Critique My First Cycle - Help Needed

[TrapzillaFB]

Posted about a year and a half ago, questioning about a proper first cycle, and I was told to wait, so I did, and now I'm back to thinking and planning again, and wanted some input.

Been seriously working out for about 6 years now.
Age: 21, almost 22
Height:6'2"
Weight:240 as of yesterday
BF: 10%

Workouts: 5 Day Split, Chest, Back, Legs, Shoulders, and Arms
60 Minutes a day

Supplements:
Creatine, Glutamine, Multi, CLA, Fish Oils, BCAAs

Diet:

Breakfast:
1 Scoop Whey Isolate
12 Egg Whites, 3 Egg Yolks
1 Cup Oatmeal
1 Tbsp Natty PB

Meal 2:
12 oz Chicken Breast
3/4-1 cup oatmeal
High Protein Yogurt
1 Cup Green Beans/Broccoli

Meal 3:
Similar to meal 2, maybe a little lean turkey or tuna or steak or lean beef in the mix
40g whole grain carbs again
5-10 g healthy fats (almonds, PB, olive oil)

Pre-Workout:
3g Arginine AKG
200-300mg Caffeine
2.5 Scoops Whey
1 Medium Apple
1/2 Cup Oatmeal

Post-Workout:
2.5 Scoops Whey
150g Fast Carbs (Usually White Rice, sometimes Gatorade or cereal)

Meal 6:
Same as 2 &3

Meal 7: Lean Beef and Chicken
About 60g pro/12g fat

Meal 8Immediately before bed)
2 Scoops Casein
1 Tbsp Natty PB

About 400-450 g Protein, 360g Carbs, Decent Amount of Healthy Fats

Goals:

Football Player, Looking To Put On Weight, Lean Out A Little, Harden Up, and some good strength

Ideas:

75mg ED of prop 1-10
150mg EOD masteron 1-10
12.5 mg Aromasin EOD during cycle
25mg ED Aromasin PCT
nolva 20mg/day weeks 11-17
500iu/day hcg 11-13
1000iu/day Vitamin E 11-13

or

75mg ED of prop 1-12
300mg EQ twice weekly 1-10
12.5 mg Aromasin EOD during cycle
25mg ED Aromasin PCT
nolva 20mg/day weeks 13-19
500iu/day hcg 13-15
1000iu/day Vitamin E 13-15

Strength is more important than size, and i'd really like to harden up and avoid any bloat (hence the Aromasin on cycle)

Any and all feedback is appreciated

 

[RADAR]

One compound only to see how your body adapts to the sides, perferably Test

 

[RickO'Shea]

^^^^^radar is right on this one^^^^^

 

[TrapzillaFB]

So..

75mg ED of prop 1-10
12.5 mg Aromasin EOD during cycle
25mg ED Aromasin PCT
nolva 20mg/day weeks 11-17
500iu/day hcg 11-13
1000iu/day Vitamin E 11-13

Does this look right?

 

[RADAR]

If you're going to use an AI why not use long estered test like Cypionate or enanthate ,No need of using prop and feeling like a pin cushion.

 

[shibs]

also you want to run the hcg during your cycle, not as a pct.

 

[TrapzillaFB]

So If I swap the prop with test e or test c, and run Aromasin during cycle, will that prevent all the bloat generally associated with longer esters? 12.5mg or 25mg ED?

And how should I run the HCG? from the start? I heard something about starting from week 3 on?

 

[TrapzillaFB]

My focus is to harden up, and I would like to avoid any bloating if possible

 

[TrapzillaFB]

Oh and I understand the reasoning for leaving the EQ/Masteron out of the first cycle. What about a 5 week jump start of 50mg ED of Tbol?

 

[sony190]

bro for your age your a biiiiiig kid haha thats great and 240 10% is damn good anyways i would run 500 mg enanthate 10 weeks with aromasin or adex eod every thing else looks pretty good bro its nice to see you have done some research however i do agree with radar forget the prop alot of pinning for first cycle trust me haha and also your diet is a little extreme i think you could lower protein to a gram per lb of bodyweight but thats just my opinion and i would start low dose of hcg its very potent hormone good luck bro

 

[TrapzillaFB]

Ya my protein intake is really high, I have to be pretty careful cause I can put on bad weight easily, but good weight too i guess. I'm never full, always hungry, and I can just sit there and eat all day. The higher protein helps me to not down a ton of carbs, and I just enjoy chicken and beef way too much. haha. I've always bust my ass lifting and eating, and its paid off but I want to take it to the next level.
When you say low dose HCG, how many iu's?

Any thoughts on the tbol to start? The prop, would hit faster than the enanth, and I'd like to get it going from week 1.

 

[cgar1228]

So If I swap the prop with test e or test c, and run Aromasin during cycle, will that prevent all the bloat generally associated with longer esters? 12.5mg or 25mg ED?

And how should I run the HCG? from the start? I heard something about starting from week 3 on?

may wanna listen to radar on this one but i have heard/read that prop doesn't yield as much bloat b/c it has no ester. i think this is the only way to use test so it doesn't bloat. gl bro.

 

[shibs]

what he said^^

for hcg run it 3-your last test pin. at 250iu every 4 days

 

[XMAN.]

like radar said better stick to test e or cyp at 500mg/w for 10 weeks , HCG start week 2 or 3 at 500iu/w (250iu X 2/w)and stop it when cycle end (the end of ur last week) , good to run aromasin but nobody can tell u the exact amount u'll have to find it urself everybody is different u may bloat a lot on test at that dose and u may not even feel a thing or retain any water, always start with the minimum dose which is 12.5mg twice a week and go from there, u'll notice it week by week after the first month, as for PCT do aromasin at 25mg/ed the first week then 12.5mg /ed for the last 3 weeks a total of 4 weeks , u may also decrease it to 12.5mg/eod by week 3 or 4 if u feel too dry in ur joints, it's an individual thing, as for nolva no need for that long run it with Aromasin for 4 weeks at 20mg/ed it's enough.

 

[RADAR]

i don't understand why after i have said what to do ,you turn around and do the opposite by adding additional compounds. adding hormones to your body is serious business ,you want to go and mess yourself up then be my guest!

 

[XMAN.]

yeah bro loose the Tbol, it's ur first experience just learn how u react to test, and go from there, how're u gona know ur true results, when u mix compounds at the beginning ur not going to know what did what , in good and bad (sides).

 

[TrapzillaFB]

i don't understand why after i have said what to do ,you turn around and do the opposite by adding additional compounds. adding hormones to your body is serious business ,you want to go and mess yourself up then be my guest!

Trust me man, I'm all ears as to your advice. I came here for help and it would be ignorant to not listen. I suggested the tbol, just because I wasn't sure if you meant no additional compounds at all, or just don't add another injectable like masteron or EQ, since i know tbol is more mild.

Another question, is there a reason to choose test e or test c over test prop other than the injection frequency? I have worked at a Doc's office and have done my own b12 injects and synthetic joint fluid into my knees, and I don't mind pinning more frequently. I already have the prop and can get test e, but I'd like to just keep what I have since I know what I have is real gear. But if there is another reason, I can make the switch.

 

[XMAN.]

if u already have the prop then do it but u need to inject it at least eod if not ed which is the optimal way.

 

[TrapzillaFB]

I was planning on 75mg ED so 525mg/week

 

[XMAN.]

I was planning on 75mg ED so 525mg/week

ok go for it, just rotate sites injection, glutes , quads, delts, pecs.... ppl go for long esters just to minimize shot frequency and avoid pain from injections and scarring cuz some r really prone to scares u may be fine with it. good luck.

 

[RADAR]

If you have it do it,

 

[Para_Shoot]

Man, ED injections with prop is a load of crap! You can go EOD and be just fine! Were NOT talking about test acetate, or even test suspension here. It's PROPIONATE.

 

[TrapzillaFB]

Is 25mg/day of Aromasin overkill in order to prevent bloat? I'm just paranoid about retaining water

 

[cgar1228]

Is 25mg/day of Aromasin overkill in order to prevent bloat? I'm just paranoid about retaining water

Yes that would be called over kill. 12.5 per day should be max unless you start seeing signs of gyno.... Others can chime in but this is what I've heard.

 

[Deltoid_87]

I don't see the harm in running a little Mast or Proviron with Test first cycle!!! It will greatly improve the quality of ur gains and keep u nice and dry. For me a good dose of Mast eliminates bloat. U won't regret it. If u wanna play it safe run it for the last 5 weeks only.

Prop 150mg eod 1 -10
Mast 100mg eod 5 - 10
Aromasin 12.5mg eod
Hcg 500iu 5 - 10

U'll be lovin this Bro!

 

[XMAN.]

ancillaries are not M&M's or tic tacs , u always start with the lowest recommended dose , for most ppl at ur dosage can get enough with 12.5mg arom /e3d or eod with no sides.

 

[TrapzillaFB]

Thanks for all the help, starting Monday. Ordered some acnetame and have a topical acne wash as well. Thanks again guys

 

[XMAN.]

good luck