creatine while on juice

[pumping_iron_uk]

im gonna start my second cycle soon

week 1-4:1000mg testoviron/250mg dbol per week
week 5-8:1000mg test per week

ive got some creatine left over from my 'off' period and i was just wondering your opinion on taking cratine while on juice. is it worth it?? i know it'll make my face bloat up like balloon......but if it results in extra size i dont care. what u guys think??

 

[Digital Ronin]

I would continue to use creatine... I never go off it actually...

 

[Nimrod25]

Save creatine for post cycle, u dont need the extra kidney stress and water retention during a cycle.

 

[jrodssb]

I agree with nimrod... creatine it's only going to cause more water retention. I'm also reluctant to stop creatine usage when I start a cycle. I think it's mental bc u r always taking it. Once in a while I take a 1/4 of a teaspoon, when I feel I over train...

 

[CONTRACTION]

Creatine makes it possible for your muscles to hold more water, not water retention under your skin. It's not like edema which is caused by steroid usage (the bloated water retention look).

I've read a few posts and there was one theory where it was stated that taking creatine while on a cycle will increase the uptake. Dont know if it's true however.

 

[Fathead]

I agree with Nimrod, creatine is more useful for post cycle, think from an economical standpoint, it makes more sense to use it post. It does cause added stress on the kidneys, and if you cycle on and off, your body will be more receptive to its positive attributes. Change is good for your muscle growth, workout, diet, supplement, gear, rest, etc.
FYI, take it or leave it, just do the longing dose for 5 days, take three days off, and load again

 

[HUCKLEBERRY FINNaplex]

Hey fellas.Just dug up an interesting read out of one of my old Ironman mags.The following excerpts are providided by the notorious Michael Gundill(a.k.a. Dharkam)....Although creatine does have testosterone-like effects,it doesn't act as a steroid hormone.Instead,it's a mediator of some of the androgens' anabolic effects.In fact,steroid users get far more out of their cycles if they take in massive amounts of creatine along with the drugs.Androgens are among the hormones that can force the entry of creatine into muscle cells.While there's a clear relationship between muscle strength gains and increases in muscle creatine stores,unfortunately,the relationship is not as obvious when it comes to increases in muscle mass.Animal-based studies have shown that the muscles of untrained rats take up as much creatine as the muscles of trained rats,but the ANABOLIC effects of creatine are only obvious in trained rats.Therefore,training increases the muscles sensitivity to the anabolic actions of creatine.(Although it's not related to this article,the study also demonstrated that the anabolic effects of creatine are DIRECT,and not mediated by waterretention.In fact,in the 1970s American and Russian studies pointed out a DIRECT anabolic effect of creatine on muscle cells.)Testosterone increases the muscles'sensitivity to the anabolic properties of creatine in addition to enhancing the creatine buildup in muscle fibers.It's also obvious that part of the strength gains people experience while on steroids are mediated by an increase in muscle creatine stores.An interesting discovery A/S users have made is that they should dramatically increase their creatine intake during a cycle to boost the potency of the steroids.Thanks to creatine,people can build more muscle mass with fewer drugs.Anecdotal evidence from A/S users points out that it takes at least 10-15 grams(maintenance)of creatine a day to visibly enhance the the anabolic potency of a steroid stack.There are probably good reasons for the increased creatine requirement when androgen levels are high.As mentioned above,steroids increase the muscle uptake of creatine,and if the muscles are ready to accept more creatine,why not give it to them?I also think that even though steroids enhance creatine synthesis,they may increase creatine degradation as well-so more creatine is used up every day.That could be due to an increase in muscle creatine turnover and also the fact that an elevated muscle protein synthesis rate will likely consume creatine at a faster rate.Other reasons for a higher creatine requirement may be indirect.Because the muscles of drug users are stronger and receive more training,they may waste greater amounts of creatine during training.Once inside the muscle,creatine provides not only an anabolic effect,but also a rapidly mobilized source of fuel.Muscle protein synthesis is a process that wastes great amounts of energy.Anabolism is an ATP-dependent process,which means that it's essential for protein synthesis.If the cellular level of ATP is reduced even a little,IT STOPS ANABOLISM.So even if you can increase the testosterone content of your muscles,nothing will happen if your ATP level is low.Creatine supports anabolism by providing energy to the muscle...Well fellas,it looks like it might be a good idea to stock up on creatine when you're grabbing your protein powder for those bulking cycles,hehheh....Huck


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[MikeyLikesJuice]

hey Huckleberry, thanks for that post, it's great!

 

[THE BOUNCER]

GOOD POST

 

[Riker29]

I wonder though .....

How much DOES creatine really effect the ability to get ripped or shredded? Meaning - how much does it really cause water retenetion under the skin.

I am in a cutting phase of my cycle, and am wondering if I should stop the creatine. I wonder if that would make me more vascular and bring out more striations?

Any thoughts?

 

[MikeyLikesJuice]

i would still use the creatine, even on a cycle to get ripped, you would get bigger from what I got out of that post, and remember, once you go off creatine, you pretty much lose the water you put on from that. So once the water disappears, you will still be ripped, but with more mass, just my opinion, stick around and see what other people think, huckleberry has me pumped up now with taking creatine on the cycle, lol.

 

[Stew Meat]

I have always been an advocate of using creatine with a cycle, but after reading that article, I see just the opposite. IF creatine synthesis is increased by steroids, there is no point in supplementing your diet with more... save it for post cycle...

Thats the way I read it.



-Stew

 

[HUCKLEBERRY FINNaplex]

Stew-It actually states that degredation is also enhanced from an increase in protein sythesis,as well as the athlete being able to lift heavier poundages,which in turn depletes ATP further.All in all,I think it can only help augment the increased synthesis.If you can spare the extra change grab it,if not,go with an extra serving of good ole whey protein isolate

 

[tyguy]

i haven't read the posts above here, so forgive me if it has been mentioned, but creatine and anavar is supposed to be an excellant combo because anave pushes creatine in the muscle and with the extra creatine you have the benefit!

 

[pumping_iron_uk]

thanx guys. i think il go with the creatine for the first four weeks of my cycle. i'l fill u in on the gains.

peace!!

special thanx to Huck...good post!!