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*Creatine users: do you believe in the loading stage?*

*Creatine users: Do you believe in the loading stage?*

  • Yes, I do, sir.

    Votes: 47 34.8%

  • No, I do not, sir.

    Votes: 87 64.4%
  • Total voters
    135
I work out 3 times a week(MWF). I take creatine before and after my workout. Am I suppose to take creatine on non workout days?
 
I polled that "I do load, sir" but I'm not real sure if I really believe that or not...the saturation concept makes (some) sense, but so does the Bill Phillips theory...

I cycled once about 10 years ago (w/ loading)(and using OJ, which was a hip theory back then also)....currently, I've just bought some EAS Simply Creatine and am getting ready to 'try' it again....will probably do 10 grams the first week and back off to 5 after that (I'm 250lbs so I'll probably need it..) also, month on, month off....

Will probably skip the extra dextrose, but plan on taking it with my post shakes and or w/grape juice.
 
unikron said:
loading was a scam by bill philips to get everyone to buy more phosphagen/creatine
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word... take the usual dose every day.
 
The idea of loading is to get saturated as quickly as possible. if you don't mind waiting the time to get fully saturated without the loading phase then NO... loading phase is not needed. BUT.. .some of us cycle creatine use a strict cycle plan. 4-6 weeks tops and then a break. So I like to get fully saturated within the first 4 to 5 days. And I can see the difference in my workouts doing a loading phase. I also load with a better creatine formula than my maintanance. I load with Creatine Fizz Fuel. Effervescent gets into my system really fast. Than i maintain with pure creatine powder mixed into my protein shakes or with grapefruit juice. That system works the absolute best for me anyway. wouldn't do it any other way.

Scaggs
 
Scaggs said:
The idea of loading is to get saturated as quickly as possible. if you don't mind waiting the time to get fully saturated without the loading phase then NO... loading phase is not needed. BUT.. .some of us cycle creatine use a strict cycle plan. 4-6 weeks tops and then a break. So I like to get fully saturated within the first 4 to 5 days. And I can see the difference in my workouts doing a loading phase. I also load with a better creatine formula than my maintanance. I load with Creatine Fizz Fuel. Effervescent gets into my system really fast. Than i maintain with pure creatine powder mixed into my protein shakes or with grapefruit juice. That system works the absolute best for me anyway. wouldn't do it any other way.

Scaggs
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You look like your pretty cut , why the grapefruit juice , instead of orange, apple , or grape?
 
Well i like grapefruit juice and there is something about grapefruit juice that makes your body absorb more of anything you put in the stomach. If you take an aspirin pill with grape juice and one with grapefruit juice, the day you took it with grapefruit will show more of the aspirin in your system then the day you took it with the grapejuice. Sometimes Doctors will even prescripe med's and tell you DONT take it with grapefruit juice becuase it will be to strong of a dose or tell you to take it with the juice. Its actually a know fact.

Scaggs
 
hey Scaggs, i just went to GNC and bought those effervescent packets of creatine. How do you think they will work? the guy says it doesn't require loading. each pack is pretty low carbed, like 12g, so not too shabby.

Also, scaggs, you do look cut. damn man....do u think that for my pre and post workout meals that drinking grapefruit juice would be better for the protein absorption? Or do u only take grapefruit with creatine?

Thanx =)

-SuperShick
 
No need to load. As was stated, the "loading phase" was just a scam to get you to buy more. If you took notice when creatine was becoming popular, the container size was just slightly more than you needed to complete the "front load". I think most people fell into that one. I've tried both ways and NEVER noticed any difference.
 
Scaggs said:
Well i like grapefruit juice and there is something about grapefruit juice that makes your body absorb more of anything you put in the stomach. If you take an aspirin pill with grape juice and one with grapefruit juice, the day you took it with grapefruit will show more of the aspirin in your system then the day you took it with the grapejuice. Sometimes Doctors will even prescripe med's and tell you DONT take it with grapefruit juice becuase it will be to strong of a dose or tell you to take it with the juice. Its actually a know fact.

Scaggs
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Yes , I see this
http://www.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/entrez/...ve&db=pubmed&dopt=Abstract&list_uids=14679360
Then again computer heads always do thier research :-)
 
SuperShick said:
hey Scaggs, i just went to GNC and bought those effervescent packets of creatine. How do you think they will work? the guy says it doesn't require loading. each pack is pretty low carbed, like 12g, so not too shabby.

Also, scaggs, you do look cut. damn man....do u think that for my pre and post workout meals that drinking grapefruit juice would be better for the protein absorption? Or do u only take grapefruit with creatine?

Thanx =)

-SuperShick
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Well i've never taken protein with Grapefruit juice. It would prally taste pretty bad but it may help the protein absorbtion. I don't know. I would think it would help. I know it works with creatine and drugs. The effervescent creatine I think are the best and you should be fine with just that alone as long as they dont require you to mix into a juice. If they do, put them in Grapefruit juice.

Scaggs
 
to me, creatine is creatine, what do u guys think? there's not ONE brand that is far more superior than the other tho right?

BTW, thanx scaggs for the answer =) but what i mean when i take it with protein is like mix milk and protein together, down that and then drink a cup of grapefruit to get the proper carbs in after workout. you think that would help with absorption. I would NEVER take vanilla protein and mix it with grapefruit juice. BLECH!

-SuperShick
 
Scaggs said:
Well i've never taken protein with Grapefruit juice. It would prally taste pretty bad but it may help the protein absorbtion. I don't know. I would think it would help. I know it works with creatine and drugs. The effervescent creatine I think are the best and you should be fine with just that alone as long as they dont require you to mix into a juice. If they do, put them in Grapefruit juice.

Scaggs
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For a while I was using this product from PBL effervescent creating plus.
1. 5 grams Creating Monohydrage
2. 5 gram glutamine
3. 1 gram taurine
4. 100mg of ALA
5. Sodium , potassium and magnesium bicarbonates (which are used to reduce gas in the stomach)

it last longer than 30 servings also
http://www.performancebiolabs.com/product.asp?sku_base=11007

But I never put it in grapefruit juice....
 
gjohnson5 said:
For a while I was using this product from PBL effervescent creating plus.
1. 5 grams Creating Monohydrage
2. 5 gram glutamine
3. 1 gram taurine
4. 100mg of ALA
5. Sodium , potassium and magnesium bicarbonates (which are used to reduce gas in the stomach)


But I never put it in grapefruit juice....
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I would just like to point out why this might not work so well. 5 grams of creatine, thats good for one dose, this is the max amount your body can absorb in one sitting, the rest you piss out. 5 grams of glutamine... this is where it gets bad. Glutamine is an amino acid, but so is creatine ( YES ). So your body is trying to absorb both of them at the same time, this is a bad thing. Not only will you piss the excess out, but there is a possibility that neither is absorbed. 1 gram of taurine, I havent really read much about its effects, but its good to have in there. Also, its kind of a cat steroid (So ive heard). 100 MG of ALA(alpha lipoic acid)... this is bad in a powder form. It degrades in air, water, light, whatever, it must be in a capsule. (I said this in a previous post). Also the fact there are only 100 MG of it, you should really be taking it in 200 MG doses, three times a day, after you eat. The rest, are as you say. Except sodium, it also ( I BELIEVE ) acts as a transporter.
 
philipusmcr said:
I would just like to point out why this might not work so well. 5 grams of creatine, thats good for one dose, this is the max amount your body can absorb in one sitting, the rest you piss out. 5 grams of glutamine... this is where it gets bad. Glutamine is an amino acid, but so is creatine ( YES ).
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lets discuss your point here. I WAS under the understanding the creatine and glutamine use the same cell receptor. Glutamine has many functions in the body with the exception of being the number one amino acid in your muscle. The metabolic pathway of creatine is listed below

http://web.indstate.edu/thcme/mwking/aminoacidderivatives.html

Glutamine isn't an amino acid derivative , it a real amino. As the pathway explain , create has to be converted to creatine phosphate before muscles can use it as an energy store. Basically the idea that creatine is am amino acid is an over simplification. But both are used in cell volumizing activity, true. The question that I have is , where do you get the 5 gram number from ? What that would mean is that creating loading is total BS.
 
philipusmcr said:
I would just like to point out why this might not work so well. 5 grams of creatine, thats good for one dose, this is the max amount your body can absorb in one sitting, the rest you piss out. .
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Yes, it is the max your body can absorb in one sitting, not an entire day.
 
Check out :
http://www.ast-ss.com/dev/qa_search/full_text.asp?ID=332
The subject of taking creatine and glutamine at one time (within the same 20 minutes)seems to be controversial. It seems to me both depend on sodium as a transporter. So for now, before there is more evidence that they dont mess with each others absorbsion, I will take them half an hour apart.

and sorry to the original poster for going off on a tangeant.
 
Scaggs said:
Well i've never taken protein with Grapefruit juice. It would prally taste pretty bad but it may help the protein absorbtion. I don't know. I would think it would help. I know it works with creatine and drugs. The effervescent creatine I think are the best and you should be fine with just that alone as long as they dont require you to mix into a juice. If they do, put them in Grapefruit juice.

Scaggs
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Tastes pretty good with vanilla. If you like grapefruit juice, that is.
 
Scaggs said:
Well i like grapefruit juice and there is something about grapefruit juice that makes your body absorb more of anything you put in the stomach. If you take an aspirin pill with grape juice and one with grapefruit juice, the day you took it with grapefruit will show more of the aspirin in your system then the day you took it with the grapejuice. Sometimes Doctors will even prescripe med's and tell you DONT take it with grapefruit juice becuase it will be to strong of a dose or tell you to take it with the juice. Its actually a know fact.

Scaggs
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1) Grapefruit juice stimulates the pancreas to produce acid buffering enzymes.

2) Effervescent creatine, creatine serum and all other magic creatine potions are B.S. weather you like to believe it or not. Pure odorless, tasteless creatine monohydrate works best. It's what/how much/how/when you take with it that counts.

3) Loading stages are a personal thing. I personally load 6 days with a 50/50 mix of grape and grapefruit juice + Chromium Picolatine and R-ALA and cycle for 8 weeks - long-term creatine effects have not yet been established.
 
I've done the loading stage thing, and you see faster results, you gain size and your muscles look fuller, but its temporary, since its only water weight. Anyway I've tried both, and I've decided that the loading stage is a waste of money, and could put you at greater risk for health problems. I know that creatine hasn't been proven to be harmful yet, but we don't know that its 100 % safe yet either. I take creatine post workout, but I no longer take it multiple times a day.
 
Hey there first time at the boards and I didn't want to start a new thread cause i know how much that annoys people asking the same questions over and over. I did a little reading for about 2 hours trying to find out the exact info on creatine but I'm just a little confused with all the shit out there.

I just bought GNC creatine monohydrate 300g off my friend for $10 bux. He got it for his birthday and he didn't want it.

So my question is this. Should i be taking 10g of creatine per day with no loading stage? 5 grams in the morning when i wake up and 5 grams before my workout?

Thanks in Advance!
 
Thwere's nothing to back up creatine loading benefits

just use 5g / day

OK, you can also "load creatine" with 25mg of dianabol for better results ;)
 
Sperkie said:
Hey there first time at the boards and I didn't want to start a new thread cause i know how much that annoys people asking the same questions over and over. I did a little reading for about 2 hours trying to find out the exact info on creatine but I'm just a little confused with all the shit out there.

I just bought GNC creatine monohydrate 300g off my friend for $10 bux. He got it for his birthday and he didn't want it.

So my question is this. Should i be taking 10g of creatine per day with no loading stage? 5 grams in the morning when i wake up and 5 grams before my workout?

Thanks in Advance!
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Depending on what time you do your workout is if you take it before your workout...
People say take it in the morning because you have an empty stomach, but if you workout in the pm there isn't really a point.
You should also take creatine before and after your workout. Wait 30mins to 1hour after your creatine before you workout. Then straight after your workout. 5grams every dose.
 
I never loaded Creatine and always had great results for strength and endurance at the gym. The only thing I haven't tried is to use it post-workout. I read where one guy stated that Glutamine cancels Creatine or vice versa when taken simultaneously. This is interesting since I am taking a supplement that includes a measured serving of both. Further light needs to be shed on this topic...

XL
 
Just want to mention, some creatine can be crap. When you start getting gas out the ass that is so wretched that you start clearing rooms, guess what... your not taking in good creatine or your body can't absorb it. That is when you'll need to try an alternate absorbtion route. Remember people, everybody is different. Method A - E may not work for you... you may need to explore methods F - J

Scaggs
 
it is true that you have to research what works best for you... But that should not be a replacement for quality research on the part of the user. Trial and error can atleast be lessened by looking at quality research such as pubmed. Also Anafit has shown they produce quality products so I would start there

The Man reincarneted as a black dude :-)
 
I use creatine monohydrate and load at 20g per day for 5 days then down to 5g per day for four weeks and then stop. Some here have said that's a waste of creatine and they can just run 10g per day for 30 days and be saturated. A quick calculation:

Not loading: 30 x 10 = 300g
With loading: 20 x 5 + 5 x 25 = 100 + 125 = 225g

Over 30 days, loading is cheaper than running 10g per day.

Anthrax mentions running 5g per day throughout. When do you feel it's making a difference to your workouts, assuming no Dbol? :) I find that it's kicking in at about the end of my loading phase.
 
well ive tried both ways

my firts time i was on creatine i took 5 grams a day and seem to do nothin even after 8 weeks

next cycle i loaded up and it seem to work well

now i just use CEE works better than both use 2 gram before workout and 2 gram after and also use 4 gram on non workout days split up into 2 doses
 
blut wump said:
I use creatine monohydrate and load at 20g per day for 5 days then down to 5g per day for four weeks and then stop. Some here have said that's a waste of creatine and they can just run 10g per day for 30 days and be saturated. A quick calculation:

Not loading: 30 x 10 = 300g
With loading: 20 x 5 + 5 x 25 = 100 + 125 = 225g

Over 30 days, loading is cheaper than running 10g per day.

Anthrax mentions running 5g per day throughout. When do you feel it's making a difference to your workouts, assuming no Dbol? :) I find that it's kicking in at about the end of my loading phase.
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Nice post....you took the proverbial "words right out of my mouth!"
 
Yes, I usually load 25g for 5 days then do a 3 week 5g ed maintenance phase and on my last cycle I gained 15lbs in less than 2 weeks, ofcourse I lost about 10 of it due to it being just water but the strength was through the roof as well!
 
I have noticed absolutely ZERO difference from loading to not loading creatine. I also have noticed absolutely ZERO difference in using a cranberry juice or a sports drink when taking creatine. IMO, this is just bunk, and a way for the company to make more money off of you. Within two weeks of using creatine, not loading btw, I have all of the strength and weight gain I will receive from creatine. When I was a newb to lifting, I got that muscletech crap, and loaded creatine, used juice. Now I just use a little once a day at night with water and it works EXACTLY the same.
 
Loading is a proven thing. It doesn't give added benefits, it just saturates the muscles quicker. The whole idea is to not have to wait a month before complete saturation. If you up the doses it will theoretically saturate the muscles quicker. It all depends on how quickly you want to see the results. Also, what your natural creatine stores are. That is why there is so much grey area when it comes to this. Everyone experiences things differently.

Look up creatine studies at pubmed. I believe there is an article that shows exactly that.
 
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