopure packet

50 P 0 fat 25 carbs

8:30 shake ( 1 cup oatmeal raw, 1 scoop of whey, one scoop of muscle milk. 1 1/2 cups of lactos free milk.

61 p 19 Fat 80 carbs

10:30 shake in class ( 1 cup oatmeal raw, 1 scoop of whey, one scoop of muscle milk )

48 p 15 fat 62 carbs

12:30 1 cup baked beans, a lot of beef( steaktips, or big burger homemade )

60 p 14 fat 60 carbs

4:30 1 cup whole wheat pasta, 1/2 sauce, shake( 1 scoop whey+ 1 scoop of muscle milk, 1 1/2

cups of milk)

80 p 17 fat 177 carbs


6:30 Dinner. whatever my mom makes.

~55 p ~15 fat ~40 carbs

8:30 shake 2 scoops muscle milk, 1 scoop whey

55p 18 fat 2 carbs
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Total: 455P 99 fat 599 carbs 5107 cals

not to flame, what the fuck with all the shakes! your telling me you take around 6 shakes a day? it looks as if your meals are based around shakes. someone must of really lied to you and told you you need that much protein from shakes. Bro, you are to never use shakes as a meal. especially when bulking!!!! you should be eating 6 or 7 solid meals a day PLUS shakes in between. out of your 455 grams of pro a day, 340 of them are from shakes. so basically you only really take in 115 grams of protein a day that you can really trust, because first of all nobody can sit there and tell me that protein shake labels tell the 100 % truth. im sorry to be a dick here, but your mass building diet is shit. you shouldnt be advising other people who need help, if all you know is what you read. do me a favor and try eating 455 grams of pro from real food and your body will pack on mass 100 times faster than these bullshit shakes your having. NEVER FORGET....SHAKES ARE SUPPLEMENTS, AND SHOULD ONLY BE USED AS THAT. NOT AS MEALS.

 

[Bobarell]

I didn't even look at what he was eating...I just looked a the totals.

That is alot of shakes. I take in about 200+g protein a day and I get about 60g from shakes, so I get atleast 1g per pound of BW from real sources.

I am not bulking right now though, but when I do up everything I shoudl be around 300g of pro, but not upping my shakes at all. It seems too expensive to me. One chicken breast has the same protein as 2 scoops of whey. The chicken might actually costs more, but I don't feel bad spending money on REAL food.

 

[Diesel3d]

not to flame, what the fuck with all the shakes! your telling me you take around 6 shakes a day? it looks as if your meals are based around shakes. someone must of really lied to you and told you you need that much protein from shakes. Bro, you are to never use shakes as a meal. especially when bulking!!!! you should be eating 6 or 7 solid meals a day PLUS shakes in between. out of your 455 grams of pro a day, 340 of them are from shakes. so basically you only really take in 115 grams of protein a day that you can really trust, because first of all nobody can sit there and tell me that protein shake labels tell the 100 % truth. im sorry to be a dick here, but your mass building diet is shit. you shouldnt be advising other people who need help, if all you know is what you read. do me a favor and try eating 455 grams of pro from real food and your body will pack on mass 100 times faster than these bullshit shakes your having. NEVER FORGET....SHAKES ARE SUPPLEMENTS, AND SHOULD ONLY BE USED AS THAT. NOT AS MEALS.

not to flame? Lol that looked like a big flame to me.

1st I run this diet while going to school full time. I need to eat in classes. I can't cook a steak in class. The shakes work well for me. I don't get stomach problems either.

2nd. protein is not as important as you think. It's overrated. If you have enough carbs (which are muscle sparing) you don't need much protein at all for growth. When bulking carbs are more important, and all my carbs are from good, real food sources besides pre and post workout which is the best time to have supplemented carbs. And if you look closely I try to add as much milk as possible to my shakes which helps make up for any false protein and slow the absorbsion. I have enough low GI carbs and slow absorbing protein in my diet for this to work. If you look at the time I work out and the timing of the type of protein, you would understand how this works.

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you shouldnt be advising other people who need help, if all you know is what you read

Who the hell do you think you are to say this? I post advice based on what works for me, and my diet has been working very well for me. At least I took the time to try and help and show what has been working for me.

You can flame me all you want about my diet, and if it sucks so much i would like you to explain to me how i have gained about 18 pounds 4 1/2 weeks into my cycle sofar. And this is my 4th cycle..

You should keep your opinions to yourself about other people. There are many ways to run diets. And there is no single one that is best for everyone. If you like more real food in a diet, then post a diet with real food for him. It’s not that hard and much more useful than a flame to someone who was just trying to help.

 

[Warblade]

not to flame? Lol that looked like a big flame to me.

Haha, that's like when someone says "No offense... but..", be prepared to be offended

 

[CongoJoe]

it kills me when people will post their diets and its all about shakes and supplements. all that shit is a big fucking joke! its all labeled 'dietary supplement' which means that its not tested. so we have no clue what were taking. now i take protein shakes also.but not as a meal.you shouldnt be telling people to take shakes in 5 of 7 meals in a day. as far as packing on 18 pounds in a month...what else are you taking that you didnt share? you bulked up because of the all the carbs that your body wasnt used to before. but i personally think that your limiting your growth by taking in all these shakes as opposed to real food. and as far you being in school....thats all an excuse. prepare food the day before and you can scarf down a sandwich faster than you can make a shake in between classes. nobody is tellilng you to go and prepare a full steak dinner between classes. i didnt mean to really bust your balls like that, but the wiser i get the more i realize how all these supplements have taken over and there is no way to really prove what they really are.

 

[Diesel3d]

Look:

First of all i was not telling anyone to do anything. I stated that I think he needed more carbs; then showed him my diet which had more carbs. Did I tell him to scrap the real food and use shakes for protein? no.

Every post on this board is based on opinion and experience, that’s the only way anyone should look at anything on this board.

I do agree with you that some powders are not reliable... Look what happened with tipple threat... but if you stick to well known reliable companies like AST, you can reduce that risk.

as far as packing on 18 pounds in a month...what else are you taking that you didnt share?

I find this rude.
Does that even matter? No. Nothing would happen to me while taking anything if MY DIET WAS NOT RIGHT. You should know this because I noticed some of your posts are about anabolics. I’m taking 500mg test 400mg deca and 1 mg liquidex ed if it makes you feel any better.

you bulked up because of the all the carbs that your body wasnt used to before

And this was not the goal or intent for bulking? Do you honestly think my body got shocked from carbs and decided to grow as a defense mechanism LOL. It’s because I had a higher steady insulin release that feeds my muscles protein all day.

Don't get me wrong, i do agree with you about real food being better. . I find it more important when cutting though... Carbs are what builds muscle for me.. I don’t need much protein. I could be limiting growth by not taking more real food but i am satisfied with my results, and that’s all the matters.

Again I agree with what you have to say about real foods, and you make some good points, but I just think you approached you opinion completely wrong about this subject. It's very controversial. I could fight you all day about shakes over food, but it would never get to a conclusion. There are a lot of body builders out there who take the shake route and get great results. I’ve dieted both ways numerous times in the past and have gotten great results both ways.

 

[CongoJoe]

just out of curiousity, what happened to tipple threat?

 

[Diesel3d]

just out of curiousity, what happened to tipple threat?

someone tested it, and the serving size only had 32 grams of protien. It should have had 60. this was a while ago and they say they fixed it, but i don't trust it.

 

[HULK12]

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